EpicCash.com Complaint - GoFuckYourself.com

Ace-Ace · 06-30-2005, 11:42 PM

Before I heavily promote a program, I want to make sure that it's 100% operable with no hitches. One of the things I do is a test signup (in this case, the free signup for epiccams.com...which requires a credit card and whatnot). I went through the full process, and no revenue was credited to my account (it's been over a week at this point).

I've heard humors of certain companies skimming sales. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like that's exactly the case here. I'm usually not one to bitch & complain, but that seems a bit assinine...and obvious.

Anybody have any input on this situation?

newbreed · 06-30-2005, 11:54 PM

What part of Dayton are you from?

WWC-Moe B. · 06-30-2005, 11:57 PM

EpicCash are solid people in my book...

pr0 · 07-01-2005, 12:00 AM

What browser were you using, did you send any traffic or atleast fake traffic before sending a test signup, some programs won't count a signup if you just signed up & have 0 hits, its part of their fraud protection.

dirtydesignz · 07-01-2005, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

What browser were you using, did you send any traffic or atleast fake traffic before sending a test signup, some programs won't count a signup if you just signed up & have 0 hits, its part of their fraud protection.

Good point...and also, if it HAD been credited to your account, would you have told EpicCash about your 'test' or would you have just left it as fraud on YOUR end and get paid for the sale?

Theo · 07-01-2005, 12:11 AM

everytime i see your nickname i remember Avril

pr0 · 07-01-2005, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtydesignz

Good point...and also, if it HAD been credited to your account, would you have told EpicCash about your 'test' or would you have just left it as fraud on YOUR end and get paid for the sale?

Well i won't start this discussion, what his intentions were or were not are irrelevant to me...i just figured i would explain common reasons why this would happen.

Typically if you want to test a sponsor for shaving, buy some really shitty traffic, let an hour pass after its done, then, signup for a 1-time signup fee, or let it rebill until you are even or have lost a dollar....that way its not fraudulent.

Plus there are so many fucking variables, like cookies, browser etc. etc., you would have to do it with multiple cards from multiple places. And you would have to look in the TOS of the program & find out if singing up for their site under your own id is tolerated period. If not they can legally come back & tell you to fuck off anyways.

But what i would NOT DO, is make one purchase, then come on GFY & even hint that a major sponsor was shaving. I would do it on a much larger scale from freshly installed pc's on different ip's in different states & countrys. Then come & post PROOF. (which could be debunked itself) but atleast i'd know for myself & find another sponsor.

synapse · 07-01-2005, 01:59 AM

My question is why haven't you brought your matter to the attention of the Epic guys ?

As a program owner I'd hope that if there was any concern of discrepancy with a partner of ours they'd come to us and help us work it out. I know we, and I'm sure Epic, spend a lot of resources trying to make support available to partners. So shoot 'em an email or IM I'm sure u guys can work it out.

Nader · 07-01-2005, 02:14 AM

i don't think a top contender in the adult affiliate world would
stoop so low to take a single signup from a new affiliate.

Now I'm wondering if you used a test signup number? if so
most programs won't log that sale unless it's a real account.

It's hard for me to imagine a legit company like Epic to take
sales from others. I've known and have dealt biz with them
for a long period of time and never did i see one sale missing.

Just my

Manowar · 07-01-2005, 02:25 AM

their fraud protection might have got it

PupDaddy · 07-01-2005, 02:28 AM

What did EPICCASH support tell you? I'm assuming you already did that before posting on a public board.

V_RocKs · 07-01-2005, 03:00 AM

I just want to let you all know that this would never happen at Flash Cash who are in my sig. Why? Because they payout immediately! If it isn't in your epassporte account within 10 minutes, you'd know... But it will always be there because they don't fuck around.

darksoul · 07-01-2005, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I just want to let you all know that this would never happen at Flash Cash who are in my sig. Why? Because they payout immediately! If it isn't in your epassporte account within 10 minutes, you'd know... But it will always be there because they don't fuck around.

