Inteca - Ibill Eu - New email

[Claude]

Just got this from Entica.org - but the username/password doesn´t work :-)
Mailed them back, anyone else got an email with a username / password that doesn´t work ?



Thank you for submitting your iBill EU sponsored merchant identification number (SMID) to move forward under the Inteca entrusted third party payment program. Use the Inteca UserID and Password below to enter the Inteca site (https://secure.Inteca.org) to view information as to balances of both past and future due funds from iBill EU, and other necessary information on release documents etc.

Your password is confidential and should not be shared with anyone.

Username: xxxxxx
Password: xxxxxxxx

Please check the web site today for the first informational posting. There will be additional postings within the next two days and frequently thereafter until the payment process has been completed, so please check back regularly.

[petepete]

Same here... not working either.

[Claude]

Anyone else ?

[Shoplifter]

No email yet from them.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Claude

Thank you for submitting your iBill EU sponsored merchant identification number (SMID) to move forward under the Inteca entrusted third party payment program.

Bullshit.

Inteca has NO CREDENTIALS to act as an "entrusted third party".

It is an unknown organization, supposedly operating out of an unknown jurisdiction with an unknown address, phone or fax numbers and with unknown officers and no published accounts.

Until this information is either volunteered by the officers of Inteca or - failing that, by law enforcement, - and there is transparency and honesty - the "moving forward" will not happen.

The creditors of iBill have every right to know exactly who this "entrusted third party escrow agent" is, - not least because the the management or "shareholders" of iBill have already demonstrated a pathetic track record in judgement, the ability to state truth and failed on so many undertakings/commitments and even legal contracts to avoid further court judgements.

Once again, we have an email which has still not stated *any* credentials. This will not last much longer.

If Chris Williams is actually associated with Inteca - I invite you to step forward and provide full credentials on the inteca.org website and explain, in detail, exactly what your brief from iBill is.

[Claude]

Originally Posted by Webby

Bullshit.

Inteca has NO CREDENTIALS to act as an "entrusted third party".

It is an unknown organization, supposedly operating out of an unknown jurisdiction with an unknown address, phone or fax numbers and with unknown officers and no published accounts.

Until this information is either volunteered by the officers of Inteca or - failing that, by law enforcement, - and there is transparency and honesty - the "moving forward" will not happen.

The creditors of iBill have every right to know exactly who this "entrusted third party escrow agent" is, - not least because the the management or "shareholders" of iBill have already demonstrated a pathetic track record in judgement, the ability to state truth and failed on so many undertakings/commitments and even legal contracts to avoid further court judgements.

Once again, we have an email which has still not stated *any* credentials. This will not last much longer.

If Chris Williams is actually associated with Inteca - I invite you to step forward and provide full credentials on the inteca.org website and explain, in detail, exactly what your brief from iBill is.

You have probably already seen this in the CMI and I´m not saying that you should put any faith in it,but at least it´s an explanation:

FROM THE CMI

iBill EU Follow Up
iBill has received several calls regarding our relationship with Inteca. Hopefully this will help clarify any additional concerns that have been raised by the iBill EU sponsored merchants.

The International e.Commerce Association (Inteca) is a not for profit association. It is not linked to iBill in any way, other than some members of its executive management have prior experience with iBill, as detailed below.

The officer of Inteca who has been instrumental in setting up this escrow payment service for iBill EU clients is Chris Williams, who set up and was the Director of iBill EU when it was formed in 2002. He has no ties with the current ownership of iBill. He does work closely with the acquiring bank and the EU processor on a number of other accounts and areas of business. Chris has one area of personal interest in respect to his company?s ownership of http:// www.toccata.com which does offer a service involving the use of Inteca as an escrow agent.

Inteca has contacted EU merchants who are owed funds for Visa transactions processed through iBill?s European bank through February 28th, 2005. This contact data has been provided to Inteca by iBill. Merchants are required to email Inteca their sponsored merchant id (SMID) as soon as possible. Note, this is not your merchant password. It is not necessary or advisable to send the password.

The reason for emailing the SMID is so that Inteca can match the listed email address against the SMID. It will be necessary for clients to log in to an Inteca web interface to download and sign a release document from the bank. The bank will not release the relevant funds unless the release document is signed by the merchant. Funds owed will be viewable through both the Inteca web interface as well as in the iBill merchant information area.

Inteca is making every effort to contact all eligible iBill EU merchants that will be receiving settlement through Inteca, but cannot guarantee it will be successful, mainly if email addresses are out of date or blocked.

All calls regarding Inteca should be submitted to the iBill sales and client service teams.

[Claude]

And it does blow that they email username and passwords that doesn´t work.

It´s weekend now, they should have waited until Monday and had taken their time to get it right. (although I think it´s nice that we are now getting emails and CMI updates on a more regular basis now).

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Claude

(although I think it´s nice that we are now getting emails and CMI updates on a more regular basis now).

