I can't beleive sponsors are closing shop because of 2257? - GoFuckYourself.com

Quotealex · 06-19-2005, 07:17 AM

Make me wonder what kind of biz they had to begin with!

Doc911 · 06-19-2005, 07:20 AM

I watched a lot of them close when the 2257 was only proposed. Now that its here You'll see a flood of sites shutting down

Theo · 06-19-2005, 07:23 AM

don't say that. I've seen some really big and serious operations facing problem with 2257. More likely you'll hear for the upcoming days. In some cases the options are limited and closing a site is one of them.

imageman · 06-19-2005, 07:44 AM

Big sites have many thousands of videos and images and i can only imagine what a problem it will be to get all the info required from all the different content providers, some of which have gone out of business, some are in Europe. It could take many months if not years to persuade these people to send all the paperwork even if they can be found.
Im happy we shoot all our own models so the 2257 is just a pain in the ass and not a reason to close.

aleck · 06-19-2005, 07:53 AM

closing tho doesn't solve 2257 problems...

andrej_NDC · 06-19-2005, 07:55 AM

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closing tho doesn't solve 2257 problems...

exactly...

SomeCreep · 06-19-2005, 07:56 AM

I cant believe people believe they cant believe what they should believe.

Gawdy · 06-19-2005, 08:34 AM

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I cant believe people believe they cant believe what they should believe.

That's alot of believes

pussyluver · 06-19-2005, 08:37 AM

What we have here is one big fucking mess!

chadglni · 06-19-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by imageman

Big sites have many thousands of videos and images and i can only imagine what a problem it will be to get all the info required from all the different content providers, some of which have gone out of business, some are in Europe. It could take many months if not years to persuade these people to send all the paperwork even if they can be found.
Im happy we shoot all our own models so the 2257 is just a pain in the ass and not a reason to close.

Yet they still break the law by not giving out the required documents to affiliates that ever published their material. Lets just hope this stuff is shot down because otherwise we're all fucked in one way or another.

mrthumbs · 06-19-2005, 08:42 AM

And the funny thing is.. unless some borderline pedo material is found i dont think 2257 will ever be enforced on an adult webmaster/program hahaha

andrej_NDC · 06-19-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Yet they still break the law by not giving out the required documents to affiliates that ever published their material.

affiliates are responsible for themselfs

chadglni · 06-19-2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

affiliates are responsible for themselfs

It is in the new regulations that if an affiliate must have documents from a sponsor to comply they LEGALLY have to give them to the affiliate.

kernelpanic · 06-19-2005, 08:58 AM

Some sponsors drive enough traffic themselves that the loss of affiliates isn't a big problem - in the past few years, a number of sponsors have been wanting to get away from affiliates and drive more traffic in house. I'm sure there are other reasons, too, but 2257 is just the tip of the iceberg. Nobody running a massively profitable operation is just going to close shop because of some new paperwork.

Manga1 · 06-19-2005, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by aleck

closing tho doesn't solve 2257 problems...

Why not? If you take the content down before the 23rd how do you have a problem?

mrthumbs · 06-19-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kernelpanic

Nobody running a massively profitable operation is just going to close shop because of some new paperwork.

Dont underestimate the idiots running some businesses

Probono · 06-19-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Manga1

Why not? If you take the content down before the 23rd how do you have a problem?

I suspect you ahve not read the rules, they are retroactive to 1995. The law has been on the books since 1990, just not enforced. They can pursue anyone including affiliates for materials posted since 1995. Shutting down today will not help if they have you on their short list already.

kernelpanic · 06-19-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mrthumbs

Dont underestimate the idiots running some businesses

Anyone raking in fat cash isn't an idiot. I can see some of the troubled affiliate programs going under, but not the extremely successful ones - to get to that point, you can't be a dumbass like many of the people in this industry are.

Manga1 · 06-19-2005, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Probono

I suspect you ahve not read the rules, they are retroactive to 1995. The law has been on the books since 1990, just not enforced. They can pursue anyone including affiliates for materials posted since 1995. Shutting down today will not help if they have you on their short list already.

How can the new rules be retroactive if they weren't on the books before? For example there was nothing about secondary producers in the previous law, so how can that be applied to anything before the 23rd?

andrej_NDC · 06-19-2005, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

It is in the new regulations that if an affiliate must have documents from a sponsor to comply they LEGALLY have to give them to the affiliate.

The affiliate is reponsible for the content he hosts and for the way he promotes the sponsor. If the sponsor dont give him the IDs, he have to use non-explicit promo tools. Do you want to say that LightSpeedCash and few other companies handle this illegal? No, they dont.

