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4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by scardog

4themoney, Old Ibill/ New Ibill what is the difference to the webmasters that used the "old ibill" and are owed lots of money?

If IBD bought the assets and liablilities of Ibill, then they still owe webmasters lots of money. I think if Ibill is going forward, they should discuss how they will pay everyone what they owe them. Until them you are only going to get lots of fuck ibill statements. If someone took money from you, and didn't pay you back, you would probably feel the same way.

You could have declared bankruptcy but didn't. Okay, if the old webmasters don't get paid, why do they care if you declare bankruptcy or not? I would like Ibill old or new to clear all of their debts to webmasters. Now that is a platform you could hang your hat on.

IBDI took over in February... How long do you think it should take to payout $42,000,000?

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by scardog

You could have declared bankruptcy but didn't. Okay, if the old webmasters don't get paid, why do they care if you declare bankruptcy or not? I would like Ibill old or new to clear all of their debts to webmasters. Now that is a platform you could hang your hat on.

Precisely...

Those of us who haven't been paid can't tell the difference between bankruptcy and buy-out.

SilentKnight

poppet · 11-01-2005, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

Once your Jukebox is ready to play then what, are you going to come one here and praise iBill. No, You're just going to complain about how long it took to get.

Damn right. It shouldn't have taken so long at all. Why sing praises of a company who didn't pay out on time? Are you THAT easy to please, or has your wool not yet grown back in, (waits for him to figure THAT out).

This is a BUSINESS. Old or new iBill, nothing has been said, (except by you, who is apparently the new happy hippy mouthpiece for them), about payment to ANYONE.

Quit shoveling shit and save it for the rest of the sheep who will blindly follow.

Manowar · 11-01-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by poppet

Damn, how many times am I gonna hafta post my Halloween costume?

poppet · 11-01-2005, 09:06 AM

'Scuse me. i have some anger issues to deal with.

scardog · 11-01-2005, 09:06 AM

IBDI took over in February... How long do you think it should take to payout $42,000,000?

If you want to salvage your reputation, maybe that stolen $42,000,000 should have been part of the purchase price. Then the amount of time it would take to pay it out would be equal to the amount of time it took to run with it.

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 09:07 AM

Once debts are paid, what will be left to complain about. iBill will reconcile with past clients, and life will go on. But perpetual corporate hate only gets things so far. Benefit of the doubt is my policy. If you don't know, you can't say. And since iBill hasn't had enough time to payout $42,000,000 they are sorry. All the people who have been paid just aren't out telling the world, but they have stopped bitching.

CherryLipsRosa · 11-01-2005, 09:07 AM

What a loss, even if they pay everyone their reputation is lower than low. Like my dad always use to say: First fool is not a fool but a second fool is a bloody fool.

Scream wolf as much as you want this time nobody is going to come.

mikeyddddd · 11-01-2005, 09:07 AM

4TheMoney, like I said in your thread, go lick Skufty's balls.

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

IBDI took over in February... How long do you think it should take to payout $42,000,000?

Why has the figure now leaped to $42 million? All along it was only around $30 million.

Besides that, iBill has claimed to have paid the majority of that back already after an agreement was reached with First Data.

Its now November. 9 months down the road.

You tell us.

SilentKnight

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

Once your Jukebox is ready to play then what, are you going to come one here and praise iBill. No, You're just going to complain about how long it took to get.

How the fuck do you profess to know what I plan to do or not do in the future - if and when I ever see a dime that's owed from iBill? You got a crystal ball in your arse?

My jukebox never stopped playing. It just ain't singing iBill's praises.

SilentKnight

imageman · 11-01-2005, 09:12 AM

Iballs died on September 2004 and i have not seen anything to disprove this. You Mickey Dees rejects that now work for Iballs should stop posting the corporate rhetoric and false promises trying to lure newbies to sign up with a company destine to fail.
The only time you should post is when all webmasters have been paid in full for monies outstanding and not until then !

scardog · 11-01-2005, 09:12 AM

Once debts are paid, what will be left to complain about. iBill will reconcile with past clients, and life will go on. But perpetual corporate hate only gets things so far. Benefit of the doubt is my policy. If you don't know, you can't say. And since iBill hasn't had enough time to payout $42,000,000 they are sorry. All the people who have been paid just aren't out telling the world, but they have stopped bitching.