Got a few hundred grand to lend me il send you lots of emails letting you know im not paying you , but i might someday , but most likely wont, Infact i cant really tell you much at all , only that i have setup a third company, i will pay them the money i owe you so dont ask me for it , ask them, they will have the money, once my bank releases my funds i will pay a portion of it to the third party company to hold for you while the "research" it and stuff.

[Claude]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Got a few hundred grand to lend me il send you lots of emails letting you know im not paying you , but i might someday , but most likely wont, Infact i cant really tell you much at all , only that i have setup a third company, i will pay them the money i owe you so dont ask me for it , ask them, they will have the money, once my bank releases my funds i will pay a portion of it to the third party company to hold for you while the "research" it and stuff.

SmartAss :-)

[Claude]

Just got this reply from Inteca after I mailed them about the invalid username/password combination:



I have passed your message onto our technical staff and hopefully we will
get this corrected shortly. There have been a number of others with the same
problem; we apologize for that.

[Webby]

Hi Claude!:-) Yes, understand the bullshit of iBill updates and their "reasons" - they fail miserably.

The facts are:

1) Inteca is not any recognized "organization". Ask any banker and anyone who has made the effort on research.

2) Despite being asked, they, (Inteca), avoid providing any credentials, even basic information regarding their officers/jurisdiction/address/contact info.

3) If, for one moment, there is any truth an in iBill update and Chris Williams is in fact independent of iBill and is legally in a position to enable him to act as an "entrusted escrow agent" - he has not said, nor has he or Inteca provided any credentials.

4) For some "non-profit assocation" with obvious ties to a iBill and no more than a $10 domain name as their sole known asset, to claim to be acting on behalf of webmasters involving serveral million dollars, - it is utter lunacy and in keeping the the previous iBill track record.


Basically there are serveral concerns:

Under no circumstances is this going to be another delaying ploy by iBill.

The full credentials of Inteca need to be known at the outset.

Depending on these credentials, this may have an effect on the status of any "non profit association" to perform this service. There are laws governing "non profit assocations" participating in financial services of this kind.

Last, why the hell should any webmaster even consider trusting iBill with any decision on escrow agents without knowing who they are??. Such a person/organization will have access to bank funds to dispense as they see fit. This is no different to throwing more funds at iBill.

It is not because banks want to be awkward that they are not dealing with iBill - it is because they DON'T TRUST iBILL or their "shareholders" :-) They have plenty good reasons.

This shit is gonna hit the fan shortly - iBill, Inteca or whatever they want to call themselves, - have a lot of unanswered questions remaining.


PS... There are plenty very reputable banks or bankers and people with impeccable reputations who will provide such escrow service "genuinely" independent of iBill (tho perhaps that's iBill's problem) - this crap stinks.

[Claude]

I agree with you Webby. I need to see the money on my account before I believe anything.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Claude

I agree with you Webby. I need to see the money on my account before I believe anything.

Just another thought Claude - I wanna see not one "unknown" individual being responsible (under the domain shell of an unknown "org") - but several people of good character taking responsibilty for issuing funds direct to webmasters and also being able to publish full accounting statements.

This is normal shit - but in iBill instance - it's the usual Galanis/Molina load of crap method of accounting so far. All they are good at is "talking" and shuffling worthless paper shares.

[willow]

Originally Posted by Webby

Hi Claude!:-) Yes, understand the bullshit of iBill updates and their "reasons" - they fail miserably.

The facts are:

1) Inteca is not any recognized "organization". Ask any banker and anyone who has made the effort on research.

2) Despite being asked, they, (Inteca), avoid providing any credentials, even basic information regarding their officers/jurisdiction/address/contact info.

3) If, for one moment, there is any truth an in iBill update and Chris Williams is in fact independent of iBill and is legally in a position to enable him to act as an "entrusted escrow agent" - he has not said, nor has he or Inteca provided any credentials.

4) For some "non-profit assocation" with obvious ties to a iBill and no more than a $10 domain name as their sole known asset, to claim to be acting on behalf of webmasters involving serveral million dollars, - it is utter lunacy and in keeping the the previous iBill track record.


Basically there are serveral concerns:

Under no circumstances is this going to be another delaying ploy by iBill.

The full credentials of Inteca need to be known at the outset.

Depending on these credentials, this may have an effect on the status of any "non profit association" to perform this service. There are laws governing "non profit assocations" participating in financial services of this kind.

Last, why the hell should any webmaster even consider trusting iBill with any decision on escrow agents without knowing who they are??. Such a person/organization will have access to bank funds to dispense as they see fit. This is no different to throwing more funds at iBill.

It is not because banks want to be awkward that they are not dealing with iBill - it is because they DON'T TRUST iBILL or their "shareholders" :-) They have plenty good reasons.

This shit is gonna hit the fan shortly - iBill, Inteca or whatever they want to call themselves, - have a lot of unanswered questions remaining.


PS... There are plenty very reputable banks or bankers and people with impeccable reputations who will provide such escrow service "genuinely" independent of iBill (tho perhaps that's iBill's problem) - this crap stinks.

