Why do Americans hate Canadians so much ..?????? - GoFuckYourself.com

H.I.G · 11-18-2004, 05:14 AM

Simple question, which I'll never figure out

Why do Americans hate Canadians so much ..??????

xclusive · 11-18-2004, 05:15 AM

I don't hate canadians i'll make fun of them and as I make fun of myself and other americans if the joke calls for it but I only hate those who are a threat to my family...

kmanrox · 11-18-2004, 05:17 AM

because Americans hate everyone, duhh!

fr33s3x · 11-18-2004, 05:17 AM

I love Canadians

Fake Nick · 11-18-2004, 05:18 AM

lol, they dont hate canadians, it is just a friendly neigbourly making fun of each other thing

BRISK · 11-18-2004, 05:20 AM

The generalizations people make on GFY are enough to make me want to puke and die.

LiveDose · 11-18-2004, 05:21 AM

I always thought it was the other way around...

Paul Markham · 11-18-2004, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
The generalizations people make on GFY are enough to make me want to puke and die.

I think puke and die is a bit over the top, but it does make you laugh sometimes at the level of posts.

Sheri Santiago · 11-18-2004, 06:35 AM

I love canadians too.

JFK · 11-18-2004, 06:35 AM

We Canadians Dont hate Americans.... I think Every Canadian should own one

dennisthemenace · 11-18-2004, 06:44 AM

I've never had a problem with a place or person because of the place they're from.

Evil Chris · 11-18-2004, 06:47 AM

It's cause we have better smokes and beer.

11-18-2004, 06:54 AM

I thought everyone knew the answer to this....it's because of Celine Dion.

JFK · 11-18-2004, 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by evildick
I thought everyone knew the answer to this....it's because of Celine Dion.

OH GOD...you just had to bring her up .........didnt you

Anthony · 11-18-2004, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by LiveDose
I always thought it was the other way around...

It is the other way around.

When my girlfriend who is canadian meets ppl here in the US, and they find out, they talk about how beautiful it is up there.

When people in Canada found out I was american, I would get hit with:

1. Why do Americans think we live in an igloos, or have no running water.

2. Your country sucks.

3. Americans are assholes, but you are nice.

Those were the top 3.

mynetporn · 11-18-2004, 07:11 AM

Canadians don't feel bad.
As Americans it is our nature to dislike people from other countries. We have a feeling of absolute power and that everyone should look up to us. We are lazy and have huge egos. We try to change everyone to think and act the way we do. If the average American got their wish that the rest of the world was like them they would then see how much of an ass they really are.

As for myself I travel the world and get along with most I meet.
If you want to kill me because I am American then I will not like you.

When I lived in Michigan I would be in Canada every other weekend. Nice country but a little too cold for my taste in the winter.

Have a great day eh.

The above post does not reflect the opinion of all Americans. This is only the opinion of this individual.

ronaldo · 11-18-2004, 07:19 AM

They see us enjoying our democracy and freedom and they can't stand us for it.

Rochard · 11-18-2004, 07:20 AM

Personally I love all Canadians.

Except for Evil Chris, but only because he's married to Fun Brunette. That bastard.

webmaster x · 11-18-2004, 07:39 AM

nope. i love canadian people.

Spunky · 11-18-2004, 07:42 AM

Doesn't matter to me either way how they feel about Canadians,but you yanks stay away from my walrus meat

notjoe · 11-18-2004, 07:45 AM

We're too liberal, maybe if we swung more to the right it would be a different story

TheLegacy · 11-18-2004, 07:57 AM

because they still cant find us on the map

actually I think its a matter that right now we are way too liberal for their tastes - we allow gay marriage, health care and are loved by the world. History has always shown that when we do something that is against what americans want, they get royally pissed like somehow they own us.

sad thing is that many consider us another state of america when in fact, we have so much more than they do and before anyone jumps all over this.. simply look at a few examples

- lumber
- water (lakes and BC)
- uranium
- diamonds
- drugs

to name just a few things that the government of USA is wanting from us and we arent handing it over.

Most americans have no clue much less care about what happens in canada or any other country - even the ones they are occupying - some actually believe the world owes them a favor.

Canadians on the whole love their american brothers, but on the whole see them as spoiled bully's. I even remember how pissed off some were when someone took a picture of australia and put it over america to show its as large as they were, and the TV station got so many angry calls?? God, wait until people put Canada over the USA and cover it from the sun

HowlingWulf · 11-18-2004, 08:19 AM

I like Canadians and can't think of anything bad to say about them... everyone I've met there have been nice unlike here....

Dead13 · 11-18-2004, 08:37 AM

Its because you all act like your shit doesn't stink and we get sick hearing it. You spend 100% of the time complaining about American's problems while you turn a blind eye on your own.

I can't tell you have many times since I have lived here that I have gotten into this argument.

Canadian - America sucks because, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla... But some of you are really nice. And in World War II...

Me - Ok but, in Canada you bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

Canadian - Its not true you stupid liar, we have no problems, everything in Canada is perfect, we live in utopia, and every one loves Canadians and hates Americans.

Me - Your really that blinded by our own government?

