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Old 02-23-2005, 08:36 PM   #101
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2) I own the trademark to the name Tawnee Stone, she can't use it when she leaves.
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Old 02-23-2005, 08:36 PM   #102
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Old 02-23-2005, 08:37 PM   #103
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Couple side notes

1) I didn't renew her contract because she refuses to do anything but softcore, for any price. I offered her $25k for a one-hour POV that she refused.

2) I own the trademark to the name Tawnee Stone, she can't use it when she leaves.

3) She is now 4 years older, and not the 18 year old star that she was.

4) She causes a lot of drama in my studio with our other models, constantly reminding them that she is the #1 girl.
Sounds like you have treated her more than fair in the time she worked with you. Time has come to part company.
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Old 02-23-2005, 08:37 PM   #104
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are = our, I assume? :P
I am guessing she is not an English major
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Old 02-23-2005, 08:38 PM   #105
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Hell, in past jobs I've worked 60 hours regularly for a salary of less than $500 gross per week. And that was management! On my feet all the time, busting my ass helping people as if they were the most important people in the world. Coming home and literally falling asleep right where I sat down when I walked in the door. Waking up and doing it all over again.

Sometimes reality strikes and sometimes it doesnt. I wouldnt change anything I dont think.

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Old 02-23-2005, 08:38 PM   #106
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i doubt the girls will leave lightspeed if tawnee does

as steve said she causes drama with the other girls

im sure jordan would like to be #1 for awhile
and that will happeni f tawnee leaves

im sure jordan is getting close to beating tawnee in sales anyways
I see your point.. Well, shit.. Then I'd let her go.. If she is a drama queen that others would like to see go...

Perhaps most of this shit is about the fact that Jordan is #1? Or atleast on her way to being #1.
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So let me get this straight. She made over $130,000 last year doing softcore nude only. She's going to finish school with no student loans and she's bought/buying a house at 22. On top of that you offered her another $24,000 to not shoot with anyone else.

She thinks that's the short end of the stick? Oh it's going to be a rude awakening for her.
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Remind her of what happened to Prince once he dropped the name
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Old 02-23-2005, 08:39 PM   #109
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Well about 4 weeks ago (Steve knows about this) Tawnee did contact me, to make a single girl website for her. As much as I would love to, I cannot 'burn any bridges' as they say, and told her I couldn't.

HMMM, so she's already contacted some people. Got responses similar to yours from all of them, she probably doesn't realize the site owners talk to eachother. This ultimatum seems forced, she most likely alreadys knows she's done if she leaves.
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Remind her of what happened to Prince once he dropped the name

LOL Classic.
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Oops, I just re-read her email and saw that the $2k was to remain exclusive. Since she obviously wants to continue working in the adult industry then going from $130k working to $24k not working [in adult] would be quite a big hit. Still, it's better than nothing, isn't it? I've never seen anything to suggest that Steve doesn't treat his models well.
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Is the severance deal because you don't want to work with her anymore or because she wants out? And if she wants out, why would she be going to other companies?

I really don't understand. I'm assuming the only reason you decided to post this email is because you figure that soon enough other companies will be posting emails from her.
i am lost too...i mean, if she is hired by another company then she will get the severence and new pay...so why is she bitching about free money?

i call fake drama, and not very well planned out either

and pretty unprofessional to post private business emails to a public board..

i won't stop sending traffic though, lightspeed is a killer program...LOL
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Old 02-23-2005, 08:42 PM   #113
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Remind her of what happened to Prince once he dropped the name
Yeah, that was so lame. Instead of the media calling him "Prince", he became "The artist formerly known as Prince". Much better
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Ok, it's not industry suicide as Perfection Jeff, the most "successful single girl site owner" refers to it, very ironic i might ad. It is BUSINESS.

She will find a company, the company will shoot her softcore, throw up a webcam chat and do pretty damn good, offer her like 5k to 10k/month.

Steve, if you want my advice, just pay 3k to 4k/month, she will be thrilled with that, and you wont have to be pissed off for a whole year, that along is worth it.
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Oops, I just re-read her email and saw that the $2k was to remain exclusive. Since she obviously wants to continue working in the adult industry then going from $130k working to $24k not working [in adult] would be quite a big hit. Still, it's better than nothing, isn't it? I've never seen anything to suggest that Steve doesn't treat his models well.
oh, so like if she basically didn't work for anyone else, but stopped working for steve, she would get $2k a month....

$2k a month ain't shit though on the west coast, if she is there...you can barely live on $4k a month there
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Couple side notes

1) I didn't renew her contract because she refuses to do anything but softcore, for any price. I offered her $25k for a one-hour POV that she refused.

2) I own the trademark to the name Tawnee Stone, she can't use it when she leaves.

