ibill IS toccata.com - GoFuckYourself.com

joey3001 · 03-03-2005, 09:28 PM

ok, hows this.. ibill is toccata.com

i decided to use the wayback machine..

http://web.archive.org/web/200306182.../frameset6.htm

take a look at what their address was before they updated the site..

brand0n · 03-03-2005, 09:28 PM

lol pretty sneaky

joey3001 · 03-03-2005, 10:01 PM

i also cant find anything on ibill even being allowed to do business anymore in florida. not since 9/2003. they have an llc in georgia under intercept but not in florida..

joey3001 · 03-03-2005, 10:01 PM

oh and just for the sake of it:
personal info of anyone is a bannable offense. Please refrain
tell her i said hi..

if anyone can give me the board of directors ill gladly look up some info.. its one of my business's i do.. find things people done want found

and now that they pissed me off.. feel my wrath..

chodadog · 03-03-2005, 10:25 PM

So, Inteca is going to come along and help Ibill out. Inteca's website just happens to be on the same IP as Toccata's website. And Toccata's address just happened to be the same as IBill's address before they changed their website?

What the fuck? Nice find...

chodadog · 03-03-2005, 10:34 PM

Some more interesting info.

"Chris Williams, CEO of Toccata"
http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/28681

http://whois.sc/inteca.org
Registrant Name:Chris Williams

Webby · 03-03-2005, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodadog

So, Inteca is going to come along and help Ibill out. Inteca's website just happens to be on the same IP as Toccata's website. And Toccata's address just happened to be the same as IBill's address before they changed their website?

What the fuck? Nice find...

Yea.. it's a benevolent society that has this "need" to help iBill..

So... iBill are entering into an agreement with this trusted third party and enabling them to handle bank funds.

It is just one massive total coincidence that toccata.com and inteca.org happen to share the same IP at Rackspace.

It is also one massive coincidence that the principal of toccata has a home in Deerfield Beach in Florida.

tungsten · 03-03-2005, 10:36 PM

thats some interesting shit

joey3001 · 03-03-2005, 10:37 PM

also, here is the georgia registration of ibill.. i cant find anything active in florida for them under ibill or internet billing:

INTERNET BILLING COMPANY, LLC (GEORGIA LIMITED LIABILITY) Officers
3150 HOLCOMB BRIDGE ROAD,#200
NORCROSS, GA 30071

Control # Status Filing Date Last AR Paid Jurisdiction
0349178
ACTIVE/OWES CURRENT YEAR AR
09/11/2003
02/12/2004
GEORGIA

Registered Agent Agent Address Agent County
SCOTT R. MEYERHOFF
3150 HOLCOMB BRIDGE ROAD,#200
NORCROSS, GA 30071
GWINNETT

These guys are major scammers at this point.. i will call the AG again tomorrow with this info

joey3001 · 03-03-2005, 10:39 PM

shit, i forgot the best part:

i did a traceroute to both toccata and intecca.org

they BOTH resolve to the same damn server even!!
209.61.190.42

Dirty F · 03-03-2005, 10:41 PM

Welll, now you people can be sure...if they owe you money...youre not gonna get it.

Webby · 03-03-2005, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tungsten

thats some interesting shit

It's called deception and fraud.

The object of this action by iBill can be for several reasons.

1) The securing of funds from EU banks

2) Decieving webmasters into thinking "INTECA" is some organization with credibility - it is not.

3) Using this as yet another delay excuse till we hear the words "the arrangement with INTECA did not come to fruition, but, we are proceeding forward and intend to pay all webmasters".

Regardless of any of the above.... they are, at least, lying yet again, and, at worst, committing fraud.

Webby · 03-03-2005, 10:49 PM

The registrant of both toccata.com and inteca.org is:

Webby · 03-03-2005, 10:51 PM

The registrant of both toccata.com and inteca.org is:

Chris Williams of
XXXX SW 12 COURT
DEERFIELD BEACH
FLORIDA

It's a total coincidence of course....

chodadog · 03-03-2005, 11:08 PM

You guys seen the other domains on that same IP? There are 35 in all. First one i checked out was EUPayments.com

Check out the WHOIS.

