When you stop being profitable, some sponsors turn off sales for you - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

d00t · 03-06-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

If sales from an affiliate aren't "profitable" and the solution is to steal them, the sponsor needs to rethink their business model.

Most sponsors wont STEAL, they will nicely tell you your account is suspended because your traffic is not profitable.

You can spot a legit termination from a fake one(ie: webmaster spamming or fraudulent signups etc) by a mile away:

Real termination reasons:
anysiteontheirprogram.com/?id=YOURS : will go to a page saying this webmaster has been terminated. No upsells, no banners, no redirection, no popups.

The program is obviously still wanting this traffic.

Fake termination and/or Shave:
anysiteontheirprogram.com/?id=YOURS :
goes to the main site, with or without one of their internal tracking ID's

Now, prove me wrong!

Relish XXX · 03-06-2005, 08:55 AM

50 cancelled accounts
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suesheboy · 03-06-2005, 08:57 AM

happened to me three times already and one of my golden sponsers just switched a few days ago.

Thomas1007 · 03-06-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AkiraSS

No, they switched to Brad Shaw's Executive stats

I've tried sponsors with a NATS backend, they convert 3 times worse that our average.

Our main sponsors now don't use NATS nor Executive stats.

Ouch

We all have sponsors that are the best and when shit goes wrong we start looking for things to blame it on. I Know for a fact I have used a well known sponsor that converted well for 2 years then suddenly nothing. I cant say if it was there backend and I know my traffic didnt change. There can be any number of reasons for sales to slow or drop.

slapass · 03-06-2005, 10:10 PM

In this case they switched from a free trial to a $1 trial and just did not tell the affiliate. Sort of unqualified the traffic.

DirtyDanza · 03-06-2005, 10:51 PM

I have had to ban affiliates without letting them know due to fraud.. an affiliate is converting 1/8 and there all 34.95 signups and I get a warning that these sales are fraud by one of my prossors so of course I am going to ban him.. any program owner would.... havent paid him and won't for sending fraud transactions.. cause they all end up getting credited back within a month anyways.. so why shuold we as program owners pay on that? when we know it's fraud? why shuold we let the affiliate know? same thing on free trials.. why pay 25$ on signups that arent converting over to make us a profit? makes no sence... what so you keep sending the traffic? what good does it do us if it's not converting over?

and just to be clear all my affiliates are seeing a big increse in sales since we switched to nats... we are an honest company.. and always will be.. if you see a bad ratio with nats must be a bad site...

DirtyDanza · 03-06-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas1007

Ouch

We all have sponsors that are the best and when shit goes wrong we start looking for things to blame it on. I Know for a fact I have used a well known sponsor that converted well for 2 years then suddenly nothing. I cant say if it was there backend and I know my traffic didnt change. There can be any number of reasons for sales to slow or drop.

you say traffic did not change? what it was the same people everyday? well then there comes a time when either they joined or not? traffic changes daily

pxxx · 03-06-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

i think he meant someone else, lol

I think i know the somebody else.

Kevin2 · 03-06-2005, 11:17 PM

I signed up for one and wasn't getting any sales so I stopped the traffic. Next day I had a sale so I switched it back on. Few days later no sales so I switched it off again and the next day another sale. I left it off since then and every day I see click thru's in my stats without sending any traffic.

kong · 03-07-2005, 01:43 AM

I've sent some traffic before and after a move to Executive Stats... I actually had better conversions with it.

Sometimes a move has nothing to do with the software, but changes with the program and join pages to fit the new software.

I've never sent much traffic to any of Brad Shaws programs, but if there is one guy I would never suspect of shaving, its him. His payouts are low, but at least you know hes making profit off your traffic, as he should.

kong · 03-07-2005, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty_DS

I have had to ban affiliates without letting them know due to fraud.. an affiliate is converting 1/8 and there all 34.95 signups and I get a warning that these sales are fraud by one of my prossors so of course I am going to ban him.. any program owner would.... havent paid him and won't for sending fraud transactions.. cause they all end up getting credited back within a month anyways.. so why shuold we as program owners pay on that? when we know it's fraud? why shuold we let the affiliate know? same thing on free trials.. why pay 25$ on signups that arent converting over to make us a profit? makes no sence... what so you keep sending the traffic? what good does it do us if it's not converting over?

and just to be clear all my affiliates are seeing a big increse in sales since we switched to nats... we are an honest company.. and always will be.. if you see a bad ratio with nats must be a bad site...

I agree not to pay cheating webmasters... but if you say you pay $25 per free trial and the affiliate does not convert well.... you still pay until you talk to him and stop his traffic.

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03-06-2005, 11:17 PM	#59
Kevin2 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,429	I signed up for one and wasn't getting any sales so I stopped the traffic. Next day I had a sale so I switched it back on. Few days later no sales so I switched it off again and the next day another sale. I left it off since then and every day I see click thru's in my stats without sending any traffic. __________________ Webmasters Trade Traffic!!!

03-06-2005, 10:10 PM	#55
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	In this case they switched from a free trial to a $1 trial and just did not tell the affiliate. Sort of unqualified the traffic.

03-07-2005, 01:43 AM	#60
kong Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 188	I've sent some traffic before and after a move to Executive Stats... I actually had better conversions with it. Sometimes a move has nothing to do with the software, but changes with the program and join pages to fit the new software. I've never sent much traffic to any of Brad Shaws programs, but if there is one guy I would never suspect of shaving, its him. His payouts are low, but at least you know hes making profit off your traffic, as he should.