Yes, once the debts are paid, I believe Ibill can recover. People will still bitch, since they were lied to and stolen from. But, when restitution has been made, your position will be MUCH stronger. Webmasters would rather be paid, than bitch, believe me. When they get paid, they will come here and tell the world. That begs the question, as why the webmasters that have been paid are not here saying it?

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

All the people who have been paid just aren't out telling the world, but they have stopped bitching.

Since I haven't seen a single webmaster on GFY step forward and say they've been paid - there must be an oath of secrecy akin to the JFK assassination cover-up happening.

SilentKnight

imageman · 11-01-2005, 09:21 AM

The only reason i can think of is that payment was made to companies taking legal action against Iball's and that settlements made are subject to a non disclosure clause. If these larger programs received 100% settlement Iballs isn't going to want the smaller programs and webmasters to know because they will try to make them settle for a lesser amount say 50 cents on the dollar ?

At the end of the day its pay up or shut up !

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by imageman

The only reason i can think of is that payment was made to companies taking legal action against Iball's and that settlements made are subject to a non disclosure clause. If these larger programs received 100% settlement Iballs isn't going to want the smaller programs and webmasters to know because they will try to make them settle for a lesser amount say 50 cents on the dollar ?

Food for thought.

SilentKnight

MacDaddyPlaya · 11-01-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

If everyone (this means you) did their due diligence and took a look at the situation, they would see that iBill could have declared bankruptcy. Instead, Interactive Brand Development Inc. (IBDI) bought iBill and took the blame, the shame, and the DEBT. The new iBill is doing it's best to compensate people who had loses.

And if you did your due dilligence you would know that there is no "new iBill". Ownership remains the same. So the same people who owned iBill then, own it now. Stock moving back and forth doesn't change that. Bankruptcy was never an option, but not because iBill cared about the people they owed money to. So, be careful what you wish for on here, because the more due diligence people do, the less they are going to like what they find.

tony286 · 11-01-2005, 10:46 AM

I got to give them credit we stayed with ibill, the payments have been on time . My rep called me on Sunday to let me know they would be back at work on Monday and to answer the question I asked her. I think there is a new attitude there because I know that wouldnt of happened before.

LushBoobs · 11-01-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

Who the fuck is mwaldman? Another short timer?

It's Michelle Waldman, she's my new rep now that Bari meyerson left.

She seems nice enough. she offered to pay me back but conveniently left out the 3% interest on balance owed, which was offered to me in the past and clearly offered to others as well.

I'm trying to find out what is up with that, I read somewhere that 3% is illiegal in the state of florida, because there is some minimum interest rate or something? I could be wrong on that, I dunno.

So... is anyone taking the ibill deals, and yes, the deal includes putting their buttons on my site before i can get paid back. seems kinda funky to me but she explained that the old owners left, the new owners, decided not to go bankrupt and to try to pay everything the old owners owed, but to do that they need revenue so she explained that to pay us back they need our business, it's a pretty straightforward scam, considering we should get paid back either way.

Not sure what I'm going to do, they've offered to pay me quarterly over the next year.

She also offered me 13% as a processing fee, but my last rep sent me a contract at 12% to try to get me back, so I think they're going to have to honor that if they want me to play.

any suggestions would be much appreciated!

Thanks

Liana

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LushBoobs

So... is anyone taking the ibill deals, and yes, the deal includes putting their buttons on my site before i can get paid back.

