2257 when posting - GoFuckYourself.com

The Sultan Of Smut · 06-01-2005, 02:14 AM

I know I know lame thread but will Adult.com start requiring 2257 info to be included when making some crappy 'Would you hit it thread'? Will the new 2257 regs then be end of not only thumb tgps that take webmaster submissions as well as 'Would you hit it' threads? Oh my God.

Major (Tom) · 06-01-2005, 02:37 AM

good question.

i would imagine "technically" that is required.
Duke

stev0 · 06-01-2005, 02:39 AM

i dont think so, they wouldn't be producing it... they'd be distributing it

for example, you can't hold yahoo responsible for what members post on their groups...

xxxice · 06-01-2005, 02:41 AM

So many questions but still no one has any for sure answers. I am talking with an attorney in next few hours so will have some relief.

who · 06-01-2005, 04:21 AM

No because this is a private forum

s9ann0 · 06-01-2005, 04:27 AM

2257 is the end of gofuckyourself!

Mr.Fiction · 06-01-2005, 12:53 PM

Large forum sites are excluded from the regulations:

(4) Producer does not include persons whose activities relating to the visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct are limited to the following:

(i) Photo or film processing, including digitization of previously existing visual depictions, as part of a commercial enterprise, with no other commercial interest in the sexually explicit material, printing, and video duplicators;

(ii) Mere distribution;

(iii) Any activity, other than those activities identified in
paragraphs (c) (1) and (2) of this section, that does not involve the hiring, contracting for, managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the depicted performers;

(iv) A provider of web-hosting services who does not, and
reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service; or

(v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

Read "v" above. It would be impossible for Lensman or the owner of any large forum to moderate every post made on the site. He can respond to complaints, but he could not watch every post made in real time.

kernelpanic · 06-01-2005, 12:56 PM

2257 governs commercial services, so no, it would not be required. I can put nudity on my personal website, but not if its commercially driven. And, as mentioned by the post above, the board operators merely provide a medium, as does an ISP, rather than being directly responsible for the content.

Now that "commercial" provision could possibly extend to GFY sigwhores

DatingGold · 06-01-2005, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kernelpanic

2257 governs commercial services, so no, it would not be required. I can put nudity on my personal website, but not if its commercially driven. And, as mentioned by the post above, the board operators merely provide a medium, as does an ISP, rather than being directly responsible for the content.

Now that "commercial" provision could possibly extend to GFY sigwhores

GFY sells ad space.. that makes it commercial

FilthyRob · 06-01-2005, 02:22 PM

Isn't every movie post and thumbnail post site just a forum really. I mean isn't there a loop hole there?

kernelpanic · 06-01-2005, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatingGold

GFY sells ad space.. that makes it commercial

However, the people posting the sexually explicit content are not doing so for commercial reasons. GFY is a medium of exchange.

Or at least thats how the laws look to me, but I'm no lawyer.

kernelpanic · 06-01-2005, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FilthyRob

Isn't every movie post and thumbnail post site just a forum really. I mean isn't there a loop hole there?

Taking advantage of a loophole in the laws requires fighting it in court. Fighting it in court requires time and money for legal expenses. Making it to court requires being ARRESTED.

Go ahead, look for a loophole if you want, but it certainly can backfire.

Mr.Fiction · 06-01-2005, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FilthyRob

Isn't every movie post and thumbnail post site just a forum really. I mean isn't there a loop hole there?

Probably not, because someone is approving the submissions.

If you had a "TGP" where anyone who wanted to could submit anything they wanted to and all submissions were automatically approved by a script and it was so busy that you could not "reasonably" monitor it, then you would have an argument.

TGPs submissions are reviewed by the site before they are posted. Forum posts on a large forum could never be moderated in that way.

latinasojourn · 06-01-2005, 03:53 PM

if you are a content producer hyping your product you best have 2257 info on anything you submit if you are USA based, which will include proper info, proper point size, etc on your website.

06-01-2005, 02:14 AM	#1
The Sultan Of Smut Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 4,325	2257 when posting I know I know lame thread but will Adult.com start requiring 2257 info to be included when making some crappy 'Would you hit it thread'? Will the new 2257 regs then be end of not only thumb tgps that take webmaster submissions as well as 'Would you hit it' threads? Oh my God.

06-01-2005, 02:37 AM	#2
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,532	good question. i would imagine "technically" that is required. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

06-01-2005, 12:53 PM	#7
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Large forum sites are excluded from the regulations: (4) Producer does not include persons whose activities relating to the visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct are limited to the following: (i) Photo or film processing, including digitization of previously existing visual depictions, as part of a commercial enterprise, with no other commercial interest in the sexually explicit material, printing, and video duplicators; (ii) Mere distribution; (iii) Any activity, other than those activities identified in paragraphs (c) (1) and (2) of this section, that does not involve the hiring, contracting for, managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the depicted performers; (iv) A provider of web-hosting services who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service; or (v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service. Read "v" above. It would be impossible for Lensman or the owner of any large forum to moderate every post made on the site. He can respond to complaints, but he could not watch every post made in real time. __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

06-01-2005, 12:56 PM	#8
kernelpanic Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,961	2257 governs commercial services, so no, it would not be required. I can put nudity on my personal website, but not if its commercially driven. And, as mentioned by the post above, the board operators merely provide a medium, as does an ISP, rather than being directly responsible for the content. Now that "commercial" provision could possibly extend to GFY sigwhores __________________ ZangoCash - Turn Your Traffic Into Ca$h. $.40 Per Install - No Tier

06-01-2005, 02:22 PM	#10
FilthyRob Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anaheim - CA Posts: 6,741	Isn't every movie post and thumbnail post site just a forum really. I mean isn't there a loop hole there? __________________ AKA - Clubsexy

06-01-2005, 02:39 AM	#3
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	i dont think so, they wouldn't be producing it... they'd be distributing it for example, you can't hold yahoo responsible for what members post on their groups...

06-01-2005, 02:41 AM	#4
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	So many questions but still no one has any for sure answers. I am talking with an attorney in next few hours so will have some relief.

06-01-2005, 04:21 AM	#5
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	No because this is a private forum

06-01-2005, 04:27 AM	#6
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	2257 is the end of gofuckyourself!

06-01-2005, 03:53 PM	#14
latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	if you are a content producer hyping your product you best have 2257 info on anything you submit if you are USA based, which will include proper info, proper point size, etc on your website.