That sounds a bit risky. Theres a reason why everyone releases payments only after some time has passed.

VIPimp · 07-01-2005, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace-Ace

Before I heavily promote a program, I want to make sure that it's 100% operable with no hitches. One of the things I do is a test signup (in this case, the free signup for epiccams.com...which requires a credit card and whatnot). I went through the full process, and no revenue was credited to my account (it's been over a week at this point).

I've heard humors of certain companies skimming sales. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like that's exactly the case here. I'm usually not one to bitch & complain, but that seems a bit assinine...and obvious.

Anybody have any input on this situation?

Nice that you didnt bother to even contact me before makeing this post...

Did you login as the member after you signed up for the $1 lifetime or Free LifeTime join?

Contact me so I can find the signup (if you did signup) and see what the problem with it was.

icq 167019888 ... aim VIPkourush ... email cory at epiccash.com

VIPimp · 07-01-2005, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I just want to let you all know that this would never happen at Flash Cash who are in my sig. Why? Because they payout immediately! If it isn't in your epassporte account within 10 minutes, you'd know... But it will always be there because they don't fuck around.

It would never happen there just because they payout right away? why would that make a difference?... nice spam tho.

VIPimp · 07-01-2005, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

That sounds a bit risky. Theres a reason why everyone releases payments only after some time has passed.

yep... too many cheaters out there.

xNetworx · 07-01-2005, 03:22 AM

Epic Cash is 100% legit from my dealings with them and you have to be kidding to make a post like this. You are so worried about 1 "test" join that you didn't try to see a great progarm's potential?

Worldnet · 07-01-2005, 03:40 AM

Never made a dime off them. Very strange!

VIPimp · 07-01-2005, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Worldnet

Never made a dime off them. Very strange!

yea? contact me, I would love to see your stats with us.

pstation · 07-01-2005, 03:58 AM

Are you positive that your computer is free of spyware? I'm not sure if this is a problem in this "biz" yet, but we have this problem quite frequently in mainstream where spyware on a surfer's pc will overwrite their cookie or alter the link so that the spyware vendor gets paid for the sale/signup rather than the webmaster.

sonofsam · 07-01-2005, 04:02 AM

this is my 8k post and i'm dedicating it to Epic Cash rocks, and you should really have hit VI Pimp up before posting here man, hes a very good and reasonable rep whos been doing this a long time.. i'm sure he would have gone over your account with you and worked it out.

pstation · 07-01-2005, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I just want to let you all know that this would never happen at Flash Cash who are in my sig. Why? Because they payout immediately! If it isn't in your epassporte account within 10 minutes, you'd know... But it will always be there because they don't fuck around.

seems pretty risky to me...what's to stop some kid in china from getting a bunch of stolen credit cards and signing up with them?

VIPimp · 07-01-2005, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

this is my 8k post and i'm dedicating it to Epic Cash rocks, and you should really have hit VI Pimp up before posting here man, hes a very good and reasonable rep whos been doing this a long time.. i'm sure he would have gone over your account with you and worked it out.

Thanks bro... congrats on the 8k

PupDaddy · 07-01-2005, 06:38 AM

I don't think,he even signed up.

chadglni · 07-01-2005, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtydesignz

Good point...and also, if it HAD been credited to your account, would you have told EpicCash about your 'test' or would you have just left it as fraud on YOUR end and get paid for the sale?

I know you weren't asking me but I wouldn't tell them shit. A test signup should be expected with so many companies being outed for shaving etc.

chadglni · 07-01-2005, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

That sounds a bit risky. Theres a reason why everyone releases payments only after some time has passed.

That's just what they tell you.

SomeCreep · 07-01-2005, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace-Ace

Before I heavily promote a program, I want to make sure that it's 100% operable with no hitches. One of the things I do is a test signup (in this case, the free signup for epiccams.com...which requires a credit card and whatnot). I went through the full process, and no revenue was credited to my account (it's been over a week at this point).

