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Now those are good examples. The categorizing one I don't like so much because I think that would take more time than just approving/denying. If you don't mind me asking, did you guys have an inhouse person manage your list's QA or was it up to each PPC / campaign manager to deal with it? WG
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2) It would need to be spread amongst multiple outsourcing firms if this route is actually used, otherwise its rather simple to just merge the portions together from different staffers. WG
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Been robbed, will never do it again. NDA won't help shit when they are on another continent.
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SEO is all about knowledge and reading and testing some shit out ;)
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but hey maybe you should just ask someone here to do the work, since you already explained it all and stuff.
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Have you considered hiring a first/second year english/history student for a few hours a week?
They'd present minimum competition and would be glad to work a few hours a week for 10 bucks an hour - pizza money goes long way when one's a student.. you're in a prime location for that too. I'd never use an outsourcing company for this though, too risky.
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Eventually the ppcs figured out that relevancy couldn't be achieved by bid alone, and started setting various guidelines. Overture in particularly got quite harsh with us and if they found more than a few inappropriate words would just reject the whole submission. It was tedious and time consuming but cleaning the keyword lists really wasn't that bad. We had various people in our company do it, sometimes even having all office categorization parties. Usually it fell to the new person to do this since nobody else wanted to do it, and we figured it was a good way to increase their vocabulary. Getting to explain the word 'bukkake' was always a treat. These days we're a bit more cooperative with the search engines so the relevancy checking is sort of shared between our campaign managers and the search engine's people. We also don't harvest keywords in the same way we once did so there isn't too much garbage in our lists.
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Since I got a bit nostalgic writing that last post, I decided to poke around in some of my old files. I guess there won't be much harm in releasing this "trade secret" now.
adult porn porno sex smut breasts tits bobs ass arse hahahaha pussy cock dick fuck suck cum sperm semen The was the original keyword list that we thought up, to prime our GoTo and Altavista keyword harvesters. After we finished running these words through AV/GoTo and feeding the results back into AV/GoTo it turned into a list of about 100k phrases of which about 25k were adult related and made semi-sense. I hope nobody copies our technique. ![]()
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There are those of us who run outsourcing companies that value the clients far more than the clients trade secrets. It would NOT be in the best interest of the outsourcing company to take the things they are doing for one client and use it for another client, simply because things like this always get back and when they do, you have lost not only one but TWO clients. Losing long term business isn't near worth it to me in my opinion. To anyone that would abuse this, they aren't serious about what they do and shouldn't be in business anyway, much less in a matter such as this.
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He he, Chuck told me about the gaza strip example. That one was rather funny, seeing your sites coming up for that listing. And as I recall, yes, Overture used your initial lists as their master adult lists because of the sheer size. Although OV's editors have become inches away of being nazi's, their quality sure has increased. One thing I did like about doing the keyword research myself though was the vocabulary, learning tons of new words I would have never thought of. Hell, it was an accident I discovered what hentai was and now it makes up a nice percentage of media buys. Thanks Brian ![]() WG
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Similiar strategy here, going from a handful of seed basewords and then exploding into hundreds of thousands of keywords. Its the manual labour of removing those useless keywords that's the time consuming part. I'm surprised you kept over 25% of your initial phrases though, I typically keept 5-7%. WG
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I was glossing over some of the details. Our first havest which was based on the list above found about 100k phrases which certainly didn't yield 25k cleaned words. 25k was our peak adult list, we didn't achieve that until a year or two later.
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fgrep -v microsoft inputfile | fgrep -v yahoo | (... more bad keys ...) > outputfile
that will help you clean your list quicker
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I already have white and black lists that are run against many regexp's to help automate some of these steps, but there's no replacement for the human brain to evaluate if something is relevant or not. WG
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What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets* See http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html |
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The question seems to come down to should you outsource it to a college student or to an outsourcing company. Either way, you are outsourcing the work, so no matter the option, you will have certain risks.
I personally think the outsourcing company works best because of more natural barriers to entering as competition (though none are a major obstacle) such as language, connectivity, skills, etc. Of course, the cost savings may make it easier to have multiple people doing different tasks. I personally trust Rick and iWebmasters. However, there is no way to eliminate risk in any business endeavor (there's your free legal advice!) Just my ![]() Matt
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IWebmasters is still based somewhere, in the Philipines specifically, and they have managers, and even the emloyees have access to the lists / copies of them. I had a bad number of ordeals with outsourcing, and now I just don't trust it because of how much I thought I knew the person in question and trusted them; maybe I'm just unlucky though.
I am doing everything critical to myself, and I actually hope anyone who knows what they're doing do the same; so there's less actual competition, and if there's a top 5 SEOs that join up ... can do a lot with that much. ![]() Matt Quote:
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