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Jake · 04-12-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fetish

We use Netbilling as our only processor and are very pleased and we do not have an affiliate program currently but are thinking of adding one.

Does cascading really add many sales when you have your own merchant account and are able to set your own fraud scrubbing levels? Does anyone have any data to show? Also, is anyone doing cascading for products sales or it is all memberships?

In your particular situation cascading may not do much to increase your bottom line from CC transactions however you may see an increase if you were to cascade from CC to Checks to Phone, etc?

I think a more important question is, what happens when your merchant bank decides they no longer want to process adult transactions? You've now lost 100% of your rebills. Yeah, your customer data is yours and you'll just move it to another processor, yada, yada, yada. It sounds great in theory however I'm quite sure it's not so seamless in the real world.

I'm thinking it would be a much better strategy to spread that risk across multiple processors. Additionally, if you loose your merchant bank for whatever reason and you have a true cascading solution you can immediately switch over to another processor in your cascade. So, you don't have any downtime waiting to set-up with a new processor. If nothing else, I would look at cascading as an "insurance policy".

OY · 04-12-2005, 12:53 PM

Jake, you do NOT want to cascade from a CC procerror to a check processor. A true cascade should be only between CC processors be it gatway solutions or third party processors. You should also do a GeoIP lookup of your surfers and optimize your joinforms accordingly to maximize each and every potential customer to the best purchase platform for that individual.

And just by adding a true cascade in the mix, instead of using a single processor, you whould easily see 20% more joins. Some days more, som days less...

Nathan · 04-12-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Oystein

Jake, you do NOT want to cascade from a CC procerror to a check processor. A true cascade should be only between CC processors be it gatway solutions or third party processors. You should also do a GeoIP lookup of your surfers and optimize your joinforms accordingly to maximize each and every potential customer to the best purchase platform for that individual.

And just by adding a true cascade in the mix, instead of using a single processor, you whould easily see 20% more joins. Some days more, som days less...

Hi Oystein, just curious, why would you not suggest cascading from CC to Checks? CC directly to check might not be perfect, but if you have no other CC biller, why not at least try to do the sale via Checks?

Also, I was curious there in general, can you tell me what you mean by "true" cascade? Never fully understand your point of view on what a "true" cascade is.

Thanks!

OY · 04-12-2005, 01:39 PM

nevermind...

Paparazzi · 04-12-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake

We'll continue to offer CCBill as an option regardless of which backend solution we choose although I find it hard to believe that anyone would choose "CCBill only" over a "cascading solution that included CCBill".

Any particular reason why you would make this choice? This same question goes out to others who have made similar comments in this thread.

I simply convert better with ccbill only programs. Great to see you keep the ccbill option regardless

foolio · 04-12-2005, 04:16 PM

as long as ALL OLD links work I do not care lol. BUT I like CCBILL programs and use them more than anything else. It just makes everything easy in the end, but you will have everybody saying this about whatever proggy you use.

Pornopat · 04-12-2005, 04:40 PM

Whatever you decide. I will continue promoting you.
The program has been good to me.

JFK · 04-12-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

Whatever you decide. I will continue promoting you.
The program has been good to me.

as it has to a lot of other wms

NickB. · 04-12-2005, 05:10 PM

Jake we have great results with using NATS, great support and almost no problems ever.

If you you wanna talk more feel free to hit me up on icq bro

Ive seen your ratio's before and they rocked, it can only get better with cashcading.

Brad Mitchell · 04-12-2005, 05:59 PM

I want to learn more about Executive Stats. I know enough about NATS and MPA but have no experience with Brad's software.

Cheers,

Brad

Jake · 04-12-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

Whatever you decide. I will continue promoting you.
The program has been good to me.

And we greatly appreciate your traffic!

venus · 04-12-2005, 07:56 PM

Fetish
I use netbilling also.
If you have the fraud stuff set to low or none (as I do) then your not scrubbing and thus no reason to try to get the surfer approved through another billing company, if he gets a decline, then its because of his card, sending him to another processor probably will not make a difference. No money is no money no matter what processor your going through and if he does not have have moeny, I defiently do not want him trying to float a check and have it bounce. cascading is probably good for 3rd party processors because they have such huge fraud lists and someone may have ended up on the list by accident (ie .. site is a rip off, wants refund, denied, chargesback.. or something to that effect)

cascading will not work between cards and checks because true cascading should be seamless, the customer should not know he was declined by one and passed to the other. if "cascading to checks" the customer would have to refill in all the information - not seamless so its not cascading, its just forwarded to another payment option.

If your merchant bank decides to close its doors to adult businesses, netbilling has all your rebilling info, you simply put in your other merchant ID and continue on without missing a beat. your not going to lose all that money, like people using Ibill might and people who got ripped by DMR several years ago. If you do not have a second merchant account just for that reason, it may be a good idea if you think your bank will close.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fetish

Does cascading really add many sales when you have your own merchant account and are able to set your own fraud scrubbing levels? Does anyone have any data to show? Also, is anyone doing cascading for products sales or it is all memberships?