I've heard humors of certain companies skimming sales. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like that's exactly the case here. I'm usually not one to bitch & complain, but that seems a bit assinine...and obvious.

Anybody have any input on this situation?

What were you thinking? You started a thread with the title "EpicCash.com Complaint" on the biggest adult webmaster board in the industry, before you even contacted them regarding this situation? Very lame and unprofessional.

OldSchoolJim · 07-01-2005, 07:10 AM

Looks like Ace Ace was just trying to stir a little shit....i see he has not responded to any of this...

chadglni · 07-01-2005, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 2getit

Looks like Ace Ace was just trying to stir a little shit....i see he has not responded to any of this...

And here I thought he probably just went to bed..... or outside.

andrej_NDC · 07-01-2005, 10:15 AM

Epiccash are good people, I do trust them.

VIPimp · 07-01-2005, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni

That's just what they tell you.

Do you run a pps affiliate program?

PPS on $1/free lifetime joins, you better believe there is going to be a hold time and many fraud protection features put in place.

edit: still waiting for ace to contact me about this "signup"

chadglni · 07-01-2005, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIPimp

Do you run a pps affiliate program?

PPS on $1/free lifetime joins, you better believe there is going to be a hold time and many fraud protection features put in place.

edit: still waiting for ace to contact me about this "signup"

That excuse just doesn't work with me. Not to mention that at $20 PPS using the streammate backend I could pay out the same as you guys for people sending signups to my affiliate code at a different front end. Sure you have fraud measures in place but established affiliates have to deal with the same b/s as the 1 signup a month guy you don't know. Everyone uses fraud as an excuse but site a can pay weekly, b twice a month, and c pays monthly or has a 3 or 4 week hold on the first check. Site a pays more than sites b and c. Hmmmmm

SmokeyTheBear · 07-01-2005, 10:37 AM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=477184

heh.. but seriously. If a program is sneaky(stupid) enough to shave they certainly are going to be smart enough not to shave the first sale. And epiccash is not that sneaky ( nor stupid )

justsexxx · 07-01-2005, 10:41 AM

Many pps programs have a security thing that the member has to login first...Did you do this? If not try so.

To bad I never had luck with them either. I still have 40-60 bucks there, but they won't release it, since the payout for EU webmasters is 100 (even for epassporte) while for US webmasters it's 25USD. Oh well, never understood why they made this difference for US/EU webmasters with epass. But since they refused, I know how helpful they are

tranza · 07-01-2005, 10:49 AM

Where's the guy that started this thread?

Rich · 07-01-2005, 10:53 AM

Epic cash shaves, that's nothing new. What do you expect from a program run by a racist scumbag criminal? Honesty? lol

MickeyG · 07-01-2005, 10:54 AM

I do random test signups with all my new sponsors. If you think no one shaves you're sadly mistaken.

brand0n · 07-01-2005, 11:34 AM

i convert 1:12 with epic cams or better, if they are shaving, i dont see how.

unless im really converting 1:6, and then i would consider myself a god

chadglni · 07-01-2005, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brand0n

i convert 1:12 with epic cams or better, if they are shaving, i dont see how.

unless im really converting 1:6, and then i would consider myself a god

You must prequalify to death.

Muff · 07-01-2005, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

You must prequalify to death.

Hes got #1 Position on all major engines for "Dick in one hand CC in The other, I want to join a paysite"

On a serious note. I've always done well with the small amount of traffic I send to Epic.

Muff · 07-01-2005, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni

You must prequalify to death.

Hes got #1 Position on all major engines for "Dick in one hand CC in The other, I want to join a paysite"

On a serious note. I've always done well with the small amount of traffic I send to Epic. Sounds like possible fraud screening to me.