Or maybe, just maybe, you're so angry you can't accept that somebody has managed to negotiate with the bank to release funds (where iBill couldn't) and get webmasters paid? After all his credentials are that he was able to get iBill a merchant account to process many millions a month in the first place. Of course he's in a better position than most to help. Why are you giving them such a hard time? What if you're wrong? I mean this is one hell of a story if it is a scam. Why go through it, why doesn't iBill just spend another 6 months keeping quiet and posting nothing at all on CMI?

I say grab a valium and see what happens.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Claude

I have passed your message onto our technical staff and hopefully we will
get this corrected shortly. There have been a number of others with the same
problem; we apologize for that.

Yea.. get an iBill techie to set up the password file correctly :-)

They need some help?

[Webby]

Originally Posted by willow

Or maybe, just maybe, you're so angry you can't accept that somebody has managed to negotiate with the bank to release funds (where iBill couldn't) and get webmasters paid? After all his credentials are that he was able to get iBill a merchant account to process many millions a month in the first place. Of course he's in a better position than most to help. Why are you giving them such a hard time? What if you're wrong? I mean this is one hell of a story if it is a scam. Why go through it, why doesn't iBill just spend another 6 months keeping quiet and posting nothing at all on CMI?

I say grab a valium and see what happens.

Hi willow.. Nope.. not angry. I just know a lot of other stuff and I don't trust *anything* from iBill management and certainly not from any "shareholder" :-)

If you are referring to the "talents" of Chris Williams - I'm sure he has many talents - don't we all? :-) I have no problem with Williams - tho he clearly has a problem saying exactly who he is and providing *any* contact info. I got talent and so has Martha Stewart :-)

I know of several in the banking community who are in a position ,and do, transact millions daily - this is not an asset - it's their job. By the way, these people have seen the "iBill file" and the response ranges from shaking of heads to uttering the word "Crap!".

At the moment on the scam thing.... it has obviously been badly managed so far in the release of announcements/plans. It remains to be seen the degree of scam (I ain't qualified to say that), but certainly know there have been several issues prior to this time that need addressed and a prima facie case of deceit, lying and possibly fraud of kinds, depending on the jurisdiction. In some other jurisdictions, iBill would already be terminated and the some of the "management" and "shareholders" awaiting trial.

Time will tell on all of this.. it has started already and will be "moving forward" this week.

If Chris Williams is as he is claimed to be - and in an "independent" position as a "trusted escrow agent" and can account for all funds - hell, nada problem! He has my full support - I'll even pay the guy - but, he needs to show credentials before anything else.

[Claude]

i can login now



Welcome to IntECA.

iBill has signed an agreement with IntECA to provide a third party audit function to identify client funds and to facilitate the release of these funds to (you) their EU sponsored merchants. All client funds will be maintained in a segregated account held by the European acquiring bank until the time of payout.



The information available to you on this site is confidential between IntECA and (you) the iBill EU sponsored merchant, however iBill may have access to some data and the EU acquiring bank and the processor may have access to all data.



We want to begin the iBill EU payout process as soon as possible. To move forward, we need the clients to view and sign a release document that comes into effect as payments are made.



iBill has provided IntECA with data outlining funds owed to clients up to February 28th, 2005. IntECA has completed an independent third party audit function validating the funds owed to clients. To date, there are several hundred merchants that have signed up for the program and we have received communications from many others. Please understand we are doing our best to respond accordingly.



For your information; below are the next steps that you will need to complete in order to receive your iBill EU payments from IntECA. The documents and information necessary to complete these steps will be made available to you here on this web site soon.



hahaha8729; Read the Release Document (when available) and decide if you wish to participate.



hahaha8729; The Release Document will confirm your desire to participate in the program as well as your validation of funds owed. This Release, and the payments to be made under it, is solely in respect to credit card transactions processed by the European bank and processor. IntECA has not reached agreement with iBill on the distribution of funds due to merchants from other payment methods, such as on-line checks, stored value cards and Web900. In addition, a portion of the MasterCard transactions have been processed by a Philippine bank. iBill is also responsible for payment of these MasterCard transactions. This may or may not be covered. If not, you would have a continuing claim against iBill directly for any such funds owed.



hahaha8729; The release document signature process will be divided into two parts. If the total amount due to you is less than $1,000, we will be able to accept an electronic confirmation to the agreement. However, if it is greater than that, we will need a signed form, which can be delivered by facsimile (fax number will be provided on the release document), or PDF over email to [email protected]. This is a requirement of our European bank.



hahaha8729; All payments need to be made by ACH or Wire transfer. As such, we will need details of your beneficiary bank account to process these payments. iBill has provided all EU sponsored merchants banking information to IntECA. You will need to confirm that this information is correct. If you are currently being paid by check, it will be necessary to provide bank details to be paid. A mechanism for providing this information will be made available on the IntECA site soon. The bank account should be in the name of the company or designated owner of the merchant agreement. If the currency of the account is other than US dollars, you should inform us, so the conversion can take place in order to lower transfer costs by making domestic transfer where possible.



