Are there any real programmers on GFY or just a bunch of wannabe kids? - GoFuckYourself.com

Antonio · 04-17-2005, 10:39 AM

Can you beat this:

Fake Nick · 04-17-2005, 10:40 AM

no , those cant be beaten

swedguy · 04-17-2005, 10:44 AM

Good luck

Spunky · 04-17-2005, 10:45 AM

What am I looking for?

chupachups · 04-17-2005, 10:45 AM

that will be tough.......

Antonio · 04-17-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

no , those cant be beaten

They can, and they have been beaten with up to 93% success, I've read articles on the Internet, and if its on the Internet it must be true ;)

ssp · 04-17-2005, 10:48 AM

Everything can be beaten. It just takes time and money.

fl_prn_str · 04-17-2005, 10:48 AM

for the ladies

sexdwarf · 04-17-2005, 10:50 AM

the captcha system as is used in that scenario is alot harder to "read" programatically... while considerd impossible even by myself; i do think it would be doable with the right algorithmes... the main issue for a system like that would be the computation time... a standard captcha system isvery crackable and can be broken down in a matter of seconds (0.7 seconds is the fastest i have gotten it on a simplistic distortion)...some thing like the ones you are showing have advanced distortion applied and the false-positive ratio can/would go to hell in a hand basket...

anyhow what i am getting to;it can be done but the time the computer would spend attempting to decipher it could actually become slower than a human...

contact me on icq...

sexdwarf · 04-17-2005, 10:56 AM

oh and in regards to real programmers vs wanna be kids...

i've been programming for the 14 years; i have worked with fortne 100, 500's; global 100's; government agencies... i've got experience with more programming languages than i have fingers and toes... i'm far from a wannabe; so hope that answers your question...

Fuckin Bill · 04-17-2005, 11:07 AM

While it may be extremely difficult, anything mathematical is solvable. The program that creates the graphic is based on math, and the program to try and read it would be based on math. It's just a matter of the right formula. While an average programmer might have a hard time with it, a programmer working with the right mathematical brain could do it.

Antonio · 04-17-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sexdwarf

the captcha system as is used in that scenario is alot harder to "read" programatically... while considerd impossible even by myself; i do think it would be doable with the right algorithmes... the main issue for a system like that would be the computation time... a standard captcha system isvery crackable and can be broken down in a matter of seconds (0.7 seconds is the fastest i have gotten it on a simplistic distortion)...some thing like the ones you are showing have advanced distortion applied and the false-positive ratio can/would go to hell in a hand basket...

anyhow what i am getting to;it can be done but the time the computer would spend attempting to decipher it could actually become slower than a human...

contact me on icq...

So basically I'm better off hiring a $20.00/day to do whatever I'm trying to do?

Antonio · 04-17-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

So basically I'm better off hiring a $20.00/day to do whatever I'm trying to do?

$20.00/day = $20.00/day guy

adonthenet · 04-17-2005, 11:12 AM

yeah do it.

sexdwarf · 04-17-2005, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuckin Bill

While it may be extremely difficult, anything mathematical is solvable. The program that creates the graphic is based on math, and the program to try and read it would be based on math. It's just a matter of the right formula. While an average programmer might have a hard time with it, a programmer working with the right mathematical brain could do it.

while mostly true there is one thing that should be mentioned... the idea behind the captcha system is a standard turing test; a method to differentiate from human intelligence and artificial intelligence...the main difference is the use of optics for decoding it... even in a simple captcha system like the one fl_prn_str posted; requires more than mathematics to crack it (i know, i've done it)... while mathematics is the bulk of it there is a need to emulate the optical part of the system, therefor integrating an advanced OCR type system... the main issue is the flexibility that the human brain has when linked with our eyes and the more strict guidelines that a computer program would have to follow...

in the end, yes the one displayed by antonio (a sample captcha from a hotmail signup i presume) is far more complicated than the one fl_prn_str displayed (craigslist example), yet it can eventually be cracked with the write programming... just as a note though, the hotmail one has to be the most complicated one i've seen with very simple modifications... even the aim and yahoo captcha systems would be easier and have a higher hit ratio than the hotmail one...

woj · 04-17-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sexdwarf

false-positive ratio can/would go to hell in a hand basket...

