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Old 04-18-2005, 08:10 PM   #251
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Old 04-18-2005, 08:10 PM   #252
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That was never the deal.

If you wish to continue discussing private numbers and so forth in public then as far as I am concerned, you can kiss my hairy black ass.

Any questions?
You are black? All this time i thought you were white.. I am lost.
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Old 04-18-2005, 08:11 PM   #253
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hes sueing me... he has his lawyer filing it tomorrow for copywrite infringement... because i posted samples in this thread when he provoked me to do so.....
you really believe it? then counter sue...
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i would post more sample pics... but he already contacted serverprovider about shutting down my site because of copywrite infringement
Uhh I would advise against posting more pics or even thinking about posting more pics at this point.

I skipped over several pages of this thread, did you phone him yet?
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Uhh I would advise against posting more pics or even thinking about posting more pics at this point.

I skipped over several pages of this thread, did you phone him yet?
hes not allowed to talk to me anymore, his lawyer says so....

but before this i have talked to him a lot on the phone...
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hes not allowed to talk to me anymore, his lawyer says so....

but before this i have talked to him a lot on the phone...
Well we'll just have to see how this all plays out then. Looks to me like this is just another one of those stupid situations that has blown all out of proportion that should have/could have been solved very early-on with a small bit of compromise on both sides.


By the way, to that part of the argument about you paying him in Canadian funds and him wanting US funds..... dude, I got to say.... I thought everybody who has spent more than five minutes in this busines knows that most if not ALL transactions, especially with an American like Aaron is, are in US FUNDS. That should have been a given, a non-issue, a no-brainer. Period.
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Well we'll just have to see how this all plays out then. Looks to me like this is just another one of those stupid situations that has blown all out of proportion that should have/could have been solved very early-on with a small bit of compromise on both sides.


By the way, to that part of the argument about you paying him in Canadian funds and him wanting US funds..... dude, I got to say.... I thought everybody who has spent more than five minutes in this busines knows that most if not ALL transactions, especially with an American like Aaron is, are in US FUNDS. That should have been a given, a non-issue, a no-brainer. Period.
i completely understand, thats why we discussed the issue RIGHT away ...... its not like we are argueing about it down the road... we talked about it right away.. before he lifted a finger with anything....
and to the compromise part... i told him i was willing to let him keep 500 of it for the trouble of a refund
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finally read this whole thread and all I have to say is, Aaron, give the guy a break. you're being really stubborn over this and I know you feel like you've been nice enough to him, but hanging him to dry over $4500 is a big punch in the stomach, let him off the hook.

and dont worr sonofsam, he cant sue you like hes claiming. its BS
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Up untill now I didn't really care about AaronM, but I always taught that when it comes to business he was a stand-up man, judging by this thread he's a real cocksucker.

And btw he's not going to sue you, he's just trying to scare you !!!
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Btw... Aaron offered to drop the lawsuit if i made a thread apologizing for trying to make him look bad.... but i told him i would NOT say what i think / feel in exchange for money... voicing an opinion and sticking to it is worth a lot more then a 10 grand lawsuit... even though i don't have 10 grand to lose.
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Aaron ol boy, I think now might be the time to resolve this one.

You have this guy where you want him, seems everyone else realizes from this example that you're not an easy guy to fuck with, so I think you've made the point.

Of course, this could all be staged drama that I'm buying into. Don't think it doesn't cross my mind every time I see this kind of thread. If it is real it looks to me like it is easily solvable. exchange some of the sets, at the same time get paid, end of story.
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Old 04-18-2005, 08:46 PM   #262
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Aaron ol boy, I think now might be the time to resolve this one.

You have this guy where you want him, seems everyone else realizes from this example that you're not an easy guy to fuck with, so I think you've made the point.

Of course, this could all be staged drama that I'm buying into. Don't think it doesn't cross my mind every time I see this kind of thread. If it is real it looks to me like it is easily solvable. exchange some of the sets, at the same time get paid, end of story.
this is not staged... you have my word on that...
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Old 04-18-2005, 08:51 PM   #263
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Wait, why can't a girl living next door to someone be fat, or pregnant, or a goth?

Girl-next-door types come in all flavors. Those goths and bbw's etc all live next door to someone, right?

Okay carry on....
No.
The girl next door is a type. She is your small shy cute amatuer looking girl.
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Aaron ol boy, I think now might be the time to resolve this one.

You have this guy where you want him, seems everyone else realizes from this example that you're not an easy guy to fuck with, so I think you've made the point.