Within the next two days, the balances owed to you will be available for review. This information will also be available on the iBill.com merchant information area. This data is not shared with any other merchant.



Finally, if there is any aspect of this structure you do not find acceptable, we should stress that you can withdraw from it at any time. You will continue to have claims against iBill in that case.

[Webby]

Thanks Claude! :-)

There is a lot of reading (and more to come) - it's lawyer time :-)

I know a few EU webmasters who are not going to be happy folks.

BTW... Is there some implant in the human brain in Deerfield Beech that compels everyone to use the term "moving forward" in every communication? :-)

[Webby]

Claude -

IntECA has completed an independent third party audit function validating the funds owed to clients.

Incorrect! An audit involves the feedback/verification of those owed money - this has not happened. Who are the auditors??

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Webby

Claude -


Incorrect! An audit involves the feedback/verification of those owed money - this has not happened. Who are the auditors??

My pet snake fluffy did the audit, i swear. Everything checked out , they are moving forward.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

My pet snake fluffy did the audit, i swear. Everything checked out , they are moving forward.

I don't mind paying Fluffy for the efforts - somehow I can trust that Paypal OK?

Bet he has a physical address and knows who the fuck he is and what jurisdiction of the backyard he operates in!

[Webby]

OK.. iBill have introduced the name Toccata into the scenario in connection with Christopher Williams and that is now "fair game":

Chris has one area of personal interest in respect to his company?s ownership of http:// www.toccata.com which does offer a service involving the use of Inteca as an escrow agent.

This still does not give any credibility to IntECA.org other than Mr Williams's offer in "the use of Inteca as an escrow agent".

Inteca at this moment is nothing and means nothing. Christopher Williams is the registant of the domain name inteca.org.

He is also known in connection with "Toccata" - several entities exist in different jurisdictions with this name and where Mr Williams has or had some connection.

One legal entity of "Toccata", Toccata Inc, has published physical addresses at the following locations, tho this list is not necessarily comprehensive:

Toccata Inc
1455 Pennsylvania Ave NW #1200
Washington, DC 20004
Phone: 202 638 1306

Toccata Inc
2200 SW 10th St.
Deerfield Beach, FL 33442
Phone: 954 363 4545
Fax: 901 543 0837

Toccata Inc
1560 SW 8th Avenue
Boca Raton, FL33486
Phone: 561 394 5561

Toccata Inc
16 South Gate Villas
St James Lane
Winchester
SO23 9SG
Phone: None
Fax: 801 729 9921

toccata.com has had some changes, - check out the secure area at:
https://www.toccata.com. What happened to Inteca.org?? We got that mixed up as well now and tocatta is both?

What has iBill's claim of owning http:// www.toccata.com got to do with Christopher Williams's acting an an escrow agent? Toccata Inc appears to be an entity selling currency conversion software.

Tocatta Inc has stated that it operates/operated from 2200 SW 10th Street, Deerfield Beach and also contained links to the following companies with whom, it claimed to be in partnership:

http://www.ibill.com iBill - Internet Billing Company - Molina/Galanis
http://www.ibill.com Certegy - Certegy Inc - Florida
http://www.ibill.com Tariffic - Molina/Galanis
http://www.ibill.com Intercept Technology Inc - Molina/Galanis
http://www.sharedglobal.com Shared Global Systems Inc
http://www.upbank.com UpBank.com - Union Planters
http://www.allcash.de ALLCASH.de

I don't know Williams or any of his associates and have no comment on them. The remaining known facts speak for themselves - this is an incestous iBill situation and 100% not rational or normal, probably caused - at least at this stage, - by the fact they are totally inept and lack credibility.

I'd hate to see what picture emerges for US webmasters and "trusted third party escrow agents" - that's gonna be "Daffy Duck c/o Disneyland, Orlando", but, he is only acting on behalf of the Vector Molina Trust and helped out by Nexcend "shareholders"... and Daffy absolves himself of all responsiblity in the small print - take it or leave it - and, we are too busy to answer any email.

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by Claude

(although I think it´s nice that we are now getting emails and CMI updates on a more regular basis now).

The ONLY, and I repeat ONLY, thing the Ibill CMI is good for anymore is for keeping a record of all their broken promises and lies which my attorney can use against them.

IBILL UP THE ASS WITH A REALLY POINTY STICK!

[Calvinguy]

My login works fine.

The only information in there at this moment is my address and my sponsored merchant ID.

Anyone know what the level number means?

[FightThisPatent]

I have been reading all these ibill threads, and i can understand the frustration of EU webmasters since the info you have received could be confusing. Avnonline and xbiz ran stories on the inteca/ibill/EU thing, so let me try to summarize things:

Inteca (which has same principal owners of Toccata) has been approved by the EU bank to hold funds in escrow for dispursements to EU webmasters directly, w/o iBill being able to touch the money (i think the bank was seeing the "taking from peter to pay pay" kind of story and put a stop to that).

As far as Inteca;s credibility goes, Chris Wlliams doesn't have to answer that in any GFY thread. His integrity is obviously good enough for the EU bank to be able to release large amounts of moneys to, in order to make the payouts to webmaster.