The key is that this doesn't have to work 90%, 50% or even 25% of the time. If the algorithm decodes it only 10% of the time, and if for example hotmail gives you 5 tries before banning your ip. You only need on average 2 proxies for each signup.

And getting it work 10% of the time is quite doable given enough time and $$$.

sexdwarf · 04-17-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

The key is that this doesn't have to work 90%, 50% or even 25% of the time. If the algorithm decodes it only 10% of the time, and if for example hotmail gives you 5 tries before banning your ip. You only need on average 2 proxies for each signup.

And getting it work 10% of the time is quite doable given enough time and $$$.

obviously a failsafe would always be built in to something like this; however if it's any less than 75% positive it's quite useless... working proxies are not easy to come by anymore; plus they add in a certain level of delay; and in the event of 10% as you suggested you would most likely need alot more proxies than 2... 10 tries does not equal 10% ;)

personally i wouldn't be satisified unless the system was 95% efficient...

fuzebox · 04-17-2005, 12:15 PM

I find a lot of these are so ridiculous it takes me 3-4 tries to actually enter it properly myself.

woj · 04-17-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sexdwarf

obviously a failsafe would always be built in to something like this; however if it's any less than 75% positive it's quite useless... working proxies are not easy to come by anymore; plus they add in a certain level of delay; and in the event of 10% as you suggested you would most likely need alot more proxies than 2... 10 tries does not equal 10% ;)

personally i wouldn't be satisified unless the system was 95% efficient...

If it does the job (to signup for hotmail accounts for example) it's far from useless. Delay doesn't make any difference, you could just start a seperate thread for each signup. And true that more than 2 proxies may be needed, but I was just trying to illustrate a point that the program can be successful with hit rate of under 50%.

TheJimmy · 04-17-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

So basically I'm better off hiring a $20.00/day to do whatever I'm trying to do?

ding ding ding, we have the correct answer

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Theo · 04-17-2005, 12:51 PM

www.hudsonscripting.com rules

Antonio · 04-17-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

www.hudsonscripting.com rules

well, there's nothing on that website, and google tells me that there used to be some SE tools, so I'm niot sure how does that relate to this thread?

sexdwarf · 04-17-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

If it does the job (to signup for hotmail accounts for example) it's far from useless. Delay doesn't make any difference, you could just start a seperate thread for each signup. And true that more than 2 proxies may be needed, but I was just trying to illustrate a point that the program can be successful with hit rate of under 50%.

i still disagree; in a realistic scenario your percentages of testing should be based off of at least a 1000 samples... this is to account for severe distortion variations (this obviously has to do with the mathematics), the possiblity of hitting all used characters, etc... now if in such a test environment you manage to achieve 99.7% success, a real world application will easily jump down to a 90% (perhaps even 80%) success rating since you have heavily skewed the probability at that point; not to mention any application you devevlop will be geared at solving those 1000 samples as good as possible...

now if we were to take the same scenario of 1000 samples and even a 50% success rating, you are going to have some problems... so if you only have 5 chances to hit the correct target; your percentage no longer remains 50% success since your pool of data has dramatically decresed... in reality your success rating drops to a mear 12.5% (of the total 5 tries, not each individual guess) because of the odds you had before...

even if you have the time to wait for it to hit (let's say an 8 hour period while you are sleeping) you are not going to have alot of those processes go through...

the bottom line, imho, is that this would require a program that has been well tested and has a very high success rating in the sample environment... a program like this would take time as well as cost a nice ammount; well worth it if the revenue generated from it exceeds the development cost; otherwise as stated in this thread as well as to antonio in icq; it's better to go with the hired hand since it won't be profitable enough for him to make an investment for a program like this...