Jake · 04-12-2005, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nickbaauw

Jake we have great results with using NATS, great support and almost no problems ever.

If you you wanna talk more feel free to hit me up on icq bro

Ive seen your ratio's before and they rocked, it can only get better with cashcading.

Hey Nick, it was great seeing you again in Phoenix! Glad you're pleased with our ratios.

NickB. · 04-12-2005, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake

Hey Nick, it was great seeing you again in Phoenix! Glad you're pleased with our ratios.

allie is just so beautifull that she sells no matter what.
As for program Jake please hit me up me on on icq when you have the time

Zprogramz · 04-12-2005, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by venus

Fetish
I use netbilling also.
If you have the fraud stuff set to low or none (as I do) then your not scrubbing and thus no reason to try to get the surfer approved through another billing company, if he gets a decline, then its because of his card, sending him to another processor probably will not make a difference. No money is no money no matter what processor your going through and if he does not have have moeny, I defiently do not want him trying to float a check and have it bounce. cascading is probably good for 3rd party processors because they have such huge fraud lists and someone may have ended up on the list by accident (ie .. site is a rip off, wants refund, denied, chargesback.. or something to that effect)

cascading will not work between cards and checks because true cascading should be seamless, the customer should not know he was declined by one and passed to the other. if "cascading to checks" the customer would have to refill in all the information - not seamless so its not cascading, its just forwarded to another payment option.

If your merchant bank decides to close its doors to adult businesses, netbilling has all your rebilling info, you simply put in your other merchant ID and continue on without missing a beat. your not going to lose all that money, like people using Ibill might and people who got ripped by DMR several years ago. If you do not have a second merchant account just for that reason, it may be a good idea if you think your bank will close.

We have a merchant account through Merrick bank (same as CCbill from what I am told), Humboldt, and offshore all running through Netbilling. So if one happens to not want to do adult anymore, we have other to simply plug into the merchant account field in the Netbilling admin and away we go with no loss of revenue.

Z

Pipecrew · 04-12-2005, 08:53 PM

i would go with whichever one didnt come to this thread begging for business.

BradShaw · 04-12-2005, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I want to learn more about Executive Stats. I know enough about NATS and MPA but have no experience with Brad's software.

Cheers,

Brad

Hit Greg up for a demo. It speaks for itself.

Fetish · 04-13-2005, 09:13 AM

Has anyone used Taboo revenue for affiliate tracking? I know it is relatively inexpensive.

Fetish · 04-13-2005, 12:08 PM

bump for an answer

MediumPimpin · 04-13-2005, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew

i would go with whichever one didnt come to this thread begging for business.

That would be my choice, oh wait it is

04-12-2005, 12:53 PM	#52
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	Jake, you do NOT want to cascade from a CC procerror to a check processor. A true cascade should be only between CC processors be it gatway solutions or third party processors. You should also do a GeoIP lookup of your surfers and optimize your joinforms accordingly to maximize each and every potential customer to the best purchase platform for that individual. And just by adding a true cascade in the mix, instead of using a single processor, you whould easily see 20% more joins. Some days more, som days less... __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

04-12-2005, 01:39 PM	#54
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	nevermind... __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within! Last edited by OY; 04-12-2005 at 01:41 PM.. Reason: just realized that I revealed too many industry secrets, so I deleted my own post which was a reply to Nathan.....

04-12-2005, 04:16 PM	#56
foolio ICQ: 178725656 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 12,366	as long as ALL OLD links work I do not care lol. BUT I like CCBILL programs and use them more than anything else. It just makes everything easy in the end, but you will have everybody saying this about whatever proggy you use. __________________

04-12-2005, 04:40 PM	#57
Pornopat AdultTubeSubmits.com Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 10,598	Whatever you decide. I will continue promoting you. The program has been good to me. __________________ https://stripcash.com/sign-up/?userI...fff832eb95ab6a

04-12-2005, 05:59 PM	#60
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	I want to learn more about Executive Stats. I know enough about NATS and MPA but have no experience with Brad's software. Cheers, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

04-12-2005, 05:10 PM	#59
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	Jake we have great results with using NATS, great support and almost no problems ever. If you you wanna talk more feel free to hit me up on icq bro Ive seen your ratio's before and they rocked, it can only get better with cashcading.

04-12-2005, 08:53 PM	#66
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	i would go with whichever one didnt come to this thread begging for business.

04-13-2005, 09:13 AM	#68
Fetish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 823	Has anyone used Taboo revenue for affiliate tracking? I know it is relatively inexpensive.

04-13-2005, 12:08 PM	#69
Fetish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 823	bump for an answer