As far as having similar physical addresses, it has been said that Chris held a position in EU iBill, so having some space at iBill makes sense. Inteca and Toccata were probably incubating in the physical space as ibill (subletted, etc), so it's not a big mystery.

The iBill situation is a mess, and many people that I know were and are affected by the situation. The Inteca deal is a good thing for EU webmasters, and Inteca had alot of hurdles to overcome to be able to step into the middle of the normal money transaction from Bank to iBill to webmasters, so its understandable that things are slowly coming online (ie. the complaints that some have posted about trying to access inteca).

I hope this helps to summarize things for EU webmasters. I would say to have patience, and wait as Inteca is able to finalize all the many moving pieces in order to help solve the problem of getting EU webmasters paid.

Fight the Confusion!

[Webby]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

I have been reading all these ibill threads, and i can understand the frustration of EU webmasters since the info you have received could be confusing. Avnonline and xbiz ran stories on the inteca/ibill/EU thing, so let me try to summarize things:

Inteca (which has same principal owners of Toccata) has been approved by the EU bank to hold funds in escrow for dispursements to EU webmasters directly, w/o iBill being able to touch the money (i think the bank was seeing the "taking from peter to pay pay" kind of story and put a stop to that).

As far as Inteca;s credibility goes, Chris Wlliams doesn't have to answer that in any GFY thread. His integrity is obviously good enough for the EU bank to be able to release large amounts of moneys to, in order to make the payouts to webmaster.

As far as having similar physical addresses, it has been said that Chris held a position in EU iBill, so having some space at iBill makes sense. Inteca and Toccata were probably incubating in the physical space as ibill (subletted, etc), so it's not a big mystery.

The iBill situation is a mess, and many people that I know were and are affected by the situation. The Inteca deal is a good thing for EU webmasters, and Inteca had alot of hurdles to overcome to be able to step into the middle of the normal money transaction from Bank to iBill to webmasters, so its understandable that things are slowly coming online (ie. the complaints that some have posted about trying to access inteca).

I hope this helps to summarize things for EU webmasters. I would say to have patience, and wait as Inteca is able to finalize all the many moving pieces in order to help solve the problem of getting EU webmasters paid.

Fight the Confusion!

FightThisPatent - Understand what you are saying it that is a nice picture and one I'd prefer to believe given any option.

The problem first arises from Inteca - a totally unknown entity without a physical address or any other "substance" which any normal "org" would have no problems providing data on.

On Chris Williams - I personally don't give a damn who he is or past glories. All that is known at this time is his "organization", Inteca, refuses to issue any information, down to simple levels of contact or even state which laws they operate under. I don't deal with "unknowns" or stories about "approval of EU banks", especially where iBill is concerned.

The fact that Mr Williams held any position at iBill is not to his credit. This was a company stupid enough to rely on one US bank, First Data, and was sold to Molina/Gallanis and others with debts which were clearly non-sustainable, tho, InterCept agreed to take on those debts - with what result?

One my worth - unless some serious proposals for settlement arise *very* shortly, - I'm interested in iBill being terminated by others and passed to genuinely independent recievers appointed by a court and without any further appointments by iBill of contaminated "third party escrow agents" or "updates" and an inquiry into iBill from prior to the day Intecerpt became involved.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by Webby

One my worth - unless some serious proposals for settlement arise *very* shortly, - I'm interested in iBill being terminated by others and passed to genuinely independent recievers appointed by a court and without any further appointments by iBill of contaminated "third party escrow agents" or "updates" and an inquiry into iBill from prior to the day Intecerpt became involved.

What court? What "rights" do you think you have to make any demands as to who the escrow agent is? You truly are in a powerless position right now, and one that I don't envy and i understand the frustration.

The point is that the EU bank that handled the CC transactions for EU iBilll STOPPED sending payments to iBILL because they saw that EU webmasters weren't getting paid. In order for EU webmasters to get paid, SOME solution was needed. Inteca stepped in as being the third party, and for whatever credintials, etc, the EU Bank agreed to the deal.

It doesn't matter whether you trust Inteca or not. It doesn't even matter if you find Chris Williams to have any integrity at all. What matters is that the EU bank will be releasing the funds to Inteca for disbursements to be made.

If Inteca doesn't do what they are supposed to do, don't you think that the EU bank will know how to track Inteca down? Don't you think that the bank will have some kind of assurances in place that Inteca isn't a scam?

I realize that lack of info and some creative detective work have added alot of fuel to this blazing fire... wild speculations and lack of facts to a disservice to everyone. I hope that by me cutting right to the points, that those that are uncertain about what is going on can focus on the facts, rather than the speculations.


Fight the Patience comes to those that wait!

[chodadog]

How "third party" can one be when they have previously worked for/with iBill and have shared office space with iBill (at the very least).

