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fireorange

Bro, you really get annoyed with "sig spots" don't you?

CDSmith

Remember though, you might only be able to speak from your own site's performance, but a long-time webmaster would likely be speaking from experience with dozens of different programs comprised of 100's of pay sites. That perspective is definitely where my opinion comes from.

As to your earlier point, I have on occasion sent traffic to lower-paying sponsors that I knew would do well for me, so you're right in part. But that other fellow's math was not flawed in essense, because if girlsite A is paying out 15%, and girlsites B-through-G are paying out 50%...... there is very little chance that site A is going to grab any significant share of the affilates looking to promote those types of sites. Thus girlsite A will make less money than the others unless girlsite A gets offer her ass and does all the promo on her own or else raises her payout to be competitive with that of the others.

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Nuff said.

Edit: Will anyone here other than Cheesefrog and I get this post?

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People that jump into threads and post "sig spot" are obviously deficient in some vital element their body needs in order to maintain proper brain activity.

They should be strapped down and given electroshock therapy, one week for every "sig spot" they ever posted.

We would obviously never see some of you again. :D

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Crypt

There is around 475 main solo girls site , not hard to replace her if you are going to 15%. Take 30 seconds to remove a link and replace it.

The next one will be happy to offer 50-65% or PPS.

15% is for mainstream products crap. Who the hell will promote a solo girl for 15% ? Waste of time, bandwith etc etc

Like usual , some models think affiliate programs are magic to get sales. IF you fuck up with affiliates , they will move to the next program and never come back.

Silicon

HAHAHA 0/0 does not = 0! ;-)

FelixFlow

also, don't link her to GFY. you're the boss, she models, she gets paid. you do your job, and she does hers.

DON'T link her to this thread...do u want a model questioning your business practices reading gfy.com?

c'mon man, you're not fucking thinking here!

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CheeseFrog

Damn, I haven't seen that pic in a while. Right now my car is sitting up on jackstands waiting for the new VTEC mill to go in. Pushing for 700+ hp at the wheels this time around

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CheeseFrog

That's exactly my point, but she's very new to the scene and is still learning about the way things work She has a lot of people telling her how they think things should be done, but none of them are actual WM's or program owners. Mostly just friends and photographers.

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Jace

what he fucking said

fucking sig spot loser cunt bitches

venus

A site can get all the affiliate they want, if they are not converting then they are not converting. There are amateur and single girl sites that will convert better then canned sites, so you could get 100% and still make less if it does not convert.

its all about what converts for your traffic, a lower payout on a lower percentage site can make you more money then a higher payout and vice versa, its all in the type of traffic and the type of site its sent to.

as for getting off ass and doing her own promo, it would be advised for any site to do that since most affiliates do not know how to get good diverse and targeted traffic, they all use tgp's and mgp's instead because they know nothing else.

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V_RocKs

Models have no business trying to run a business...

Look at the majority of solo sites run by the model featured. Do they make as much money as a Lightspeed site? Pretty much, no... Most of them come up and fail just like booth businesses at a mall. No one even knows the site exists here at GFY because she tries to do it all without affiliates even though CCBILL (her processor) has an affiliate system that an emu could run. Shame on her for trying to think.

I'd personally kick her to the curb.

fireorange

Yep, run a fusker site like you do.

TheMob

Yes, yes, but where are the pics?

TheMob

remind me to get out of this business before i turn out like you.

gideongallery

but that the point, the only people who would do this job would be those who could not make more than $10 /hour. Which means you will be losing money on hiring these guys.

If you are hiring people who don't know what they are doing and training to do everything, then the second they start making more than $10/ hour they will jump ship and work for themselves.

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basschick

you might just hint to your model that

1. she can make 50% of hundreds of webmasters' sales *OR* she can make 85% of ZERO sales. i don't know anyone in this business stupid enough to promote a site for 15%.

2. if she is a partner in your site, send her to some affiliate programs - the good ones - and she can see what the competition is paying (many up to 70%).

if she's not a partner, it's none of her business.

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pstation

how does supply and demand play into this? for online porn the supply is practically unlimited

Jace

that is not true...the last guy I had work for me sat with me for a week and learned what I do, and after that he was a fucking HORSE...he learned and did so much on his own, it rocked....

this position I talk about is an entry level position, not for someone that knows their shit and is already making money

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For 15% she better be really nice lookin.

Pics please.

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gideongallery

give me his info so i can take advantage of him as well

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Atticus

Actually those "booth businesses" at the mall make a fucking killing if you know what you are doing. ROI as high as 500% a year. And those failures will run you upwards of $10,000 a month for rent. Just saying.

CheeseFrog

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Jace

kickass body, but i don't care for her face...got anything head on?

eamedia

tell her to get on the floor and get back to work...

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CDsmith, I am truely sorry but I just typed out a very long response to your qoute of what I said. I managed to click the stupid ass new button on my mouse that paged back on me and it is lost now.

Main point is I took an unpopular opinion and am willing to ask why not?
Sure it may be outside of the norm, but it should never be taken as an insult to anyone. Not all affiliates are overpaid, many deserve every penny they generate.
Someone who is willing to take on an unpopular view and question the norm should not be thought the village idiot. Worst case is a business thread appears on GFY and actual buisness is discussed.

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iwantchixx

Let me break it down to why 50% is perfectly fair and 15% is absurd.

A affiliate sends your site a sale.
lets say the going rate is $19.95 for a membership.

At 50% that makes the webmaster $9.98 per sale.

Ok, take off processing and check fees and you're looking at $9.00 to the affiliate.