Of course, this could all be staged drama that I'm buying into. Don't think it doesn't cross my mind every time I see this kind of thread. If it is real it looks to me like it is easily solvable. exchange some of the sets, at the same time get paid, end of story.
Why do you keep saying sonofsam is "fucking with aaron"?
He is not fucking with him. For fuck's sake he paid $4,500!!
And can't do shit. I would be fucking pissed too.
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Tell that to someone living in low-rent housing. Not every street is your street.
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Why do you keep saying sonofsam is "fucking with aaron"?
He is not fucking with him. For fuck's sake he paid $4,500!!
And can't do shit. I would be fucking pissed too.
Obviously from Aaron's perspective he is being fucked with. That's why.

Let's solve this rather than bitch about the small stuff, okay?
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Obviously from Aaron's perspective he is being fucked with. That's why.

Let's solve this rather than bitch about the small stuff, okay?
trust me i would love to solve it, i would even be willing to let him keep 500 and refund my money... or at least try and work something out with me... rather then sueing me
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Tell that to someone living in low-rent housing. Not every street is your street.
No it is a lot more defined that then. We have niches down in place so we dont have to guess this stuff.


Next-door is not babe, but its your reguluar cute amatuer girl.

We have blad for bald niche paysites and fat for fat niche paysties and hardcore for hardcore niched paysites.

Your logic is flawed because it would be the same to say that if a dominatrix was surfing and landed across a hardocre partying site and to her it was considerent "softcore"

There is no comparing in niches. Its defined.
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The girl next door is a type. She is your small shy cute amatuer looking girl.
Yes, this is girl next door. I am sure out of 60,000 sets there are some of them like this. But this is what he was looking for I am sure.

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Tell that to someone living in low-rent housing. Not every street is your street.


Dont you get it. How long have you been in the business, better yet how long have you been doing it sucuessfully.

The whole business is about selling fantasy for most.
No one dreams about actucally fucking the girl next door to them, becuase she actually might be some fat ugly bald chick.
What they have is a picture of the shy amatuer looking girl and thats why the surf and join paysites.
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oh, and btw:

Q: So what is "fair use"?
A: This is a very limited right to use an excerpt of copyrighted work to illustrate or as an example in educational or political discussion. No money may change hands and the use must be strictly noncommercial (this includes institutional and governmental).

Without being a lawyer I believe this is exactly what happened here, you posted a few images to illustrate (make a point) and that was strictly noncommercial ;)
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oh, and btw:

Q: So what is "fair use"?
A: This is a very limited right to use an excerpt of copyrighted work to illustrate or as an example in educational or political discussion. No money may change hands and the use must be strictly noncommercial (this includes institutional and governmental).

Without being a lawyer I believe this is exactly what happened here, you posted a few images to illustrate (make a point) and that was strictly noncommercial ;)
True. There will be no lawsuit. I am quite sure of that.
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trust me i would love to solve it, i would even be willing to let him keep 500 and refund my money... or at least try and work something out with me... rather then sueing me
I would be shocked if he sues you... He knows he has lost in this thread, he has come accross as a bully. Nobody likes a bully.

He has stated in this thread that he dosnt care what GFY thinks of him.... trust me he does, if he sues you he will lose - in every way

My guess is that the reason he isnt posting has nothing to do with lawyers, its because he is to busy trying to get this thread closed.
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No it is a lot more defined that then. We have niches down in place so we dont have to guess this stuff.


Next-door is not babe, but its your reguluar cute amatuer girl.

We have blad for bald niche paysites and fat for fat niche paysties and hardcore for hardcore niched paysites.

Your logic is flawed because it would be the same to say that if a dominatrix was surfing and landed across a hardocre partying site and to her it was considerent "softcore"

There is no comparing in niches. Its defined.
Look, I produced and sold amateur style girl next door stuff for years, I know what it is.

Can a black girl be GNS? Yes? But that's also a cross-niche! What about an asian girl? Wait, why can't a girl next door be a bit chubby again?

One of our arguments is flawed, just not mine. There is no "one way" to do everything, much as some of you would like to believe.

And again, you are now trying to start a side argument. Maybe the real lesson here is that when you buy content you don't buy a big bulk collection without seeing and inspecting EVERY set first. I know there are many content providers at whose sites you can peruse sets and pick and choose the ones you want. Maybe it takes you a few days to go over it all in order to get what you want, but isn't that better than ending up in this kind of mess?

I think it is.
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Look, I produced and sold amateur style girl next door stuff for years, I know what it is.

