American webmasters at a competitive disadvantage?

[emmanuelle]

Since US webmasters will all be promoting sites with softcore content, or images from the same handful of content brokers; webmasters from outside of the US will be making mad sales off all the explicit content that Americans are unable or unwilling to use.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Since US webmasters will all be promoting sites with softcore content, or images from the same handful of content brokers; webmasters from outside of the US will be making mad sales off all the explicit content that Americans are unable or unwilling to use.

Ok so non-American content brokers will now lose sales from Americans if they don't provide 2257 info since Americans MUST have this info. I think this HURTS those content brokers not help them. Most of the big buys are made by AMERICAN run pay sites.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Since US webmasters will all be promoting sites with softcore content, or images from the same handful of content brokers; webmasters from outside of the US will be making mad sales off all the explicit content that Americans are unable or unwilling to use.

Or on the bright side it could mean less profileration of free hardcore material and more sales for everyone. But nah we must fight our asses off to keep free hardcore available to everyone.

[emmanuelle]

Some attorneys are counselling their clients to get rid of any non-American content.

Yes, it will hurt content brokers who refuse to hand over the information.
However, non US webmasters will indeed benefit.

[Judas_Hansen]

well.. not the first time im glad to me NON-american

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Some attorneys are counselling their clients to get rid of any non-American content.

Yes, it will hurt content brokers who refuse to hand over the information.
However, non US webmasters will indeed benefit.

I don't necessarlily see it that way. I assume non-americanz will move to non-US hsoting because they don't want to risk being shut down. Ok so now you have a flood of non-american webmasters all going after however many non-american hosting companies there are. Now I'm not sure of the number but the fact is they'll all have more customers to choose from. Now if you know about the law of supply and demand since there is more demand for non-us hosting those that deal in that can RAISE prices. Hell if you don't buy the next guy will. How is that a benefit to non-American webmasters?

[Terry]

very interesting.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Or on the bright side it could mean less profileration of free hardcore material and more sales for everyone. But nah we must fight our asses off to keep free hardcore available to everyone.

Good point. It should be interesting to see how it actually plays out.

Jurisdiction over the Internet is very tricky. People can move their content offshore as much as they can but if they ACTIVELY conduct business and target their marketing to the US market, jurisdictional issues arise that may put them within the orbit of US law

[emmanuelle]

[QUOTE=$5 submissions] but if they ACTIVELY conduct business and target their marketing to the US market, QUOTE]


Oh please
The internet is global - we're not targeting any one country, we'll sell to anyone

[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by GatorB

I don't necessarlily see it that way. I assume non-americanz will move to non-US hsoting because they don't want to risk being shut down. Ok so now you have a flood of non-american webmasters all going after however many non-american hosting companies there are. Now I'm not sure of the number but the fact is they'll all have more customers to choose from. Now if you know about the law of supply and demand since there is more demand for non-us hosting those that deal in that can RAISE prices. Hell if you don't buy the next guy will. How is that a benefit to non-American webmasters?

There are lots of hosting companies around the world, the US does not have a monopoly. The new regulations are not based on the location of one's server anyway.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Since US webmasters will all be promoting sites with softcore content, or images from the same handful of content brokers; webmasters from outside of the US will be making mad sales off all the explicit content that Americans are unable or unwilling to use.

If more American webmasters start using softcore content, then content producers will produce more of it and your theory about a limited amount of content will be proved false.

There are an endless supply of beautiful women who will shoot non-nude or topless content if the demand increases.

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Or on the bright side it could mean less profileration of free hardcore material <snip>.

Correction... less free hardcore from webmasters.

[fris]

algore is going to shut down teh intraweb

[fireorange]

Originally Posted by fris

algore is going to shut down teh intraweb

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
http://politics.slashdot.org/article...&tid=1&tid=219

[webspider]

Interesting stuff on the internets lately...

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

There are lots of hosting companies around the world, the US does not have a monopoly.

I didn't say that. What I said curent non-US webmasters that use US hosting will switch to non-US hosting. Thus increasing the DEMAND for non-US hosting. Those companies that offer non-US hosting there could raise their prices if you go by the laws of supply and demand.

The new regulations are not based on the location of one's server anyway.

If your site is using US hosting the DOJ can make the US host shut your site down if it's in non-compliance. And there is nohting you can do about that.

[fetishpix]

We have over 12,000 image sets in inventory.

We have begun just pulling softcore images from the sets and reorganizing them into marketing sets.

Any suggestions as to how many soft images webmasters will want in these sets. We were figuring 15 - 20 images. Let me know your input.

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by GatorB

If your site is using US hosting the DOJ can make the US host shut your site down if it's in non-compliance. And there is nohting you can do about that.

exactly
non-complying sites will have to be moved to non-US hosting with non-US billers...
a lot of this is speculation too...we truly don't know what they will do or to what lengths they will go to enforce this...but I've seen the DOJ in action when they are hot to get someone and it's not pretty...trust me, no one wants to be a test case on this...

[Veterans Day]

what is this 2257 everyone is speaking of?

The sky
The sky

[Webby]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Since US webmasters will all be promoting sites with softcore content, or images from the same handful of content brokers; webmasters from outside of the US will be making mad sales off all the explicit content that Americans are unable or unwilling to use.

Mmmm... well yea! As soon as any country closes it's doors and restricts content, others will fill a void.

To take that a step further, if the US DOJ then decide they wish to block such foreign sites, they are welcome. From that stage we enter a different world which involves international trading agreements blah... Certainly, other countries will have a response and this is complicated by the whole nature of the net.

On the non-US server market.. there are too many countries to choose from and seriously doubt there will be any long term price lifting for hosting. But, on the other hand, - I know a few US hosting companies who have just lost or are going to lose several customers.

On jurisdiction.. foreign (and US webmasters) need to market their product to the whole net and are not going to quibble about where the market is. Foreign servers will be marketing to the US as well as all other countries and the DOJ is free to block these websites as a response.

This recent introduction of an "upgraded" USC 2257 is not the start of changes in the adult biz on the net. It started when the US government decided to permit the terms of VISA US - terms which no other country agreed with. From that time there already has been the start of a shift of adult businesses out of US jurisdiction to more favorable locations.

The revamped USC 2257 is now the second stage where business will be leaving US territory.

Bottom line? There is nada point in operating a business in an unfavorable environment. Any corp or individual who does not have either citizenship links or servers within the US has complete freedom of choice.

For US folks - they have a severe problem. Tho this depends on whether the DOJ actually heeds USC 2257 since they have, - not once, - ever instigated any action under this code to protect children. That is kinda damning when ya look at it. That aside, it is now more of an imposition on US webmasters to comply with this legislation. Another factor being that once laws are enacted, they are difficult to have removed, - so, unless hearings start shortly to set precedents under this code, - US webmasters will be stuck with the baggage forever.

[jukeboxfrank]

Originally Posted by Judas_Hansen

well.. not the first time im glad to me NON-american

ya we in the USA are too.....