David Wells ( dwells@TOCCATA.COM)
3360 SW 1 CT
Deerfield Beach, FL 33442
US

Doing a search on google for

"David Wells" INTECA

You'll discover a [email protected] email address.

chodadog · 03-03-2005, 11:12 PM

"02/05/2005

Toccata Ltd, a U.K. financial services company, is launching a new subsidiary Segregated Payments. Segregated Payments (SegPay), a Gibraltar company, will operate as an IPSP initially for European merchants and intends to partner with Toccata, Inteca and other leading ecommerce service providers to expand into other regions before year end."

Who then partnered with INTECA to handle payments to clients earlier this month (14th Feb 2005). Does anyone actually believe these are seperate companies?

And does anyone else find it curious that at a time when all the shit has hit the ibill fan, a company that used to have the same address as them has just set up a brand new european IPSP?

Webby · 03-03-2005, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodadog

You guys seen the other domains on that same IP? There are 35 in all. First one i checked out was EUPayments.com

Check out the WHOIS.

David Wells ( dwells@TOCCATA.COM)
3360 SW 1 CT
Deerfield Beach, FL 33442
US

Doing a search on google for

"David Wells" INTECA

You'll discover a [email protected] email address.

Hi Chodadog! Yea... everywhere you look it gets even more interesting :-)

We all hang out at Deerfield Beech!

Dunno if Joey posted this.... toccata was located at the same address as iBill in Deerfield Beech!

iBill have made their "public statement" on this earlier - was waiting on that - it is now time for a fraud officer to start a fraud map!!

Pornwolf · 03-03-2005, 11:16 PM

Segregated payments? I don't think Jesse Jackson will approve of this.

Damian_Maxcash · 03-03-2005, 11:16 PM

GFY scares me sometimes........

Tony Montana · 03-03-2005, 11:17 PM

I havn't really been following the ibill thing too much so I could be wrong but..

Arn't these guys pushing their legal limits? I wonder if some people(pres/vice,ect) there will get jail time out of this?

Webby · 03-03-2005, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodadog

"02/05/2005

Toccata Ltd, a U.K. financial services company, is launching a new subsidiary Segregated Payments. Segregated Payments (SegPay), a Gibraltar company, will operate as an IPSP initially for European merchants and intends to partner with Toccata, Inteca and other leading ecommerce service providers to expand into other regions before year end."

Yea Chris does have a home there!!

But.. now you are getting me confused... it's like dealing with someone with multiple personalities when trying to track the deviant crap iBill is doing :-)

These are all the same bullshit non entities.... iBill is connected with all and looks like this new corp SegPay is just a change of face from the old iBill Gibraltar corp.

Gotta say... over the last short time - there have been many "adjustments" to the status of iBill in general... and these appear to be continuing.

This is common in fraud issues - it's a matter of covering one's ass depending on the threat on the doorstep that day. It is not anything a rational and "normal" company does - hence the need for a fraud map :-)

chodadog · 03-03-2005, 11:23 PM

Check this shit out. Heaps of the domains on that 35 domain list i mentioned don't have websites, but you can find 'em on the wayback machine. Example:

DebitPayments.com

http://web.archive.org/web/200308291...b/contact.html

DebitPayments.Com
2200 SW 10th St.
Deerfield Beach, FL 44332

That 2200 SW 10th Street must be very popular! All these seperate and independant companies seem to love it! Domain also just happens to be registered to Chris Williams.

Webmaster_Logic · 03-03-2005, 11:24 PM

Interesting thread...

Tony Montana · 03-03-2005, 11:26 PM

should call him up and ask what is going on

http://www.google.com/search?sa=X&oi... rfield+Beach

Webby · 03-03-2005, 11:26 PM

BTW Toccata Ltd... a UK based company where the principal is Chris Williams... is also Toccata Inc... where Williams is also the principal. And.. Tocatta Inc is based at.... guess!

2200 SW 10th St.
Deerfield Beach,
FL 33442

Webby · 03-03-2005, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodadog

Check this shit out. Heaps of the domains on that 35 domain list i mentioned don't have websites, but you can find 'em on the wayback machine. Example:

DebitPayments.com

http://web.archive.org/web/200308291...b/contact.html

DebitPayments.Com
2200 SW 10th St.
Deerfield Beach, FL 44332

That 2200 SW 10th Street must be very popular! All these seperate and independant companies seem to love it! Domain also just happens to be registered to Chris Williams.

