Originally Posted by kBizzle

It's not ISPS and processors- It's Mastercard and Visa that you have to worry about

Originally Posted by baddog

Actually, I misspoke when I said processors, I was referring to Visa and MC as they are end result (in most cases).

Originally Posted by kBizzle

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Grant Media = Gary Kremen = Sex.com?

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Women with brains turn me on ....

Originally Posted by XPays

I am sure a lot of trademark holders will agree:

If anybody cybersquats on our shit with .xxx registrations - get ready to get turned inside out.

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

At the end of the day, the webmasters bitching on this board will be no more organized and concerted in an effort to work together for the industry as a whole as they've been since this industry began. It's simply not the nature of the beast.

Originally Posted by Holly

.xxx is a stupid, stupid idea. That's what the bitching is about. It has nothing to do with fighting CP.

Originally Posted by Hymes

Damn, nice find. I wrote that as a journalist probably five years ago, looking at both sides of the issue, when I still still unclear about the ramifications and what it would all mean. It was theoretical, and had nothing at all to do with this .XXX application. I Always do that when working things through, much the same as I did with 2257, which I might have supported if it were reasonably written and only used if there was a good faith belief that a minor had been used in a production. But that's not how they're written, so I can't support them, and neither do I support .xxx. I had no idea someone had pulled that one paragraph into a white paper to use for that purpose, so shame on them for doing that and shame on me for making an incorrect idea sound so compelling. When I read it now, it's bullshit, but I can't reverse the clock, and my evaluation of these issues has improved in that I think about them far longer before I comment.

Also, Paul Fishbein has stated that he turned the .xxx offer down, so that right there should clarity the AVN position.

The FSC position is the same, and always has been, that it does not now, never has, and never will support a .xxx tld.

Originally Posted by Connor

A year ago I would have completely agreed with that statement. But I'm not so sure now. I've seen a tremendous amount of support for the FSC, and the FSC is finally concentrating on internet issues. One of the reasons why webmasters were never organized was because there wasn't much of a mechanism by which they COULD organize.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I don't know about that. There needs to be some unity, but instead we have schism. There has been so much mudslinging between the FSC, the ASACP, AVN, XBiz, dot xxx, and all the profiteering running rampant from this debacle, etc...I don't think webmasters organize until it is from the confines of dayroom at Club Fed or their new job at McDonalds after this is done with.

Watching the way this "community" acts / reacts makes me ashamed to call myself a "webmaster" sometimes.

Originally Posted by tony404

I think the way they are going to do it is, if memory serves me right. If you own the .com version you have 45 days to get the .xxx after that its fair game.

Originally Posted by Connor

A year ago I would have completely agreed with that statement. But I'm not so sure now. I've seen a tremendous amount of support for the FSC, and the FSC is finally concentrating on internet issues. One of the reasons why webmasters were never organized was because there wasn't much of a mechanism by which they COULD organize. KK, are you going to Cybernet Expo? I'd love to chat with you about FSC, and maybe introduce you to Michelle, the Executive Director.

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

I'll be there Monday afternoon -- email me before the show and let's plan a time for it

Originally Posted by Connor

You will NEVER get every single person in this industry to agree on everything. And you don't need complete and absolute consensus. That's something I've learned over the past few years. The trick is to know what you think is worth fighting for and find like-minded individuals. I think 2257 is worth fighting against. I think .xxx is worth fighting against. And there are a lot of people in this industry who feel the same way. Some don't, but that's to be expected. There are enough people who agree to make a solid difference and put up a fight. That, I truly believe.

Originally Posted by fireorange

Fuck you and your sigs and fuck the wannabe internet police aka ASACP

Originally Posted by kBizzle

I will pledge to help in this fight any way I can to make sure this does not happen. I will be as vocal as I can be-

It simply won't be enough. Nor will the FSC be able to conquer this gargantuan task by themselves--
Larry Flynt could help us if he truly understood all of the ramifications of .XXX. As well as if he had the energy to fight- we all know that Larry is no fan of this administration.

This has been an issue on the table for about 5 yrs. We knew this was inevitable, and the industry as a whole was apathetic. Most of us sat around saying that "the Government can't ever inact this kind of legislation because we are a global industry".

That may have been your thoughts pre- 2003- however that year's Superbowl with Janet and Justin's "Nipplegate" coupled with the FCC fines handed down to Howard Stern as well as the copius amounts directed towards broadcast companies for indecency. Should have been a real wake up call for the online adult business.

Hopfully those of you who understand this kind of modern day " McCarthyism" ( that is if you are educated enough to know who he was) will finally realize the graveness of this issue and write to the liberal politicians in your respected states. .XXX is the equivalent of wearing Hester Prynne's " Scarlett Letter"

I may have been in a lot of media, and I know I call a lot of attention to myself - However I don't want to wear a .XXX on my chest for the rest of my life, do you?

Originally Posted by stev0

Why, do they threaten you?

Originally Posted by kBizzle

I will pledge to help in this fight any way I can to make sure this does not happen. I will be as vocal as I can be-

It simply won't be enough. Nor will the FSC be able to conquer this gargantuan task by themselves--
Larry Flynt could help us if he truly understood all of the ramifications of .XXX. As well as if he had the energy to fight- we all know that Larry is no fan of this administration.