Napolean · 04-17-2005, 03:00 PM

theres programs that can identify fingerprints off any surface, no reason this couldnt be doable with enough programming

ive done a few, nothing that complex (yet).. but its definately something i plan on playing with in the future

Furious_Female · 04-17-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Napolean

theres programs that can identify fingerprints off any surface, no reason this couldnt be doable with enough programming

ive done a few, nothing that complex (yet).. but its definately something i plan on playing with in the future

That's because you're the greatest programmer in the world!!!! <333333

teksonline · 04-17-2005, 04:39 PM

hehe all you childesh minds, it's very simply how to defeat those things, create an animated gif and make the first frame blank or better yet a BOGUS word

Bruce_Miller · 04-17-2005, 04:45 PM

Do you know what I love about some of the images like you have here at the top of the thread is that even humans can't read them... they try a couple of times to get it right... Then they leave your fucking site... Great job running people off!!! You rock!

teksonline · 04-17-2005, 04:56 PM

here is my example (done very quickly) shown here

http://www.megapussy.com/webmasters/beginocr.php

teksonline · 04-17-2005, 05:10 PM

now right click over the image and hit copy or whatever, now
take that to your paint program and paste...

what do you see?

Whjen i was taking submits from everyone on TGP, the results
were halirious, All the scammers that post those TGP pages with the virus
and pop up hell's that were submitting starting emailing me... All I get is a
blank gif for the submit code...Man that was so funny when that happened....

Seems their autosubmit OCR cheater script came to site
took a snapshop of the code for them to just sit there and type it in
since the script can only copy the first frame of the animated gif they
got a black image.... theyre tools became worthless..

Antonio · 04-17-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce_Miller

Do you know what I love about some of the images like you have here at the top of the thread is that even humans can't read them... they try a couple of times to get it right... Then they leave your fucking site... Great job running people off!!! You rock!

1st one - Hotmail
2nd one - Yahoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by teksonline

here is my example (done very quickly) shown here

http://www.megapussy.com/webmasters/beginocr.php

I have no idea what are you talking about.

Theo · 04-17-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

well, there's nothing on that website, and google tells me that there used to be some SE tools, so I'm niot sure how does that relate to this thread?

it;s not related, i'm feeding se spiders. :-)

Antonio · 04-17-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

it;s not related, i'm feeding se spiders. :-)

Lol, you really got me puzzled with that link ;)

reynold · 04-17-2005, 06:29 PM

I don't get it.

teksonline · 04-17-2005, 06:34 PM

poster needs to be more clear what the he is talking about, I guess i misinterpreted thread.

Basically i think he is trying to act like he has some sort of skill in something

Doc911 · 04-17-2005, 08:14 PM

yes any code can be beaten. any..

it just takes time and wil power

cambaby · 04-17-2005, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio

Can you beat this:

If a service had a Captcha like this I wouldnt use that service.

skillfull · 04-17-2005, 08:49 PM

this is fucking easy to beat
teksonline's is harder, but still possible ;)

Rorschach · 04-17-2005, 09:09 PM

personally I would just pay some indians to do that...

ry0t · 04-17-2005, 09:10 PM

Antonio I dont know or care what you've read I just know first hand those cannot be beaten.

azguy · 04-17-2005, 09:16 PM

No point. (If) you beat that, they will come up with a more difficult pattern the same day. Waste of resources.. better utilize the them for legal endeavors, you'll make much more money.