That $9 has to cover the bandwidth it took in page views to generate that selling click from the gallery/freesite/landingpage/banner/etc.

There's costs of advertising for gallery building affiliates to take into consideration too. That ranges anywhere's from $30 a month for a month's worth of listings to $600 a single day for one gallery. Multiply this by how ever many sites you pay for inclusion and/or review for inclusion.

Next, lets factor in the design time and money.

A good gallery design costs $30 in money and/or time. Same for a freesites and any other sites you build to promote with.

Now... simple scenario: It costs the gallery building affiliate $30 for a gallery, $20 in hosting after submitting to a few hundred sites and however much it costs for advertising (fees to get galleries review and/or placed) lets average the cost to being $100 for a simple low level gallery affiliate. That includes hosting, placement fees and time/money for the gallery design. Again, this is LOW level gallery affiliate. MANY are spending 10 times that per day.

He sends you 6 sales from this one gallery over time.

That equals $54. Multiply that by the industry standard 2.5 months that a member stays a member and you got $135 that the affiliate earns. $35 dollars profit. At that, the profit margin is pretty low to begin with but they bite it and submit more than one per day and find other methods of traffic generation, which still costs time/money.

Now lets look at this from a 15% standpoint that this greedy girl is suggesting.

That leaves the affiliate earning $5 from that single gallery thus leaving the affiliate in the hole by $95.

Now, to the girl wanting to drop payout to 15%: Are you intelligent enough and have enough financial backing and the drive to push galleries, freesites, landing pages, banner ads , SE pages etc etc every day 7 days a week X however many affiliates there are promoting your site?

I say this because nobody would take a hit of $95 each day because you don't understand what the numbers are. 50% is more than fair to pay affiliates. They worked hard, used their intelligence and put money and time on the table to promote you.

Don't be so fucking greedy.
You stick to spreading your legs, we'll stick to promotional campaigns. Pay the fair 50% and spend your money on coke, booze, useless handbags ...whatever. We don't care. Just don't think for a second that 50% is too much. There's a reason you're the one spreading and not the one selling and your suggestion proves it.

pornpf69

an extra 15 % would be very nice...heheheh

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iwantchixx

Why not just suggest taking 35% off her paychceck to teach her a lesson for trying to think.

Jace

if you are doing one side of things, you have to do the other....

now break costs down on the paysite owners side of things, i am too damn lazy to do it

iwantchixx

I thought about that just after I posted it. it works out to about the same as what gallery affiliates make at 50/50. it's just the startup cost that is a lot. but that's not the affiliates responsibility.

The site owner also has a large advantage. Advertising ability in their site directed at proven CC weilding hormone driven males.

thonglife

You'd be the lowest of any ccbill sponsor I have and probably lose traffic.

bllott

Sly

You could have 5 affiliates stupid enough to send you traffic for 15% (where you gross 85%) or you could have hundreds of affiliates sending you traffic for 50% (where you gross 50%). Its a volume game. If you as a paysite owner aren't willing to offer competitive rates to basically earn "free" sales and branding, than I as an affiliate would be more than happy to move on to a different program.

Affiliate programs base their business models on VOLUME.

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Tell her to worry about keeping her hips thin and the breasts perky so she keep that moneymaker workin!

Honestly, if you cant explain adult online economics to her, nobody here can.

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This girl would do great.
But really webmasters wouldnt settle for 15%, it does not matter how sweet she is.

And this girl looks very very sweet.

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Here's the other side of it. A paysite could REALISTICALLY pay 100% of what affiliates make them because of the FREE branding and type ins that are created from it. Ask a talkative paysite owner how many type ins they get out of nowhere from somebody remembering the url from a gallery and how many sales they pick up with no referral even though an affiliate got the customer there to begin with 3 months ago. They might pay 50% on paper but the actual figure is nowhere near that. Then you have word of mouth referrals from people that joined through an affiliate link but the person they told doesn't go back to the page it was seen on they type in the URL. That's just a few examples, there are many more.

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Jace

this is really a great informative thread....for once on gfy...WOO HOO!

rowan

You'd have to do something absolutely sensational for reasonable minded affiliates to accept a drop from 50% to 15%. Then there's still the rest of the affiliates left.

CheeseFrog

Excellent points, but I don't expect her to know this right off the bat. Like I said, she's new and there's a learning curve to this whole game. I like my girls to be involved somewhat in the back-end of the operation so that just in case anything ever happens to me, they might have some kind of clue about what to do. But right now, I'm afraid she's being fed misleading and uninformed advice from people who have never been in this business before. Thanks for putting things in perspective.

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The Ghost

I want to thank everyone for this thread. I like these types of business discussions and look forward to the next one!

Cheesefrog: You seem like you care about your models so the 'tell the bitch to shut the fuck up and spread her pussy' response isn't for you. The simplest answer is for her to understand you just can't do everything yourself. The old expression is 'jack of all trades... master of none.' But having knowledge of all areas is a great thing. It keeps your business in perspective and enables you to make informed descisions.

The simplest answer is for your model to start promoting herself though various methods. Maybe she's doing this already. She should have her own affilate code with an amazing payout percentage to motivate her. As long as it doesn't distract her from her primary responsibility of being content, it would help her understand the business better. And increase revenue and keep her interested in the business long. With the turn over of models in the adult/modeling business, keeping a quality model is a task in its self.

I can only assume you believe she has the mental capacity for this business. I know many people (younger and older) that lack the focus or commitment to be in business for themselves, or hell, for that matter others. Best of luck to you and your models.

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