Oh yea... Deerfield Beech is internationally known for ecommerce and online processing :-)

There are loads of corps around... all with a common thread... ie.. some are owned by InterCept - scum Jason's company which happens to claim to share the databases in all of the IBD group. In simple terms - take that to mean Jason has ripped the card data out of iBill and plans to market this to his XBox and channel TV activities.

BUT.. One thing to notice about Jason Woodruff Galanis is - he does not like to be on the board of anything. He prefers to be a "shareholder" and was charged for fraud by the SEC in that capacity.

joey3001 · 03-04-2005, 07:10 AM

bump for morning readers..

DateDoc · 03-04-2005, 07:39 AM

This has to be fraud and in an organized way by the looks of it which means the RICO laws apply. Someone that is owed money by iBill ought to cantact the FL attorney General ([email protected]) as that is where they are based even though they are a GA LLC. If they owed me $$ I'd be all over the atty general.

joey3001 · 03-04-2005, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

This has to be fraud and in an organized way by the looks of it which means the RICO laws apply. Someone that is owed money by iBill ought to cantact the FL attorney General ([email protected]) as that is where they are based even though they are a GA LLC. If they owed me $$ I'd be all over the atty general.

thats what i been saying.. i been calling now almost daily with more info.. but no one else is calling. even if you are owed 1.00 call them...call...

1-866-966-7226

adonthenet · 03-04-2005, 07:44 AM

ibill = probs

keyboard warrior · 03-04-2005, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

should call him up and ask what is going on

http://www.google.com/search?sa=X&oi... rfield+Beach

I called them they answered as IBILL - I got switched to there robot machine that says to look at cmi for payment schedual.

TDF · 03-04-2005, 09:26 AM

good info and nice finds

whatif_3 · 03-04-2005, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey3001

ok, hows this.. ibill is toccata.com

i decided to use the wayback machine..

http://web.archive.org/web/200306182.../frameset6.htm

take a look at what their address was before they updated the site..

exact same address as ibill:

Internet Billing Company, Ltd., 2200 SW 10th Street, Deerfield Beach, FL 33442-7622, Fax. 954.363.4401, and Tel. 954.363.4400.

(http://ibill.com/about/privacy.cfm)

tocata = inteca = ibill

shady

whatif_3 · 03-04-2005, 11:18 AM

Where is tony404 to discredit these insidious lies?

SmokeyTheBear · 03-04-2005, 11:35 AM

Ineteresting. I wonder why so many thieves run shop out of deerfield florida.

brand0n · 03-04-2005, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Ineteresting. I wonder why so many thieves run shop out of deerfield florida.

fl is nice year round. if your gonna run a scam op, why not do it in the best weather?

Jace · 03-04-2005, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey3001

INTERNET BILLING COMPANY, LLC (GEORGIA LIMITED LIABILITY) Officers
3150 HOLCOMB BRIDGE ROAD,#200
NORCROSS, GA 30071

Registered Agent Agent Address Agent County
SCOTT R. MEYERHOFF
3150 HOLCOMB BRIDGE ROAD,#200
NORCROSS, GA 30071
GWINNETT

how fucked up...that is 4 MILES FROM ME

skeet · 03-04-2005, 11:49 AM

Chris Williams = Head of iBill EU when it had to be created. He had office space at iBill when they first moved to Deerfield.

David Wells = Promoted to head of I.T. at iBill after all his bosses quit. If I have my facts right he is still working there. David was brought in by Chris back in the day.

Both Chris and David are good people. I do however think it is odd that their company would be granted permission by iBill?s EU bank to distribute funds to clients. More then likely this group has secured processing somewhere else and is going to try to continue processing for ?former? iBill EU clients, i.e. a side deal with iBill to buy their EU portfolio.

Chris was solely responsible for getting iBill EU up and running. Given the talent at the time this was a huge undertaking on his part. If anyone had a chance of pulling the EU piece out of this nose dive it would be Chris and his friends.