Probono · 06-19-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Manga1

How can the new rules be retroactive if they weren't on the books before? For example there was nothing about secondary producers in the previous law, so how can that be applied to anything before the 23rd?

I suggest you take the advice of Dave Cummings and read the material AVN has posted on 2257. The law has been on the books since 1990, the new rules say they are retroactive to 1995. I never said I like it or agree with it but that si the what they are stating.

http://www.avn.com/2257

chadglni · 06-19-2005, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

The affiliate is reponsible for the content he hosts and for the way he promotes the sponsor. If the sponsor dont give him the IDs, he have to use non-explicit promo tools. Do you want to say that LightSpeedCash and few other companies handle this illegal? No, they dont.

If they gave out explicit material in the past and refuse to give documentation then in my opinion yes. I don't know anyone that has specifically requested docs becasue ALL SPONSORS are saying "just take it down by the 23rd". Go read the regulations, it's in plain English. You hosted it after 1995, you must have ID. Sponsor doesn't want to give it, they are breaking the law.

--Not a lawyer, not legal advice, my opinion only.

chadglni · 06-19-2005, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Probono

I suggest you take the advice of Dave Cummings and read the material AVN has posted on 2257. The law has been on the books since 1990, the new rules say they are retroactive to 1995. I never said I like it or agree with it but that si the what they are stating.

http://www.avn.com/2257

Thank you! Please post in this thread as well. I've been mentioning this for weeks and nobody seems to give a damn.

http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=482598

MandyBlake · 06-19-2005, 09:17 AM

a lot of the smaller ones closing down may not make enough money where it's worth the hassle.

chadglni · 06-19-2005, 09:20 AM

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a lot of the smaller ones closing down may not make enough money where it's worth the hassle.

Sigh... Closed down or not they still have to provide the right documentation to any affiliates that had that content! Closing down doesn't help anything.

Probono · 06-19-2005, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MandyBlake

a lot of the smaller ones closing down may not make enough money where it's worth the hassle.

Let's ignore the fact that it is retroactive for the sake of discussion. If you have your own single girl site earning a few hundred a month (there are thousands of these) would you be willing to rent and office and be there to be in compliance or would you prefer to post your home address in the compliance statement or might you just chose to shut down and hope this will all go away.

Of course this will cause a lot of amateur sites to go away.

blackfeet · 06-19-2005, 09:53 AM

probono...thanks for the avn 2257 link. easy to read and understand.

BuggyG · 06-19-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by imageman

Im happy we shoot all our own models so the 2257 is just a pain in the ass and not a reason to close.

same here.. basically just going thru mounds of releases.. and getting everything up to date with it.

06-19-2005, 07:17 AM	#1
Quotealex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Global Digerati Village Posts: 6,265	I can't beleive sponsors are closing shop because of 2257? Make me wonder what kind of biz they had to begin with!

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06-19-2005, 07:44 AM	#4
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	This is what happens when you dont shoot your own content Big sites have many thousands of videos and images and i can only imagine what a problem it will be to get all the info required from all the different content providers, some of which have gone out of business, some are in Europe. It could take many months if not years to persuade these people to send all the paperwork even if they can be found. Im happy we shoot all our own models so the 2257 is just a pain in the ass and not a reason to close.

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	don't say that. I've seen some really big and serious operations facing problem with 2257. More likely you'll hear for the upcoming days. In some cases the options are limited and closing a site is one of them.

06-19-2005, 08:37 AM	#9
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	What we have here is one big fucking mess!

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mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	And the funny thing is.. unless some borderline pedo material is found i dont think 2257 will ever be enforced on an adult webmaster/program hahaha

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kernelpanic Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,961	Some sponsors drive enough traffic themselves that the loss of affiliates isn't a big problem - in the past few years, a number of sponsors have been wanting to get away from affiliates and drive more traffic in house. I'm sure there are other reasons, too, but 2257 is just the tip of the iceberg. Nobody running a massively profitable operation is just going to close shop because of some new paperwork. __________________ ZangoCash - Turn Your Traffic Into Ca$h. $.40 Per Install - No Tier

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MandyBlake The one and only! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 17,761	a lot of the smaller ones closing down may not make enough money where it's worth the hassle. __________________ Mandy's Playhouse Her First Fat Girl If you're interested in promoting my sites, ICQ me! 178411921

06-19-2005, 09:53 AM	#27
blackfeet Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 589	probono...thanks for the avn 2257 link. easy to read and understand.