3) She is now 4 years older, and not the 18 year old star that she was.

4) She causes a lot of drama in my studio with our other models, constantly reminding them that she is the #1 girl.
I kind of admire her for sticking to her no hardcore rule. She obviously has some respect for herself. But from the sounds of it it seems like her self respect has gone a bit overbaord with her dramatic ways. If she doesn't take the 2k a month, then fuck her. She's not going to get anywhere without the tawne stone name and is just another washed up model without it. No other company would have any use for her.
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So let me get this straight. She made over $130,000 last year doing softcore nude only. She's going to finish school with no student loans and she's bought/buying a house at 22. On top of that you offered her another $24,000 to not shoot with anyone else.

She thinks that's the short end of the stick? Oh it's going to be a rude awakening for her.
That about sums it up.

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You already know my take on it.

If shes shopping a deal then fuck her. DOnt pay her a dime. If she wont accept the 2k a month for doing nothing after all you have paid her then again, fuck her.

Any program that picked her up would be commiting industy suicide. Not only that, shes the most branded name girl on the internet. Shes branded as hell making her worthless as anything but Tawnee Stone.

She might find a job doing DP with two big black dude, but other then that... she has ZERO value for anyone.

Kick her bitchy ass out and let her see how good she had it. No need to be nice Steve, you know as well as I do she would fuck you over without thinking about it.
She won't accept 2k because she thinks (rightly or wrongly) she can make more money doing other web work. Wtf is wrong with that?
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I heard she's a freak off camera.....
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never mind what I said earlier, sounds like she is being a primadonna....i hate bitches like that

fuck her...
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by the way I agree with her, she should get more than $2,000 per month.
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This kind of reminds me of those idiots at CSI who said they slept in cause they thought they could take the franchise down and demanded a bigger raise then they got...your fired was the response. Well if that Jackass didn't go on Leno and apologize after he realized that the show made him.
Steve you have three choices and since this is business you can either
1. try to talk to her which I am sure will only hurt you.
2. Ignore the email and continue on as business as usual and chalk it up to youth and stupidity(I am sure you have been there too) and will soon realize how dumb she actually is.
3. Fire Her.
Either way you have to live with the decision.

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Not at all. Tawnee was paid over $130k last year. We have stockpiled an enormous amount of content of her, and she refuses to do anything more than simple nudity. I offered her $24k over the next 12 month for DOING NOTHING. The $2000/month was a severance deal, I didn't want her to lose her new house.

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D'oh! Guess I should have read the whole thread. Still, how about like $50,000 severance. She has made you millions right?
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She won't accept 2k because she thinks (rightly or wrongly) she can make more money doing other web work. Wtf is wrong with that?

Nothing wrong with that at all. However, shes going to be VERY disapointed. She has no value at all other then her branded name as Tawnee Stone which Steve owns.

She thinks she has a card to play when in fact, that "card" cashed in about two years ago. I dont wish anything bad for the girl, I just think she is being a fool and Steve is being to nice. She will never respect what Steve has done or is willing to do now.
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Then I guess I must be headed for the nursing home at my age.
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Ok, I think I understand this all.

1. She made $130K LAST year.
2. She didn't get her contract renewed THIS year cause she only does softcore.
3. The $2K a month is a severance package so that she doesn't work for someone else for a year.

So basically her only option is either be happy with $2K a month or leave Steve to hopefully make more.

Can't really blame her for wanting to make more than $2K a month after she had a taste of the $130K year.

I think you're doing the right thing steve to let her go. You've got plenty of content saved up so her leaving shouldn't phase you.

If she's trying to finish up school she should be happy that allthough she's not making $130K, she's still got a FREE $24K for a year and can focus just on school.

Just my 2 cents
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Ok, it's not industry suicide as Perfection Jeff, the most "successful single girl site owner" refers to it, very ironic i might ad. It is BUSINESS.

She will find a company, the company will shoot her softcore, throw up a webcam chat and do pretty damn good, offer her like 5k to 10k/month.

Steve, if you want my advice, just pay 3k to 4k/month, she will be thrilled with that, and you wont have to be pissed off for a whole year, that along is worth it.
You make a decent point, but Tawnee Stone's strongest asset is no longer her looks or cute personality, it is her branding as "Tawnee Stone". Without that, she is just another average looking brunette model, wanting hundreds of thousands of dollars per year just to pose nude.
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All good things come to a end. I doubt very much she can make more with someone eles than with you and yes the constant softcore had to stop theres only so many ways one girl can be shoot. If she will not at least do some more edgie stuff it was time for her to go. The fact that you where willing to pay her 2k a month to keep her exclusive and help her out shows you care about her. To me I think its time she went out there and finds out for herself.
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About the severance, is that $2k to let her go on good terms, or is it to prevent her from working for anyone else? If it's truely severance she should be damn happy. If it means she can't work, then yeah, it's going to be hard to live off $24k.