As for the other $20something million dollars owed to the rest of you ?. Good luck.

whatif_3 · 03-04-2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Ineteresting. I wonder why so many thieves run shop out of deerfield florida.

dude, its one set of thieves out of one location using multiple companies

SmokeyTheBear · 03-04-2005, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatif_3

dude, its one set of thieves out of one location using multiple companies

Thats not what i meant.

There have been many other scammers to come out of deerfield.

go do a search on rip-off report about freedom financial

whatif_3 · 03-04-2005, 11:57 AM

o'tay

you see why i thought otherwise

joey3001 · 03-04-2005, 12:30 PM

nice, now the liars must have seen the posts.. because they updated cmi:

iBill has received several calls regarding our relationship with Inteca. Hopefully this will help clarify any additional concerns that have been raised by the iBill EU sponsored merchants.

The International e.Commerce Association (Inteca) is a not for profit association. It is not linked to iBill in any way, other than some members of its executive management have prior experience with iBill, as detailed below.

The officer of Inteca who has been instrumental in setting up this escrow payment service for iBill EU clients is Chris Williams, who set up and was the Director of iBill EU when it was formed in 2002. He has no ties with the current ownership of iBill. He does work closely with the acquiring bank and the EU processor on a number of other accounts and areas of business. Chris has one area of personal interest in respect to his company?s ownership of http:// www.toccata.com which does offer a service involving the use of Inteca as an escrow agent.

----

they didnt explain why all companies had the same mailing address at one time.

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-04-2005, 12:42 PM

Okay, you busted us so we are going to put a spin on it and make it look like there is nothing wrong. If the glove doesn't fit, you have to aquit.

joey3001 · 03-04-2005, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

Okay, you busted us so we are going to put a spin on it and make it look like there is nothing wrong. If the glove doesn't fit, you have to aquit.

yep.. i also have the cell phone to the person in charge of dealing with ibill at this new restructure thing they are claiming..

Manowar · 03-04-2005, 01:07 PM

The coffin must be overflowing with nails already

Raven · 03-04-2005, 01:11 PM

Instead of calling, send certified letters to every organisation there is. The power of the pen is mighty.

JFK · 03-04-2005, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey3001

bump for morning readers..

and one for the afternoon crowd

iforgotmyscreenname · 03-04-2005, 01:28 PM

Anyone hear news on US webmasters....Seems like ibill avioded that whole topic completley during both CMI updates,Maybe because npbpdy mentioned it in this thread?

HEllOOOOO IBILLLLLL ,We know your reading this...How about atleast giving all the stressed out US webmasters the 'every intention of paying' line?

Rui · 03-04-2005, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

Yea.. it's a benevolent society that has this "need" to help iBill..

So... iBill are entering into an agreement with this trusted third party and enabling them to handle bank funds.

It is just one massive total coincidence that toccata.com and inteca.org happen to share the same IP at Rackspace.

It is also one massive coincidence that the principal of toccata has a home in Deerfield Beach in Florida.

Thing must be pretty shitty if they can't even afford a dedicated ip for the sites

joey3001 · 03-04-2005, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iforgotmyscreenname

Anyone hear news on US webmasters....Seems like ibill avioded that whole topic completley during both CMI updates,Maybe because npbpdy mentioned it in this thread?

HEllOOOOO IBILLLLLL ,We know your reading this...How about atleast giving all the stressed out US webmasters the 'every intention of paying' line?

quite funny.. actually i have made contact with several people.. both at first data and the AG and the new restructuring company.. will post more when i hear more. Monday i will be talking with the man in charge over at first data.

03-03-2005, 09:28 PM	#1
joey3001 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 84	ibill IS toccata.com ok, hows this.. ibill is toccata.com i decided to use the wayback machine.. http://web.archive.org/web/200306182.../frameset6.htm take a look at what their address was before they updated the site..

03-03-2005, 10:01 PM	#4
joey3001 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 84	oh and just for the sake of it: personal info of anyone is a bannable offense. Please refrain tell her i said hi.. if anyone can give me the board of directors ill gladly look up some info.. its one of my business's i do.. find things people done want found and now that they pissed me off.. feel my wrath.. Last edited by Eric; 03-03-2005 at 11:15 PM..