Can a black girl be GNS? Yes? But that's also a cross-niche! What about an asian girl? Wait, why can't a girl next door be a bit chubby again?

One of our arguments is flawed, just not mine. There is no "one way" to do everything, much as some of you would like to believe.

And again, you are now trying to start a side argument. Maybe the real lesson here is that when you buy content you don't buy a big bulk collection without seeing and inspecting EVERY set first. I know there are many content providers at whose sites you can peruse sets and pick and choose the ones you want. Maybe it takes you a few days to go over it all in order to get what you want, but isn't that better than ending up in this kind of mess?

I think it is.
Im not going to argue with you. Because its subtracting of the main point.

There is a person here who actually wants to make it right. Actually wants the content and wants to pay him while another is just brushing him off.
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Btw... Aaron offered to drop the lawsuit if i made a thread apologizing for trying to make him look bad.... but i told him i would NOT say what i think / feel in exchange for money... voicing an opinion and sticking to it is worth a lot more then a 10 grand lawsuit... even though i don't have 10 grand to lose.

You silly little man.

The 10.5k is for copyright violations and no matter what any of these arm chair attornies tell you....You and I both know that you did violate that copyright and that's all there is to that.

You also lied about taking the images down yourself. In fact...The majority of the things you have said in this thread are lies.

The 10.5 coyright case is a slam dunk....Now my concern lies with the damnage that your lies and deciet have done to my reputation. When I read posts like the following one from Antonio, it makes me even more angry...And then people have the balls to suggest that I just drop this???? And here you are again replying to this thread in another effort to make me look bad.


Here's the post y Antonio that I am referring to...Followed by proof that you lied earlier when you said that YOU removed the images yourself....

Now please...Keep telling more lies so that I have even better documentation on file.

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Up untill now I didn't really care about AaronM, but I always taught that when it comes to business he was a stand-up man, judging by this thread he's a real cocksucker.

And btw he's not going to sue you, he's just trying to scare you !!!



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Matthews" <EDITED>
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Subject: Copyright violation


> Hello.
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> You have a client who is currently violating my copyright by posting 14
> images to a public area from your server. This client and I are having a
> dispute on the content and at this point, he has not made payment in full
> or been granted a license for the use of my images.
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> The clients name is Mike Bani and here are the links to the images in
> question:
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> www.juliablue.com/content/1.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/2.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/3.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/4.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/5.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/6.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/7.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/8.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/9.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/10.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/11.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/12.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/13.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/14.jpg
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> At this point, I will be seeking damages from Mr. Bani for the multiple
> copyright violations and I would greatly appreciate you removing these
> images from your server in order to prevent future copyright violations.
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> Respectfully,
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> Aaron Matthews
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this is not staged... you have my word on that...

After a thread filled with you lies.....Your word is worth fuck all.
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Im not going to argue with you. Because its subtracting of the main point.

There is a person here who actually wants to make it right. Actually wants the content and wants to pay him while another is just brushing him off.
You're repeating basically what I already said. Good move.

And have you actually read any of my previous posts? I've done nothing BUT try to encourage a solution here.
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Dont you get it. How long have you been in the business, better yet how long have you been doing it sucuessfully.

The whole business is about selling fantasy for most.
No one dreams about actucally fucking the girl next door to them, becuase she actually might be some fat ugly bald chick.
What they have is a picture of the shy amatuer looking girl and thats why the surf and join paysites.
You obviously have no clue what surfers want.
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You're repeating basically what I already said. Good move.

And have you actually read any of my previous posts? I've done nothing BUT try to encourage a solution here.
No i was talking to sonofsam about it in the beginning. I doubt he wants this win/lose on the forums thing or anything. He just wants content.
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You obviously have no clue what surfers want.
I know that if im advertising on teen sites or using teen niched traffic, i find i make more money when i avoid sending to goth paysites or fat niche paysites.
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Old 04-18-2005, 09:21 PM   #283
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You silly little man.

The 10.5k is for copyright violations and no matter what any of these arm chair attornies tell you....You and I both know that you did violate that copyright and that's all there is to that.

You also lied about taking the images down yourself. In fact...The majority of the things you have said in this thread are lies.

The 10.5 coyright case is a slam dunk....Now my concern lies with the damnage that your lies and deciet have done to my reputation. When I read posts like the following one from Antonio, it makes me even more angry...And then people have the balls to suggest that I just drop this???? And here you are again replying to this thread in another effort to make me look bad.


Here's the post y Antonio that I am referring to...Followed by proof that you lied earlier when you said that YOU removed the images yourself....