Canadian - MARRY HAD A LITTLE LAMB, LITTLE LAMB, LITTLE LAMB - NOT LISTENING - SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP!

I'm not trying to slam Canada here, its a great place with great people, but you have your own problems just like any other country and any other place, so stop bashing us for our problems and get on with fixing your own and we will all get along like one big happy family.

Dead13 · 11-18-2004, 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by Anthony

1. Why do Americans think we live in an igloos, or have no running water.

2. Your country sucks.

3. Americans are assholes, but you are nice.

DITTO!

Funny how all Americans are assholes except for the ones right in front of them.

Anthony · 11-18-2004, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheLegacy
because they still cant find us on the map

actually I think its a matter that right now we are way too liberal for their tastes - we allow gay marriage, health care and are loved by the world. History has always shown that when we do something that is against what americans want, they get royally pissed like somehow they own us.

sad thing is that many consider us another state of america when in fact, we have so much more than they do and before anyone jumps all over this.. simply look at a few examples

- lumber
- water (lakes and BC)
- uranium
- diamonds
- drugs

to name just a few things that the government of USA is wanting from us and we arent handing it over.

Most americans have no clue much less care about what happens in canada or any other country - even the ones they are occupying - some actually believe the world owes them a favor.

Canadians on the whole love their american brothers, but on the whole see them as spoiled bully's. I even remember how pissed off some were when someone took a picture of australia and put it over america to show its as large as they were, and the TV station got so many angry calls?? God, wait until people put Canada over the USA and cover it from the sun

This a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Ask me about Canada.

My answer... My girlfriend is from Vancouver.

I think I speak for some of us when I say, Canada is a beautiful place, but other than that, who cares?

BradM · 11-18-2004, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by ronaldo
They see us enjoying our democracy and freedom and they can't stand us for it.

Dude, I hope that was filled with sarcasm. Our country has more freedoms than you do at this point.

BradM · 11-18-2004, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by Dead13
You spend 100% of the time complaining about American's problems while you turn a blind eye on your own.

What problems?

Forest · 11-18-2004, 09:10 AM

I love canada

great beer

GeXus · 11-18-2004, 09:12 AM

Americans hate canadians eh? What are you talking aboot

Dildozer · 11-18-2004, 09:15 AM

Deep down they're jealous

spamofon · 11-18-2004, 09:18 AM

Canadian: eh?
American: huh?

ronaldo · 11-18-2004, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by BradM
Dude, I hope that was filled with sarcasm. Our country has more freedoms than you do at this point.

Actually Brad that was a sarcastic post, but I'm curious to know what freedoms you have that we don't.

mikeyddddd · 11-18-2004, 09:26 AM

I don't spend a second even thinking about Canada. Or Mexico for that matter. But, now that I am, do the words "eminent domain" mean anything to you?

H.I.G · 11-18-2004, 10:00 AM

this is turning out to be a very interesting thread

So far the best answers and points have come from the Canadians

Anthony · 11-18-2004, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by H.I.G
this is turning out to be a very interesting thread

So far the best answers and points have come from the Canadians

I could care less about any country really. All I care about is how I can make money with their citizens.

I don't judge, I don't harp on, unless I'm defending the USA.

I love Canada. I lived there for years. I just don't see why Canadians hate the US and citizens as much as they do.

Denis_SC · 11-18-2004, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by Fake Nick
lol, they dont hate canadians, it is just a friendly neigbourly making fun of each other thing

This is it

Raven · 11-18-2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by Anthony
It is the other way around.

When my girlfriend who is canadian meets ppl here in the US, and they find out, they talk about how beautiful it is up there.

When people in Canada found out I was american, I would get hit with:

1. Why do Americans think we live in an igloos, or have no running water.

2. Your country sucks.

3. Americans are assholes, but you are nice.

Those were the top 3.

Don't forget the rant and rave about how weak the dollar is.

For the most part, when I visit Canada....I am met with friendliness and great manners....mild fun....I love the place.

Having said that...we ARE the Ugly Americans to most countries.

perverted and proud · 11-18-2004, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dead13
Its because you all act like your shit doesn't stink and we get sick hearing it. You spend 100% of the time complaining about American's problems while you turn a blind eye on your own.

I can't tell you have many times since I have lived here that I have gotten into this argument.

Canadian - America sucks because, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla... But some of you are really nice. And in World War II...

Me - Ok but, in Canada you bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

Canadian - Its not true you stupid liar, we have no problems, everything in Canada is perfect, we live in utopia, and every one loves Canadians and hates Americans.

Me - Your really that blinded by our own government?

Canadian - MARRY HAD A LITTLE LAMB, LITTLE LAMB, LITTLE LAMB - NOT LISTENING - SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP!

I'm not trying to slam Canada here, its a great place with great people, but you have your own problems just like any other country and any other place, so stop bashing us for our problems and get on with fixing your own and we will all get along like one big happy family.

this iz, 4 the most part true. i come down 2 the states w/ some ov my friendz, and all they talk about iz how canada iz so perfect and the us iz fukked up.

but we only say it cuz itz true

perverted and proud · 11-18-2004, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anthony
I could care less about any country really. All I care about is how I can make money with their citizens.