03-03-2005, 10:25 PM	#5
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	So, Inteca is going to come along and help Ibill out. Inteca's website just happens to be on the same IP as Toccata's website. And Toccata's address just happened to be the same as IBill's address before they changed their website? What the fuck? Nice find... __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

03-03-2005, 10:34 PM	#6
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Some more interesting info. "Chris Williams, CEO of Toccata" http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/28681 http://whois.sc/inteca.org Registrant Name:Chris Williams __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

03-03-2005, 10:36 PM	#8
tungsten Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,579	thats some interesting shit __________________ VOYEUR /HOMEMADE, HENTAI / CARTOON, Reality, Amateur, Shemale, Hardcore, Cuckold, Celebrity, Retro/Vintage, ect...ALL OUR SITES >> Unbelievable Ratio \| High % of Rebills \| Bi-Monthly Payments (also to E-Passporte) Ton's of EXCLUSIVE Free content & FHG's \|=> GREAT REVENUE $$$ GUARANTEED!

03-03-2005, 09:28 PM	#2
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	lol pretty sneaky

03-03-2005, 10:37 PM	#9
joey3001 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 84	also, here is the georgia registration of ibill.. i cant find anything active in florida for them under ibill or internet billing: INTERNET BILLING COMPANY, LLC (GEORGIA LIMITED LIABILITY) Officers 3150 HOLCOMB BRIDGE ROAD,#200 NORCROSS, GA 30071 Control # Status Filing Date Last AR Paid Jurisdiction 0349178 ACTIVE/OWES CURRENT YEAR AR 09/11/2003 02/12/2004 GEORGIA Registered Agent Agent Address Agent County SCOTT R. MEYERHOFF 3150 HOLCOMB BRIDGE ROAD,#200 NORCROSS, GA 30071 GWINNETT These guys are major scammers at this point.. i will call the AG again tomorrow with this info

03-03-2005, 10:39 PM	#10
joey3001 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 84	shit, i forgot the best part: i did a traceroute to both toccata and intecca.org they BOTH resolve to the same damn server even!! 209.61.190.42

03-03-2005, 10:41 PM	#11
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Welll, now you people can be sure...if they owe you money...youre not gonna get it.

03-03-2005, 10:49 PM	#13
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	The registrant of both toccata.com and inteca.org is: __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

03-03-2005, 10:51 PM	#14
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	The registrant of both toccata.com and inteca.org is: Chris Williams of XXXX SW 12 COURT DEERFIELD BEACH FLORIDA It's a total coincidence of course.... __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

03-03-2005, 11:08 PM	#15
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	You guys seen the other domains on that same IP? There are 35 in all. First one i checked out was EUPayments.com Check out the WHOIS. David Wells ( dwells@TOCCATA.COM) 3360 SW 1 CT Deerfield Beach, FL 33442 US Doing a search on google for "David Wells" INTECA You'll discover a [email protected] email address. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

03-03-2005, 11:12 PM	#16
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	"02/05/2005 Toccata Ltd, a U.K. financial services company, is launching a new subsidiary Segregated Payments. Segregated Payments (SegPay), a Gibraltar company, will operate as an IPSP initially for European merchants and intends to partner with Toccata, Inteca and other leading ecommerce service providers to expand into other regions before year end." Who then partnered with INTECA to handle payments to clients earlier this month (14th Feb 2005). Does anyone actually believe these are seperate companies? And does anyone else find it curious that at a time when all the shit has hit the ibill fan, a company that used to have the same address as them has just set up a brand new european IPSP? __________________ 26 + 6 = 1 Last edited by chodadog; 03-03-2005 at 11:14 PM..

03-03-2005, 11:16 PM	#18
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Segregated payments? I don't think Jesse Jackson will approve of this. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-03-2005, 11:16 PM	#19
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	GFY scares me sometimes........

03-03-2005, 11:17 PM	#20
Tony Montana Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 794	I havn't really been following the ibill thing too much so I could be wrong but.. Arn't these guys pushing their legal limits? I wonder if some people(pres/vice,ect) there will get jail time out of this? __________________ I am a marketing Genius.