Now please...Keep telling more lies so that I have even better documentation on file.






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Hello Aaron,
We have contacted the tech support department and the images were taken
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Please let us know if we can assist you any futher.

Regards:
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Matthews" <EDITED>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:56 PM
Subject: Copyright violation


> Hello.
>
> You have a client who is currently violating my copyright by posting 14
> images to a public area from your server. This client and I are having a
> dispute on the content and at this point, he has not made payment in full
> or been granted a license for the use of my images.
>
> The clients name is Mike Bani and here are the links to the images in
> question:
>
> www.juliablue.com/content/1.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/2.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/3.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/4.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/5.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/6.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/7.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/8.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/9.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/10.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/11.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/12.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/13.jpg
> www.juliablue.com/content/14.jpg
>
>
>
> At this point, I will be seeking damages from Mr. Bani for the multiple
> copyright violations and I would greatly appreciate you removing these
> images from your server in order to prevent future copyright violations.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Aaron Matthews

Antonio said you have come across as a cocksucker.... you did that all on your own.

Where is this proof BTW?..... It says the content was taken down, it dosnt say they took it down.
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I'm lying?

Date : 18/04/2005 Time : 4:04 PM
To : sonofsam
i already removed the images

Date : 18/04/2005 Time : 4:04 PM
From : Sami - tech support
you probably didn't remove them properly.

Date : 18/04/2005 Time : 4:04 PM
From : Sami - tech support
you want me to remove them for ya?
Date : 18/04/2005 Time : 4:04 PM
To : sonofsam
sure...

Date : 18/04/2005 Time : 4:04 PM
From : Sami - tech support
actully they are removed.. they dont load for me.

Date : 18/04/2005 Time : 4:04 PM
From : Sami - tech support
press refresh




there you go aaron.
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Aaron --- a question...

If he were to pay you the remaining money you say he owes you, would you be willing to exchange some of the sets for others he finds more suitable?

He want's content, you want bling. That's the only amicable solution I see here.
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would you be willing to pay Aaron the remainder of the bill if he was willing to change out some of the content?
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sonofsam --- a question...

would you be willing to pay Aaron the remainder of the bill if he was willing to change out some of the content?
Of course i would, i would have dealt with aaron in the first place if he didn't block me on icq like he did...


so aaron.. there is your proof i deleted the pics myself.... sami from serverprovider can vouch for that.
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Aaron --- a question...

His neighborhood just lost power. Could be a while before he responds.
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His neighborhood just lost power. Could be a while before he responds.
Doesn't his part of the country buy their electricity from Canada?
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Doesn't his part of the country buy their electricity from Canada?

I did not know people paid for electricity. I thought all you had to do was flick a switch, and it was on.
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well they don't.. if they grow
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I know that if im advertising on teen sites or using teen niched traffic, i find i make more money when i avoid sending to goth paysites or fat niche paysites.
I never said the girl-next-door genre wasn't teen-related. It is. It's just not your white-bread stereotypical fantasy for everyone out there, that's all. Surfers do not all have one fantasy for what a girl next door can look like, and in my yeas of experience I have come to know that offering them a variety of choices to indulge their fantasies is always a good thing. What could possibly we wrong with having 80 or 90% of your site as the "whitebread teen girl next door" you seem to be so stuck on, and the other small percentage as young ladies with "other" looks to them?

Answer: it can't hurt at all, and in fact is a very GOOD thing to do.
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AaronM lives for drama and disputes like these. Him winning arguments like this gives him a hardon. Don't think for a minute he didn't want this thread started. He couldn't wait.

He is a cocksucker, plain and simple.
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You can flick the switch, but it is Canada that decides whether or not the light goes on.

At least in some states. :D
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so let me get this straight, customer is unhappy with the content.... customer and producer argue back and forth if the content is girl next door or not.... customer asks if he can post it.... producer provokes him... customer posts it.... producer files lawsuit..


gotcha.
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so let me get this straight, customer is unhappy with the content.... customer and producer argue back and forth if the content is girl next door or not.... customer asks if he can post it.... producer provokes him... customer posts it.... producer files lawsuit..


gotcha.

yeah, you can just plead entrapment, the devil made you do it
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now it's geting retarded... grow up! acting like a bunch of kids... it's sad.
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i hope you got the rights to that pic... dont want to get sued now
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Maybe you should have titled this thread "Earth to AaronM" instead of paging. I'd be pissed off with you too if you used paging like that, I hate that word. :D
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