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sexdwarf Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 196	the captcha system as is used in that scenario is alot harder to "read" programatically... while considerd impossible even by myself; i do think it would be doable with the right algorithmes... the main issue for a system like that would be the computation time... a standard captcha system isvery crackable and can be broken down in a matter of seconds (0.7 seconds is the fastest i have gotten it on a simplistic distortion)...some thing like the ones you are showing have advanced distortion applied and the false-positive ratio can/would go to hell in a hand basket... anyhow what i am getting to;it can be done but the time the computer would spend attempting to decipher it could actually become slower than a human... contact me on icq... __________________ ICQ me for any programming projects - Agency quality work for non-agency prices ICQ 337 028 441

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sexdwarf Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 196	oh and in regards to real programmers vs wanna be kids... i've been programming for the 14 years; i have worked with fortne 100, 500's; global 100's; government agencies... i've got experience with more programming languages than i have fingers and toes... i'm far from a wannabe; so hope that answers your question... __________________ ICQ me for any programming projects - Agency quality work for non-agency prices ICQ 337 028 441

04-17-2005, 10:40 AM	#2
Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	no , those cant be beaten

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swedguy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,981	Good luck

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ssp Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,990	Everything can be beaten. It just takes time and money.

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fl_prn_str Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 5,736	for the ladies

04-17-2005, 11:07 AM	#11
Fuckin Bill Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,020	While it may be extremely difficult, anything mathematical is solvable. The program that creates the graphic is based on math, and the program to try and read it would be based on math. It's just a matter of the right formula. While an average programmer might have a hard time with it, a programmer working with the right mathematical brain could do it.

04-17-2005, 11:12 AM	#14
adonthenet Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,753	yeah do it.

04-17-2005, 12:15 PM	#18
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,113	I find a lot of these are so ridiculous it takes me 3-4 tries to actually enter it properly myself.

04-17-2005, 12:51 PM	#21
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	www.hudsonscripting.com rules

04-17-2005, 03:00 PM	#24
Napolean Old school Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kettering, OH Posts: 4,327	theres programs that can identify fingerprints off any surface, no reason this couldnt be doable with enough programming ive done a few, nothing that complex (yet).. but its definately something i plan on playing with in the future __________________ Need a programmer? (Desktop/Web Applications) --- Skype: napoleande

04-17-2005, 04:39 PM	#26
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	So Childesh, Use Your Brains hehe all you childesh minds, it's very simply how to defeat those things, create an animated gif and make the first frame blank or better yet a BOGUS word

04-17-2005, 04:45 PM	#27
Bruce_Miller Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 4REALCASH.COM Posts: 783	Do you know what I love about some of the images like you have here at the top of the thread is that even humans can't read them... they try a couple of times to get it right... Then they leave your fucking site... Great job running people off!!! You rock!

04-17-2005, 04:56 PM	#28
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	here is my example (done very quickly) shown here http://www.megapussy.com/webmasters/beginocr.php

04-17-2005, 05:10 PM	#29
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	now right click over the image and hit copy or whatever, now take that to your paint program and paste... what do you see? Whjen i was taking submits from everyone on TGP, the results were halirious, All the scammers that post those TGP pages with the virus and pop up hell's that were submitting starting emailing me... All I get is a blank gif for the submit code...Man that was so funny when that happened.... Seems their autosubmit OCR cheater script came to site took a snapshop of the code for them to just sit there and type it in since the script can only copy the first frame of the animated gif they got a black image.... theyre tools became worthless..

04-17-2005, 06:29 PM	#33
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	I don't get it.

04-17-2005, 06:34 PM	#34
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	dumb poster needs to be more clear what the he is talking about, I guess i misinterpreted thread. Basically i think he is trying to act like he has some sort of skill in something

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skillfull Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Quebec Calisse Posts: 4,716	this is fucking easy to beat teksonline's is harder, but still possible ;) __________________ mind at underdark dot cc SEO Analyst Thunder-Ball.net - Member

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Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	personally I would just pay some indians to do that...

04-17-2005, 09:10 PM	#39
ry0t So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,160	Antonio I dont know or care what you've read I just know first hand those cannot be beaten.

04-17-2005, 09:16 PM	#40
azguy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 5,167	No point. (If) you beat that, they will come up with a more difficult pattern the same day. Waste of resources.. better utilize the them for legal endeavors, you'll make much more money.