[chodadog]

Also, it must be asked. Would this bank have allowed Inteca to become a third party escrow agent had they known about the links to iBill? I mean, it's only through internet sleuthing that this link was brought to light. It could have easily been overlooked.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

What court? What "rights" do you think you have to make any demands as to who the escrow agent is? You truly are in a powerless position right now, and one that I don't envy and i understand the frustration.

All webmasters who are creditors of iBill have full rights in court to be paid on a due date. This has not happened. No webmaster is obliged to even listen to any iBill-appointed escrow agent. There are also other options in this instance.

The point is that the EU bank that handled the CC transactions for EU iBilll STOPPED sending payments to iBILL because they saw that EU webmasters weren't getting paid. In order for EU webmasters to get paid, SOME solution was needed. Inteca stepped in as being the third party, and for whatever credintials, etc, the EU Bank agreed to the deal.

Totally agree! If, and there is absolutely no evidence this is the case, Mr Williams and Inteca have stepped in to offer "independent escrow agent services" - that is commendable and I'd credit him for even considering help clean this mess up.

It doesn't matter whether you trust Inteca or not. It doesn't even matter if you find Chris Williams to have any integrity at all. What matters is that the EU bank will be releasing the funds to Inteca for disbursements to be made.

It sure does matter to creditors whether they trust Inteca. This is the "organization" - so far, worth nothing, that is being entrusted with webmaster funds.

If Inteca doesn't do what they are supposed to do, don't you think that the EU bank will know how to track Inteca down? Don't you think that the bank will have some kind of assurances in place that Inteca isn't a scam?

Ask yourself... what is Inteca? As far as is known at this time it is a $10 domain name - not any legal entity. The supposed participants in this $10 domain name are also either unwilling or unable to state basic credentials, such as an address, jurisdiction, phone or fax numbers. Basically, it is a "nothing". What makes you think a bank is dealing with a domain name called inteca.org?? It is reasonable to assume a bank will want full credentials presented - these sure are not "inteca.org" as we know it.

I realize that lack of info and some creative detective work have added alot of fuel to this blazing fire... wild speculations and lack of facts to a disservice to everyone. I hope that by me cutting right to the points, that those that are uncertain about what is going on can focus on the facts, rather than the speculations.

There is very little "wild speculation" so far - simply facts. These facts are not in any doubt. I won't go thru em all again - it's too boring :-) Even "creative detectives" would not accept the number of total coincidences so far - even forgetting the facts.

But... in conjuction with the already known conduct of iBill for lying, deception, broken promises and several other issues which, so far, have not been mentioned - there is 100% reason not to trust *anything* at face value and little doubts, this saga will continue even after any future demise of iBill.

The flip side of the coin is that if Christopher Williams is, as he is painted to be by iBill (DUH?), - namely a person genuinely acting as an independent escrow agent - the man has my 100% support and I'd even pay him! :-) But.. that is not the case at this time for all the reasons stated previously on this thread.

This smells like the usual iBill screwup in presenting anything - time will tell.

[Webby]

FightThisPatent - BTW... We are talking about people in iBill with "associates" and relationships with a string of convictions (some ongoing) spread among them - from securities fraud, felony theft, drug offences blah. Sure, it's "normal" for any reputable financial services corps have "shareholders" in court on this shit :-)

If there was something funny in it - it was an occasion when young Galanis needed to dump $2M on a table, but could not explain the source of funds.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by chodadog

Also, it must be asked. Would this bank have allowed Inteca to become a third party escrow agent had they known about the links to iBill? I mean, it's only through internet sleuthing that this link was brought to light. It could have easily been overlooked.

I believe that the EU bank DOES know all about Inteca's relationship with iBIll and that it made it a plus for Inteca to be the third party.

Confidential iBILL information on webmasters and payouts have to be given to a third party to handle the disbursements. If Inteca knows/understands the internal iBill accounting system, then it would have an easier time with the datadump and the management of the accounting.

A complete outsider company would have to be able gain the trust of both the EU bank and iBill to be the "escrow agent", and not every bank would step forward to get involved with this kind of unusal arrangement. Remember, this is adult transactions, and VERY few banks want to get involved with adult.

I believe that most banks would avoid being the middleman in the arrnagement and other escrow type companies may not be suited to handle the level of involvement it takes to be the middle man of handling thousands of micro transactions.

The people that do the actual work at iBill do what they are told. Upper management (ie. CEO) calls the shots. And everyone from Cathy B. on down does what they are told to do.

If the CEO says "take from paul to pay peter", then that's what they have to do as a form of "creative financing". The situation is that the EU bank saw this and forced executive management to make a significant change that effectively put them out of the loop as far as being able to control the money.

Anyone working at iBill, like Chris, did not make the decisions to do the "creative financing". As long as Chris was not responsible for the money situation decision (which is the CEO's responsibility), then it's not exactly tainted that he is involved

I agree, it does cause room to pause and wonder, when you see addresses matching up, and names and entities being associated with iBill.

If you start reading about EU webmasters getting their checks from Inteca, then we can all see that alot of speculation was rightfully conceived, but missing additional facts that are/were explainable.

More forthcoming information and explanations would certainly have helped, but the CMI updates atleast explain that there is a change going on and hopefully for the better for EU webmasters.