O MARINA · 07-01-2005, 11:53 AM

Cory we must be getting all of Ace-ace's sales lol

VeriSexy · 07-01-2005, 12:24 PM

All sponsors shave

Ace-Ace · 07-01-2005, 01:05 PM

Yes, I posted here before contacting epiccash support just so see if anybody else has had similar experiences. I understand this is on a very small scale...and isn't any major concern (which is why I didn't make it a big deal).

Regardless, it's probably best to get a hold of Cory directly (which I will do) and not bring this up to the general public until there is something concrete. I'm not "calling out EpicCash" in any way...they're one of the biggest companies, and for good reason I'm sure. However, I just wanted to get some general feedback from the community on something like this.

Ace-Ace · 07-01-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by newbreed

What part of Dayton are you from?

Beavercreek area

Ace-Ace · 07-01-2005, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni

And here I thought he probably just went to bed..... or outside.

Yes I did go to bed (actually some Battlefield 2 for a few hours, then bed!)...back now though.

V_RocKs · 07-01-2005, 01:16 PM

I actually do well with Epic... And I understand fraud screening systems, it is VERY likely that it was screened.

johndoebob · 07-01-2005, 01:18 PM

No clue whats going on but I seriously can't complain about them.

Todays first Epic Booty signup at a ultra low conversion rate.

PGR · 07-01-2005, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pstation

Are you positive that your computer is free of spyware? I'm not sure if this is a problem in this "biz" yet, but we have this problem quite frequently in mainstream where spyware on a surfer's pc will overwrite their cookie or alter the link so that the spyware vendor gets paid for the sale/signup rather than the webmaster.

How the fuck can these spyware assholes get away with that shit? There must be some way for sponsors to detect that kind of thing.

Ace-Ace · 07-01-2005, 01:20 PM

I spoke with Cory @ EpicCash and worked things out...everything is taken care of, just some misunderstandings.

ADMIN: Feel free to kill this thread.

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07-01-2005, 12:00 AM	#4
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07-01-2005, 02:14 AM	#9
Nader Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 5,086	i don't think a top contender in the adult affiliate world would stoop so low to take a single signup from a new affiliate. Now I'm wondering if you used a test signup number? if so most programs won't log that sale unless it's a real account. It's hard for me to imagine a legit company like Epic to take sales from others. I've known and have dealt biz with them for a long period of time and never did i see one sale missing. Just my Last edited by Nader; 07-01-2005 at 02:16 AM..

07-01-2005, 02:28 AM	#11
PupDaddy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 30	What did EPICCASH support tell you? I'm assuming you already did that before posting on a public board. Last edited by PupDaddy; 07-01-2005 at 02:31 AM..

06-30-2005, 11:42 PM	#1
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	EpicCash.com Complaint Before I heavily promote a program, I want to make sure that it's 100% operable with no hitches. One of the things I do is a test signup (in this case, the free signup for epiccams.com...which requires a credit card and whatnot). I went through the full process, and no revenue was credited to my account (it's been over a week at this point). I've heard humors of certain companies skimming sales. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like that's exactly the case here. I'm usually not one to bitch & complain, but that seems a bit assinine...and obvious. Anybody have any input on this situation? __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons

07-01-2005, 12:11 AM	#6
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	everytime i see your nickname i remember Avril

07-01-2005, 01:59 AM	#8
synapse NameNetwork.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,175	My question is why haven't you brought your matter to the attention of the Epic guys ? As a program owner I'd hope that if there was any concern of discrepancy with a partner of ours they'd come to us and help us work it out. I know we, and I'm sure Epic, spend a lot of resources trying to make support available to partners. So shoot 'em an email or IM I'm sure u guys can work it out.

07-01-2005, 02:25 AM	#10
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	their fraud protection might have got it

07-01-2005, 03:00 AM	#12
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	I just want to let you all know that this would never happen at Flash Cash who are in my sig. Why? Because they payout immediately! If it isn't in your epassporte account within 10 minutes, you'd know... But it will always be there because they don't fuck around.