I don't judge, I don't harp on, unless I'm defending the USA.

I love Canada. I lived there for years. I just don't see why Canadians hate the US and citizens as much as they do.

if your newz was more objective, i think u would see the answer in front of u.

Anthony · 11-18-2004, 11:27 AM

You need to elaborate, as I have no idea what you are talking about.

Paco, of Large Cash. · 11-18-2004, 12:13 PM

I (Canadian) do not hate any country. If a country has a few meatheads that do, that is not the countries fault. Blame that on the lack of selective breeding and Darwin?s theory.

I believe the entire 'America is bad' ideology stems from mere jealousy.

Everyone is always peeking over the fence to see what the other has; once they see, the bigger whatever-they-have, the person peering becomes jealous ('Why do I not have that ... I deserve it?').

I blame greed & religion.

You kidding me, most Canadians want what the US has to offer but without paying the price. Everyone wants to be a fucking movie star with out being in the spotlight (which hate and ridicule always follow).

Mr Dickovitch · 11-18-2004, 12:41 PM

I will tell you what Americans really think about Canada. They never think about Canada at all, ever! As far as we are concerned you might as well not exist.

We think more about Mexico because at least they have good food and an original culture. I probably think more about New Zealand than I do Canada.

Basic_man · 11-18-2004, 12:42 PM

They are fuckin' jealous of our Prime Minister

Deepai · 11-18-2004, 12:42 PM

cause they smell like pee.

Mr Dickovitch · 11-18-2004, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by perverted and proud
if your newz was more objective, i think u would see the answer in front of u.

Your media is the most liberal anti-American hating bullshit I've ever seen. I was there visiting, it was a joke. At times I laughed out loud.

Nickless · 11-18-2004, 12:44 PM

both suck

SilverTab · 11-18-2004, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Dickovitch
Your media is the most liberal anti-American hating bullshit I've ever seen. I was there visiting, it was a joke. At times I laughed out loud.

oh well I laugh out loud alot when i'm watching CNN...I guess that evens out....

SilverTab · 11-18-2004, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by perverted and proud
this iz, 4 the most part true. i come down 2 the states w/ some ov my friendz, and all they talk about iz how canada iz so perfect and the us iz fukked up.

but we only say it cuz itz true

holy shit..I hate that teenchatroom typing shit....

yOu ShOuLd TrY iT LiKe ThAt It WoUlD bE eVeN MoRe AnNoYiNg

Jman · 11-18-2004, 12:56 PM

Because our beer and strip club (especially in the Montreal region)

are WAYYYYY Better Eh!

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mynetporn Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: FL Posts: 1,154	Canadians don't feel bad. As Americans it is our nature to dislike people from other countries. We have a feeling of absolute power and that everyone should look up to us. We are lazy and have huge egos. We try to change everyone to think and act the way we do. If the average American got their wish that the rest of the world was like them they would then see how much of an ass they really are. As for myself I travel the world and get along with most I meet. If you want to kill me because I am American then I will not like you. When I lived in Michigan I would be in Canada every other weekend. Nice country but a little too cold for my taste in the winter. Have a great day eh. The above post does not reflect the opinion of all Americans. This is only the opinion of this individual.

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Dead13 Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 477	Its because you all act like your shit doesn't stink and we get sick hearing it. You spend 100% of the time complaining about American's problems while you turn a blind eye on your own. I can't tell you have many times since I have lived here that I have gotten into this argument. Canadian - America sucks because, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla... But some of you are really nice. And in World War II... Me - Ok but, in Canada you bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. Canadian - Its not true you stupid liar, we have no problems, everything in Canada is perfect, we live in utopia, and every one loves Canadians and hates Americans. Me - Your really that blinded by our own government? Canadian - MARRY HAD A LITTLE LAMB, LITTLE LAMB, LITTLE LAMB - NOT LISTENING - SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP! I'm not trying to slam Canada here, its a great place with great people, but you have your own problems just like any other country and any other place, so stop bashing us for our problems and get on with fixing your own and we will all get along like one big happy family.

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Paco, of Large Cash. Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: --> . <-- Posts: 2,267	I (Canadian) do not hate any country. If a country has a few meatheads that do, that is not the countries fault. Blame that on the lack of selective breeding and Darwin?s theory. I believe the entire 'America is bad' ideology stems from mere jealousy. Everyone is always peeking over the fence to see what the other has; once they see, the bigger whatever-they-have, the person peering becomes jealous ('Why do I not have that ... I deserve it?'). I blame greed & religion. You kidding me, most Canadians want what the US has to offer but without paying the price. Everyone wants to be a fucking movie star with out being in the spotlight (which hate and ridicule always follow). Last edited by Paco, of Large Cash.; 11-18-2004 at 12:15 PM..

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Mr Dickovitch Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,070	I will tell you what Americans really think about Canada. They never think about Canada at all, ever! As far as we are concerned you might as well not exist. We think more about Mexico because at least they have good food and an original culture. I probably think more about New Zealand than I do Canada.

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