Time will tell.


Fight the Fishy Smells!

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by Webby

All webmasters who are creditors of iBill have full rights in court to be paid on a due date. This has not happened. No webmaster is obliged to even listen to any iBill-appointed escrow agent. There are also other options in this instance.

I am not aware, nor have followed any EU court litigation, and not even sure if there is any filed. There are definitely some US cases filed, but that's not part of the EU iBill issues.

If there is an open court case in EU, then I am sure the judge would be talking to the EU Bank and talking to Inteca and probably come up with the resolution to allow the EU Bank to do the deal with Inteca to resolve the money problems.

So the "creditors" don't have any place for their "demands" about knowing about the third party escrow agent. News of what is going on is posted via CMI (though vague to webmasters), but there is not much else to do besides vent on a public board, about a matter that is private between the EU Bank, Inteca, and iBill.

The end result is that EU webmasters get paid. If this doesn't happen, then both the EU bank and the EU court systems will come down on Inteca. For Inteca to assume this kind of liability, you can only assume that they do have the right plan to execute on all of this.


Fight the Constantly Misunderstood Information!

[chodadog]

I guess another question is how do we even know that their European Bank has in fact given the funds to Inteca? Do we even know if their bank is aware of the situation? I mean, all we have to go on is iBill's word, and c'mon, not exactly credible at this point. This could just be another elaborate lie to buy them more time.

I don't even know what this suggests, but i also think it's interesting that one of the other sites hosted on the same IP as toccata.com (Which we know is run by the same people that run Inteca) is segpay.com, which appears to be a european third party biller. Opened their doors on the 5th of Feb, 2005. Interesting timing. Then they partnered with Inteca.org on 14th of February. Again, interesting timing.

So what do we have here. We have a new IPSP that was setup by a former iBill employee who is now the CEO of Toccata and is the domain registrant of Inteca.org at the same time that they are becoming an escrow agent for iBill's EU funds. 3rd party? Seems like a stretch.

http://www.segpay.com

No address on their website. No phone number. WHOIS is privacy protected. Seems strange for an IPSP, no?

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by chodadog

So what do we have here. We have a new IPSP that was setup by a former iBill employee who is now the CEO of Toccata and is the domain registrant of Inteca.org at the same time that they are becoming an escrow agent for iBill's EU funds. 3rd party? Seems like a stretch.

Yes, there is alot of commonality going on as you observed... but we all are involved in many different projects at the same time, even having multiple companies running at the same time. If all the entities have items in common, then the synergy makes sense.

I am by no means defending any other companys' actions, just making my own observations over this most agititating situation to EU webmasters.


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[iforgotmyscreenname]

Webby what are you going to do if Ibill goes under or pays up?

Judging by the content and length of the majority of your post on gfy, you wont have much to talk about i

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[Webby]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

I am not aware, nor have followed any EU court litigation, and not even sure if there is any filed. There are definitely some US cases filed, but that's not part of the EU iBill issues.

If there is an open court case in EU, then I am sure the judge would be talking to the EU Bank and talking to Inteca and probably come up with the resolution to allow the EU Bank to do the deal with Inteca to resolve the money problems.

So the "creditors" don't have any place for their "demands" about knowing about the third party escrow agent. News of what is going on is posted via CMI (though vague to webmasters), but there is not much else to do besides vent on a public board, about a matter that is private between the EU Bank, Inteca, and iBill.

The end result is that EU webmasters get paid. If this doesn't happen, then both the EU bank and the EU court systems will come down on Inteca. For Inteca to assume this kind of liability, you can only assume that they do have the right plan to execute on all of this.


Fight the Constantly Misunderstood Information!

Inteca? A judge talk to Inteca??? What is Inteca? A judge wants to talk to a $10 internet domain. I don't think so :-)

This part re Inteca/Chris Williams is only part of the iBill problem - the main part, US payments, remains unresolved. Although this thread was concerned more on the current EU issue, - iBill have elected to be a US/Georgia corp operating out of Florida and all creditors of iBill, whether EU or US based have options open in court.

Any escrow agent appointed by iBill is free to keep himself/organization a secret if he so wishes and, no webmaster is under any obligation to listen to either iBill's shit on this subject or pay any attention to an unknown escrow agent, Inteca. This will obviously reduce any chance of success. This is not a court matter - claiming funds/damages from iBill are, regardless of any escrow agent.

You are correct in that cases have been filed in Florida courts and iBill, - least as is known today, still operates under the terms of Georgia law as a Limited Liability Company. (There have been numerous changes to the corp paperwork for IBill recently.)

All creditors of iBill have full rights to make claims for all funds, damages, interest blah by filing suits. There are also other options which I won't say here. Upon judgement, should iBill fail to "deliver" on the court's judgement - the next stage can be that of an application by iBill under Chapter whatever - assuming a judge will hear this or liquidation. In one existing case the judge has declared "iBill's problems are all of their own making".

iBill have entered into agreements to avoid court judgement already and have failed to deliver on this - yet another example of "promises" that failed. There is activity now to follow up on this, plus several other avenues.