Main Entry: ex·tor·tion
Pronunciation: ik-'stor-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : the act or practice of extorting esp. money or other property; specifically : the act or practice of extorting by a public official acting under color of office
2 : the crime of extorting hahaha8212;ex·tor·tion·ate /-sh&-n&t/ adjective hahaha8212;ex·tor·tion·er noun hahaha8212;ex·tor·tion·ist /-sh&-nist/ noun

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=extortion

SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I got to give them credit we stayed with ibill, the payments have been on time . My rep called me on Sunday to let me know they would be back at work on Monday and to answer the question I asked her. I think there is a new attitude there because I know that wouldnt of happened before.

Were you paid back any/all revenues that were owed dating back to Sept/`04?

Or are you only talking of payments based on current sales?

SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

Nikki_Licks · 11-01-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

Once debts are paid, what will be left to complain about.

LOL... thats too funny.

How about remembering!!!..remembering how ibill fucked over many people and they still are to this day. I wouldnt even give them a second thought.
I personally will never do business with a company that lies, steals, and uses extorsion tactics towards webmasters that they owe. Telling people to put links back and then ibill will resolve the issue with that particular webmaster and pay them what they owe is bullshit...yea right FUCK THAT!!!!

I really doubt that after everyone is paid in full with interest you will find anyone to give you the time of day and I really doubt webmasters will ever be paid in full.

At one point we did try to sign up with ibill when we first started and ibill had our account so fucked up with incorrect information that we finally told them to

and we moved on.

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 01:40 PM

I'm not an attorney and don't profess to know a lot about U.S. laws - but perhaps someone more knowledgable can confirm or deny this. I know in Canada extortion is considered a civil rather than criminal matter, but beyond that I don't know much else.

Is iBill's current tactic of forcing those they owe money to - to continue having their buttons on their websites or risk forfeiture of revenues owing, clearly an act of extortion?

In other words, they're saying "If you don't continue doing business with us, we won't pay you what we owe."

Can someone in the legal arena provide further insight if possible?

SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

imageman · 11-04-2005, 02:04 PM

Bump Time!!!

SilentKnight · 11-04-2005, 04:03 PM

bump for answers from iBill

Webby · 11-04-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

And if you did your due dilligence you would know that there is no "new iBill". Ownership remains the same. So the same people who owned iBill then, own it now. Stock moving back and forth doesn't change that. Bankruptcy was never an option, but not because iBill cared about the people they owed money to. So, be careful what you wish for on here, because the more due diligence people do, the less they are going to like what they find.

100% correct Mac!

You are talking about folks playing with corps and shuffling one corp file from one side of the desk to the other and "talking up" shares in their own personal interests.

The modus operandi is no different to that used by the Galanis family and the Mexican "Doc" for years - some call it "corporate abuse".

FreeOnes · 11-04-2005, 05:33 PM

maybe it will help

PAY ME MY FUCKING MONEY IBILL

SilentKnight · 11-05-2005, 10:14 PM

Bump for owed webmasters

imageman · 11-06-2005, 12:17 AM

Bump for the night shift

Webby · 11-06-2005, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by imageman

Bump for the night shift

Sure is a lot of bumping imageman

pocketkangaroo · 11-06-2005, 03:17 AM

It amazes me the callous and pompous attitudes from iBill. "Contact us to work out a payment plan". The payment plan should be them writing a fucking check to who they owe. The "put our links up first" bullshit is extortion, plain and simple.

The nonsense of this not being the old iBill is shit too. When you buy a company, you buy everything that comes with it. That includes image and debts. There is no "the old iBill owed you this so we will try and work something out because we are nice". When you bought iBill, YOU BOUGHT THE FUCKING DEBT.

CDSmith · 11-06-2005, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Awesome.

imageman · 11-06-2005, 11:44 AM

Yep its a hard job but someone has to do it, right ?

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Originally Posted by Webby

Sure is a lot of bumping imageman

SilentKnight · 11-06-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by imageman

Yep its a hard job but someone has to do it, right ?

You got that right (bump)

11-01-2005, 09:06 AM	#55
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11-01-2005, 09:07 AM	#57
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	That is where the hat will be hung! Once debts are paid, what will be left to complain about. iBill will reconcile with past clients, and life will go on. But perpetual corporate hate only gets things so far. Benefit of the doubt is my policy. If you don't know, you can't say. And since iBill hasn't had enough time to payout $42,000,000 they are sorry. All the people who have been paid just aren't out telling the world, but they have stopped bitching.