03-03-2005, 11:23 PM	#22
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Check this shit out. Heaps of the domains on that 35 domain list i mentioned don't have websites, but you can find 'em on the wayback machine. Example: DebitPayments.com http://web.archive.org/web/200308291...b/contact.html DebitPayments.Com 2200 SW 10th St. Deerfield Beach, FL 44332 That 2200 SW 10th Street must be very popular! All these seperate and independant companies seem to love it! Domain also just happens to be registered to Chris Williams. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

03-03-2005, 11:24 PM	#23
Webmaster_Logic Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tampa bay area Posts: 1,886	Interesting thread...

03-03-2005, 11:26 PM	#24
Tony Montana Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 794	should call him up and ask what is going on http://www.google.com/search?sa=X&oi... rfield+Beach __________________ I am a marketing Genius.

03-04-2005, 07:10 AM	#27
joey3001 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 84	bump for morning readers..

03-04-2005, 07:39 AM	#28
DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	This has to be fraud and in an organized way by the looks of it which means the RICO laws apply. Someone that is owed money by iBill ought to cantact the FL attorney General ([email protected]) as that is where they are based even though they are a GA LLC. If they owed me $$ I'd be all over the atty general. __________________

03-04-2005, 07:44 AM	#30
adonthenet Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,753	ibill = probs

03-04-2005, 09:26 AM	#32
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	good info and nice finds __________________ Sig heil

03-04-2005, 11:18 AM	#34
whatif_3 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 459	Where is tony404 to discredit these insidious lies?

03-04-2005, 11:35 AM	#35
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	Ineteresting. I wonder why so many thieves run shop out of deerfield florida. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-04-2005, 11:49 AM	#38
skeet Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 89	Chris Williams = Head of iBill EU when it had to be created. He had office space at iBill when they first moved to Deerfield. David Wells = Promoted to head of I.T. at iBill after all his bosses quit. If I have my facts right he is still working there. David was brought in by Chris back in the day. Both Chris and David are good people. I do however think it is odd that their company would be granted permission by iBill?s EU bank to distribute funds to clients. More then likely this group has secured processing somewhere else and is going to try to continue processing for ?former? iBill EU clients, i.e. a side deal with iBill to buy their EU portfolio. Chris was solely responsible for getting iBill EU up and running. Given the talent at the time this was a huge undertaking on his part. If anyone had a chance of pulling the EU piece out of this nose dive it would be Chris and his friends. As for the other $20something million dollars owed to the rest of you ?. Good luck.

03-04-2005, 11:57 AM	#41
whatif_3 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 459	o'tay you see why i thought otherwise

03-04-2005, 12:30 PM	#42
joey3001 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 84	nice, now the liars must have seen the posts.. because they updated cmi: iBill has received several calls regarding our relationship with Inteca. Hopefully this will help clarify any additional concerns that have been raised by the iBill EU sponsored merchants. The International e.Commerce Association (Inteca) is a not for profit association. It is not linked to iBill in any way, other than some members of its executive management have prior experience with iBill, as detailed below. The officer of Inteca who has been instrumental in setting up this escrow payment service for iBill EU clients is Chris Williams, who set up and was the Director of iBill EU when it was formed in 2002. He has no ties with the current ownership of iBill. He does work closely with the acquiring bank and the EU processor on a number of other accounts and areas of business. Chris has one area of personal interest in respect to his company?s ownership of http:// www.toccata.com which does offer a service involving the use of Inteca as an escrow agent. ---- they didnt explain why all companies had the same mailing address at one time.

03-04-2005, 12:42 PM	#43
MacDaddyPlaya Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Just north of Cuba Posts: 1,785	Okay, you busted us so we are going to put a spin on it and make it look like there is nothing wrong. If the glove doesn't fit, you have to aquit. __________________ Sigless

03-04-2005, 01:07 PM	#45
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	The coffin must be overflowing with nails already

03-04-2005, 01:11 PM	#46
Raven Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,874	Instead of calling, send certified letters to every organisation there is. The power of the pen is mighty. __________________ Raven ~RETIRED~

03-04-2005, 01:28 PM	#48
iforgotmyscreenname Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: ONLINE Posts: 198	Anyone hear news on US webmasters....Seems like ibill avioded that whole topic completley during both CMI updates,Maybe because npbpdy mentioned it in this thread? HEllOOOOO IBILLLLLL ,We know your reading this...How about atleast giving all the stressed out US webmasters the 'every intention of paying' line?