This has been an issue on the table for about 5 yrs. We knew this was inevitable, and the industry as a whole was apathetic. Most of us sat around saying that "the Government can't ever inact this kind of legislation because we are a global industry".

That may have been your thoughts pre- 2003- however that year's Superbowl with Janet and Justin's "Nipplegate" coupled with the FCC fines handed down to Howard Stern as well as the copius amounts directed towards broadcast companies for indecency. Should have been a real wake up call for the online adult business.

Hopfully those of you who understand this kind of modern day " McCarthyism" ( that is if you are educated enough to know who he was) will finally realize the graveness of this issue and write to the liberal politicians in your respected states. .XXX is the equivalent of wearing Hester Prynne's " Scarlett Letter"

I may have been in a lot of media, and I know I call a lot of attention to myself - However I don't want to wear a .XXX on my chest for the rest of my life, do you?

Originally Posted by kBizzle

Hopfully those of you who understand this kind of modern day " McCarthyism" ( that is if you are educated enough to know who he was) will finally realize the graveness of this issue and write to the liberal politicians in your respected states. .XXX is the equivalent of wearing Hester Prynne's " Scarlett Letter"

Originally Posted by numbersguy

I agree and disagree. I view this more like the Nazi's making Jews were a yellow star on their clothing. This is just a way to "identify" us. Next will be the "death camps' for us all.

Originally Posted by tony286

ICM

* To: stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx
* Subject: ICM
* From: Joanasacp@xxxxxxx
* Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:52:05 -0400

ASACP (asacp.org) is the organization that helps the adult site industry
make a difference in the battle against child pornography. ASACP recognizes
sexual child abuse as a heinous crime committed against children. As a major
deterrent to such abuse, ASACP was formed in 1996 and is dedicated to
eliminating child pornography from the Internet. ASACP also provides a
self-regulatory vehicle for its membership through a Code of Ethics that
promotes the protection of children through responsible, professional
business practices. Over 4,700 adult sites have joined our cause in raising
awareness about this subject.

ASACP investigates and assists the F.B.I. and the National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) in enforcing anti-child pornography
laws against thousands of child pornography sites. To date, ASACP has
received and reviewed over 100,000 reports of suspect child pornography, of
which more than 25,000 valid child pornography sites have been reported to
the F.B.I and NCMEC.

ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online
Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing
reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary
monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.

I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their
proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers (ICANN).

I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible
business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and
support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the
adult industry and the global community.


Sincerely,


Joan Irvine
Executive Director
ASACP


We had no view thats funny how stupid do you think we are. Remember this when you pass their booth at the shows.

Originally Posted by Joan

I was surprised about the current postings on GFY on .xxx and ASACP. All this information has been available to the public since 5/17/04.

I would like to make a few statements.

1. The ASACP mission is to help battle child pornography and protect children on the internet. It does this by providing a CP reporting hotline. It also provides an Approved Member program which offers the benefit to its members of monitoring their sites which provides proof to government agencies that these adult sites are in no way involved with CP. Both of these efforts are progressing very well.

2. ASACP was approached for support. We decided that it was not in our mission to ?approve? or ?disapprove? such things. If the registry went through and they wanted to give ASACP money, it would be accepted, but we were not willing to take an official position for or against the registry, as that is not what ASACP does. ASACP reports CP to government agencies."

3. Alec Helmy of XBiz was the person who founded and funded ASACP from 1996 to 2002. However, ASACP is now a nonprofit association and completely separate from Alec's entities. Alec has always been diligent in his efforts to maintain this separation and in no way benefits financially from ASACP.

4. Recently, ASACP changed its name to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection to more effectively represent its members and nonprofit status, and work in harmony with government agencies and mainstream associations. The organization`s prior name and site no longer reflected the depth of its expanded mission. (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr030205.html).

5. ASACP has provided a child pornography reporting hotline since 1996 and sends over 3000 validated reports to the FBI, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and other relevant international hotlines annually. Last month, ASACP launched cpHotline.org with P2P Patrol (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr050305.html).

The P2P PATROL initiative, which represents a voluntary collaboration of technology and related service companies along with government agencies and trade groups, offers programs focusing on education, deterrence, and enforcement for combating online child pornography, and operates the P2Ppatrol.com website.

CPHotline.org is a valuable tool complimenting P2P PATROL in helping consumers who inadvertently encounter CP to recognize, remove, and report it.

6. ASACP`s next project is to work with the cell phone industry to develop a solution for its users to report child pornography as this is the newest distribution method.

7. As indicated by their work with the P2P Patrol, ASACP is pleased to help other groups be more effective in their efforts. On May 17, 2004, ASACP wrote a letter to IFFOR supporting their efforts to protect children;

"I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).

I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the adult industry and the global community."

8. As stated in the letter of 5/17/05 9 http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rf...msg00061.html), "ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography", just as it was negotiation with P2P Patrol (refer to #4 above).

9. My understanding is the IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP. This is no different than ASACP applying for government and other grants which it is doing this year.