11-01-2005, 09:07 AM	#58
CherryLipsRosa Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 3,603	What a loss, even if they pay everyone their reputation is lower than low. Like my dad always use to say: First fool is not a fool but a second fool is a bloody fool. Scream wolf as much as you want this time nobody is going to come. __________________ Rosalia M. ICQ.12150439 Skype. cherrylipsrosa

11-01-2005, 09:07 AM	#59
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11-01-2005, 09:12 AM	#63
scardog Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 886	Once debts are paid, what will be left to complain about. iBill will reconcile with past clients, and life will go on. But perpetual corporate hate only gets things so far. Benefit of the doubt is my policy. If you don't know, you can't say. And since iBill hasn't had enough time to payout $42,000,000 they are sorry. All the people who have been paid just aren't out telling the world, but they have stopped bitching. Yes, once the debts are paid, I believe Ibill can recover. People will still bitch, since they were lied to and stolen from. But, when restitution has been made, your position will be MUCH stronger. Webmasters would rather be paid, than bitch, believe me. When they get paid, they will come here and tell the world. That begs the question, as why the webmasters that have been paid are not here saying it? Last edited by scardog; 11-01-2005 at 09:14 AM..

11-01-2005, 09:12 AM	#62
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	Iballs died on September 2004 and i have not seen anything to disprove this. You Mickey Dees rejects that now work for Iballs should stop posting the corporate rhetoric and false promises trying to lure newbies to sign up with a company destine to fail. The only time you should post is when all webmasters have been paid in full for monies outstanding and not until then !

11-01-2005, 09:21 AM	#65
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	The only reason i can think of is that payment was made to companies taking legal action against Iball's and that settlements made are subject to a non disclosure clause. If these larger programs received 100% settlement Iballs isn't going to want the smaller programs and webmasters to know because they will try to make them settle for a lesser amount say 50 cents on the dollar ? At the end of the day its pay up or shut up !

11-01-2005, 10:46 AM	#68
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I got to give them credit we stayed with ibill, the payments have been on time . My rep called me on Sunday to let me know they would be back at work on Monday and to answer the question I asked her. I think there is a new attitude there because I know that wouldnt of happened before.

11-01-2005, 01:40 PM	#73
SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	I'm not an attorney and don't profess to know a lot about U.S. laws - but perhaps someone more knowledgable can confirm or deny this. I know in Canada extortion is considered a civil rather than criminal matter, but beyond that I don't know much else. Is iBill's current tactic of forcing those they owe money to - to continue having their buttons on their websites or risk forfeiture of revenues owing, clearly an act of extortion? In other words, they're saying "If you don't continue doing business with us, we won't pay you what we owe." Can someone in the legal arena provide further insight if possible? SilentKnight Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

11-04-2005, 02:04 PM	#74
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	Bump Time!!!

11-04-2005, 04:03 PM	#75
SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	bump for answers from iBill

11-04-2005, 05:33 PM	#77
FreeOnes Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,400	maybe it will help PAY ME MY FUCKING MONEY IBILL __________________ The new FreeOnes! - AdultFilmStarContent - BabeGalleries and much more! - 1Strike Movies and much more! All powered by Xpressa

11-05-2005, 10:14 PM	#78
SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	Bump for owed webmasters

11-06-2005, 12:17 AM	#79
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	Bump for the night shift

11-06-2005, 03:17 AM	#81
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	It amazes me the callous and pompous attitudes from iBill. "Contact us to work out a payment plan". The payment plan should be them writing a fucking check to who they owe. The "put our links up first" bullshit is extortion, plain and simple. The nonsense of this not being the old iBill is shit too. When you buy a company, you buy everything that comes with it. That includes image and debts. There is no "the old iBill owed you this so we will try and work something out because we are nice". When you bought iBill, YOU BOUGHT THE FUCKING DEBT.