On Inteca and Chris Williams, if Mr Williams is in fact operating as a third-party and, (see segpay.com) attempting to establish more security for webmasters within the third party processing model - this is excellent. But, there still remains a total lack of transparency and unknown fundamental facts. Until these are answered, there is no reason to consider Inteca a valid "association" even outside any iBill scenario.

It is also interesting to note that this non-profit association has one member at last check and segpay is "partnering" with this organization. We all have to start somewhere, but this presents a weak picture when connected to iBill's curcumstances.

Bottom line is.. whether iBill/Inteca/Williams think so or not - there is a requirement for transparency. Until that happens, why should anyone even waste time listening to bullshit? Give what is currently known to an attorney or banker and they'd burst out laughing - and have done so already when presented with the "iBill file".

Personally, I don't care about iBill/InterCept/PHSL/Molina/Gallanis - they have demonstrated what real trash is. They have been a blot on the landscape for a long time now and, apart from webmasters as creditors, have caused nothing but harm/damage all around. It is overdue time for the cancer to be removed and look forward to watching surgeons operate.

[quiet]

jesus you write huge ass posts consistently.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by quiet

jesus you write huge ass posts consistently.

Yes, and so do I. Webby has brought up alot of good observations to help those tracking this story to atleast put things into perspective.


Fight the Short Posts!

[Webby]

Originally Posted by quiet

jesus you write huge ass posts consistently.

Hell.. sorry quiet!!!

I won't even try to publish the whole file then??

[chodadog]

Webby was the one that sparked my interest in the iBill fiasco recently. This guy's doing a top job of keeping everyone informed and encouraging the rest of us to do some looking for ourselves. Kudos!

[Webby]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

Yes, and so do I. Webby has brought up alot of good observations to help those tracking this story to atleast put things into perspective.


Fight the Short Posts!

I think it maybe needs a pdf file complete with all the legal agreements broken, the email bullshit, nice illustrations of all Molina/Galanis associates, together with their criminals records, all email and documentation that prove any point and... all promises by iBill to deliver "evidence" where they have failed.

That's chapter one....

[Webby]

Originally Posted by chodadog

Webby was the one that sparked my interest in the iBill fiasco recently. This guy's doing a top job of keeping everyone informed and encouraging the rest of us to do some looking for ourselves. Kudos!

Hi Kudos! I feel like some bitch in a neurotic frenzy!

It is more of offense listening to the blantant bullshit scamming of iBill than any money concerns - just hate liars, especially those who keep secrets :-)

[quiet]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

Yes, and so do I. Webby has brought up alot of good observations to help those tracking this story to atleast put things into perspective.


Fight the Short Posts!

i have more interest in what happens to ibill than anyone else who's posted in this thread.

fight my asshole.

[chodadog]

Quiet: Out of curiousity, is there any reason you haven't switched from iBill? And i know that question can probably be interpreted as me being a smug little prick, but it's a sincere question.

[chodadog]

I noticed even ARS are still using iBill, which really shocked me. Made me think that maybe they knew something that the rest of us didn't.

[iforgotmyscreenname]

Originally Posted by chodadog

I noticed even ARS are still using iBill, which really shocked me. Made me think that maybe they knew something that the rest of us didn't.

Although alot of webmasters might take what is said on gfy as Rule of thumb not everyone feeds into the "drama" created on message boards, some take a look at the big picture as far as the industry,there past history with ibill and there own personal financial situation beofredeciding on wether re-maining with IBILL as a primary,secondary or alternate processor is a good idea.Not saying what is said here is false..but everthing must be put into perspective..one that suits ones own personal situation.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by iforgotmyscreenname

Although alot of webmasters might take what is said on gfy as Rule of thumb not everyone feeds into the "drama" created on message boards, some take a look at the big picture as far as the industry,there past history with ibill and there own personal financial situation beofredeciding on wether re-maining with IBILL as a primary,secondary or alternate processor is a good idea.Not saying what is said here is false..but everthing must be put into perspective..one that suits ones own personal situation.

Ya got that right! It depends on individual circumstances. I've written iBill off already - but will stay with this on principle for however long it takes.

The truth be known - iBill may have been crap prior to this time, but that's they way they are, and I got nada problem dealing with them on that basis.

One thing is certain... under no circumstances would I dream of dealing with them again while the current tainted management exist (not talking about all the decent people at iBill), but other influences from IncerCept/PHSL/Molina/Galanis or any "shareholders" - they have proven they are untrustworthy, incapable and plenty more.

For all the genuine people trying to help at this time - good luck to em!!

[Webby]

Originally Posted by iforgotmyscreenname

Webby what are you going to do if Ibill goes under or pays up?

Judging by the content and length of the majority of your post on gfy, you wont have much to talk about i

Simple!

If iBill pay up and the management and "shareholders" jump into the sea - that is the best result.

Na... got plenty other shit to talk about - and with shorter posts that waste less time than posting about trash! :-)