I would spend the money looking for her replacement. Let her go work for someone else... she'll be nothing without Lightspeed and your trademark.
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Is the severance deal because you don't want to work with her anymore or because she wants out? And if she wants out, why would she be going to other companies?

I really don't understand. I'm assuming the only reason you decided to post this email is because you figure that soon enough other companies will be posting emails from her.
I didn't renew her contract. She refused to do live shows, nude public appearances, or anything besides softcore content. She wouldn't even answer her own fan mail or write her own daily journal.

She wanted $10k/month to do less than any of our other models, and lots of them resented her for it.

So my solution was to pay her the $10k+/month, and shoot years of content ahead while we trademarked the name Tawnee Stone. Now that its all done, I offered her $2000/month in severance, so she can finish school without losing her new house. But, of course, now she will make me look like an asshole for my trouble.

I started this thread because I would rather people know my side of the story before the rumors start flying when she starts emailing people.

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I would not pay the girls a dime. Shoot the hell out of them for a month and kick them to the curb. You try to be good to them, and you get this crap.
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Not at all. Tawnee was paid over $130k last year. We have stockpiled an enormous amount of content of her, and she refuses to do anything more than simple nudity. I offered her $24k over the next 12 month for DOING NOTHING. The $2000/month was a severance deal, I didn't want her to lose her new house.

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Sounds like you are a hell of a guy.


Unless she has a better severance deal in her contract, then you are a douche j/k man.
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D'oh! Guess I should have read the whole thread. Still, how about like $50,000 severance. She has made you millions right?
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by the way I agree with her, she should get more than $2,000 per month.

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2. Ignore the email and continue on as business as usual and chalk it up to youth and stupidity(I am sure you have been there too) and will soon realize how dumb she actually is.
Explain to me how she is being dumb. I think she is being very smart. Basically Lightspeed terminated their contract and offered her 2K/month to not do any web work. Even if she can no longer use her name, 2K/month is nothing. She knows she can easily make that under a different name with a different company. It's not her smarts that are lacking but rather her professionalism and respect.
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I didn't renew her contract. She refused to do live shows, nude public appearances, or anything besides softcore content. She wouldn't even answer her own fan mail or write her own daily journal.

She wanted $10k/month to do less than any of our other models, and lots of them resented her for it.

So my solution was to pay her the $10k+/month, and shoot years of content ahead while we trademarked the name Tawnee Stone. Now that its all done, I offered her $2000/month in severance, so she can finish school without losing her new house. But, of course, now she will make me look like an asshole for my trouble.

I started this thread because I would rather people know my side of the story before the rumors start flying when she starts emailing people.

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Looks like you saw this comming a long time ago and took the proper steps to prepare yourself.

Sounds like she was VERY well paid to begin with and now she's spoiled and wants to continue being overpaid for little work.

Bye Bye Tawnee...Nice knowing you
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Old 02-23-2005, 09:04 PM   #141
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I would not pay the girls a dime. Shoot the hell out of them for a month and kick them to the curb. You try to be good to them, and you get this crap.
Fucking crazy when you and I start agreeing. Times they are a-changin'!

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screw her, you say you got enough content just keep making money off her site and launch the next lightspeed girl.
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I thought it was going to be some fake drama, considering all the fake drama threads lately. Then on page 3 Steve was going to say that Tawnee was going to start doing hardcore... boy was I wrong

You've been more than generous
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To do absolutely nothing?
Like an idiot I posted before reading the whole thread.
But perhaps she could get a chunk Steve, then say bye bye.
Like give her a check and end it.
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Explain to me how she is being dumb. I think she is being very smart. Basically Lightspeed terminated their contract and offered her 2K/month to not do any web work. Even if she can no longer use her name, 2K/month is nothing. She knows she can easily make that under a different name with a different company. It's not her smarts that are lacking but rather her professionalism and respect.
I don't think she can "easily" make more than $2k/month with only softcore with another comapny.

It's all about hardcore these days, and she's not 18yo anymore so she might not attract the teen softcore crowd.
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I didn't renew her contract. She refused to do live shows, nude public appearances, or anything besides softcore content.
I remember her doing a set with a baby cock in her mouth
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Like an idiot I posted before reading the whole thread.
But perhaps she could get a chunk Steve, then say bye bye.
Like give her a check and end it.
Why should he give her a chunk? Business is business. Steve already did the nice guy thing and offered her 2k. Let her move on. Don't give her shit. She is no good to you anymore. Business is business.
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I remember her doing a set with a baby cock in her mouth
First year of shooting, never again, after her parents found out.
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