07-01-2005, 03:22 AM	#17
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	Epic Cash is 100% legit from my dealings with them and you have to be kidding to make a post like this. You are so worried about 1 "test" join that you didn't try to see a great progarm's potential?

07-01-2005, 03:40 AM	#18
Worldnet Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 996	Never made a dime off them. Very strange!

07-01-2005, 03:58 AM	#20
pstation Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: chicago Posts: 1,135	Are you positive that your computer is free of spyware? I'm not sure if this is a problem in this "biz" yet, but we have this problem quite frequently in mainstream where spyware on a surfer's pc will overwrite their cookie or alter the link so that the spyware vendor gets paid for the sale/signup rather than the webmaster.

07-01-2005, 04:02 AM	#21
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	this is my 8k post and i'm dedicating it to Epic Cash rocks, and you should really have hit VI Pimp up before posting here man, hes a very good and reasonable rep whos been doing this a long time.. i'm sure he would have gone over your account with you and worked it out. __________________ I like turtles.

07-01-2005, 06:38 AM	#24
PupDaddy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 30	I don't think,he even signed up.

07-01-2005, 07:10 AM	#28
OldSchoolJim Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,117	Looks like Ace Ace was just trying to stir a little shit....i see he has not responded to any of this...

07-01-2005, 10:15 AM	#30
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Epiccash are good people, I do trust them.

07-01-2005, 10:37 AM	#33
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=477184 heh.. but seriously. If a program is sneaky(stupid) enough to shave they certainly are going to be smart enough not to shave the first sale. And epiccash is not that sneaky ( nor stupid ) __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

07-01-2005, 10:41 AM	#34
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Many pps programs have a security thing that the member has to login first...Did you do this? If not try so. To bad I never had luck with them either. I still have 40-60 bucks there, but they won't release it, since the payout for EU webmasters is 100 (even for epassporte) while for US webmasters it's 25USD. Oh well, never understood why they made this difference for US/EU webmasters with epass. But since they refused, I know how helpful they are __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

07-01-2005, 10:49 AM	#35
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Where's the guy that started this thread? __________________ I'm just a newbie.

07-01-2005, 10:53 AM	#36
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Epic cash shaves, that's nothing new. What do you expect from a program run by a racist scumbag criminal? Honesty? lol

07-01-2005, 10:54 AM	#37
MickeyG Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 4,134	I do random test signups with all my new sponsors. If you think no one shaves you're sadly mistaken.

07-01-2005, 11:34 AM	#38
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	i convert 1:12 with epic cams or better, if they are shaving, i dont see how. unless im really converting 1:6, and then i would consider myself a god __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

07-01-2005, 11:53 AM	#42
O MARINA I'm clockin' ya, Versace shade watchin' ya Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: internet Posts: 13,795	Cory we must be getting all of Ace-ace's sales lol

07-01-2005, 12:24 PM	#43
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07-01-2005, 01:05 PM	#44
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	Yes, I posted here before contacting epiccash support just so see if anybody else has had similar experiences. I understand this is on a very small scale...and isn't any major concern (which is why I didn't make it a big deal). Regardless, it's probably best to get a hold of Cory directly (which I will do) and not bring this up to the general public until there is something concrete. I'm not "calling out EpicCash" in any way...they're one of the biggest companies, and for good reason I'm sure. However, I just wanted to get some general feedback from the community on something like this. __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons

07-01-2005, 01:16 PM	#47
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	I actually do well with Epic... And I understand fraud screening systems, it is VERY likely that it was screened.

07-01-2005, 01:18 PM	#48
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	No clue whats going on but I seriously can't complain about them. Todays first Epic Booty signup at a ultra low conversion rate. __________________

07-01-2005, 01:20 PM	#50
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	I spoke with Cory @ EpicCash and worked things out...everything is taken care of, just some misunderstandings. ADMIN: Feel free to kill this thread. __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons