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Old 11-28-2005, 04:47 PM   #1
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JFK Assassination history....

Anybody ever research the JFK assassination? I know many may have seen the movie 'JFK' but anyone really look into it?

I was a kid when it happened and I'll never forget it. I had to stop looking into the discoveries found out after all these years as it just goes deeper and deeper into criminal shit having compromised government and it just got too much to deal with. No matter where ya looked something got more deep in shit.

What really hurts is that all this time no one went to jail for it. Oswald got whacked for it and a few went to trial but that's it. Now after all these years more shit keeps getting dug up that shows what happens behind the scenes.

Sucks.
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Anybody ever research the JFK assassination? I know many may have seen the movie 'JFK' but anyone really look into it?

I was a kid when it happened and I'll never forget it. I had to stop looking into the discoveries found out after all these years as it just goes deeper and deeper into criminal shit having compromised government and it just got too much to deal with. No matter where ya looked something got more deep in shit.

What really hurts is that all this time no one went to jail for it. Oswald got whacked for it and a few went to trial but that's it. Now after all these years more shit keeps getting dug up that shows what happens behind the scenes.

Sucks.
To the best of my knowledge I have read every word written about the subject. Bottom line...there is very strong physical evidence that indicates that Oswald was involved...and everything else that has been presented is by speculation and zero actual evidence that anyone else was involved.
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To the best of my knowledge I have read every word written about the subject. Bottom line...there is very strong physical evidence that indicates that Oswald was involved...and everything else that has been presented is by speculation and zero actual evidence that anyone else was involved.


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when do they release the files from the investigation they have a hold time on that type of shit something like 30-40 years right?
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wow .. apparently you missed a few writings

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Please name the factual physical evidence outlined in the book. I suspect there is zero factual evidence but in fact there is innuendo...speculation...theory etc...just as there are in all of the books...articles...documentaries etc. that have been presented about the subject.
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Please read the book Mafia Kingfish and then we will have a chat
By the way...I went to Amazon.com and realized that I have read the book. No facts in the book about the assasination...innuendo...speculation...theory...e tc....that may or may not add up to "circumstantial evidence".

Someone once said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof...and thus far in the Kennedy assasination this does not exist.
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OJ killed him, believe me, there is speculation that OJ had a time machine, took sniper training lessons for a few months, and then killed JFK.

But thats all speculation too.

But of course, he's innocent.

Keep digging for info if it makes you happy, i'm sure if you dig deep enough, you'll be greated by a couple agents wearing all black.
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Please name the factual physical evidence outlined in the book. I suspect there is zero factual evidence but in fact there is innuendo...speculation...theory etc...just as there are in all of the books...articles...documentaries etc. that have been presented about the subject.

there are MANY facts stated in this book. This book is NON fiction.

Everything that is quoted in the book has articles referenced to it.

I HIGHLY suggest you read it.

Are you saying that the Warren commission's findings that one bullet went through Kennedy, through the front seat through the governor of Texas' shoulder (John Connallyand then hit him in the wrist is accurate? Come on.. you have to be JOKING!

This subject is one that I have studied as EXTENSIVELY as you. I have read anything that i can get my hands on regarding the matter.
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there are MANY facts stated in this book. This book is NON fiction.

Everything that is quoted in the book has articles referenced to it.

I HIGHLY suggest you read it.

Are you saying that the Warren commission's findings that one bullet went through Kennedy, through the front seat through the governor of Texas' shoulder (John Connallyand then hit him in the wrist is accurate? Come on.. you have to be JOKING!

This subject is one that I have studied as EXTENSIVELY as you. I have read anything that i can get my hands on regarding the matter.
I posted above that I have read the book. I am not aware of a book...article...or documentary that I have not read or seen...though I cannot immediately recall them all...without refreshing my memory.

As for the bullet that you are speaking about. I saw a computer model that was presented about that bullet in one of the documentaries I watched. The computer model along with the physics and math involved proved that it was possible for this bullet to have performed in the manner that it did. When something is physically possible that fits the event...then...yes...the bullet did in fact perform in the manner that it did. There is not any scientific evidence to indicate otherwise.
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I've read every book about it and there is only one that makes sense.

JFK was shot by the Secret Service.

No shit.

Oswald, whatever the reason was, fired the first shot. He fired a number of shots, but only the first one hit hit JFK. Now, who else has a ton of guns within range of JFK at that moment - and who happened to suddenly take all of their weapons out quickly. The secret service, who was all around him. The agent riding on the back of the car behind JFK's car pulls out his little Uzi, opps, fires off a couple of rounds, and JFK's brain is now gone.

JFK fired the first shot hitting JFK. The Secret Service agent fired off his gun by accident, killing JFK. It was quickly covered up the Secret Service and everyone else.
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As for the bullet that you are speaking about. I saw a computer model that was presented about that bullet in one of the documentaries I watched. The computer model along with the physics and math involved proved that it was possible for this bullet to have performed in the manner that it did. When something is physically possible that fits the event...then...yes...the bullet did in fact perform in the manner that it did. There is not any scientific evidence to indicate otherwise.
This is very true. I saw this as well.

The one part that they did leave out, that I don't recall an explanation for, is the bullet's condition after causing those wounds.

They can prove that the bullet took that path, but common sense tells me that no bullet could take that path, cause all of those wounds, and remain in virtually pristine condition.

There's no doubt in my mind that LHO was involved, but there's also no doubt in my mind that others were involved as well.

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This is very true. I saw this as well.

The one part that they did leave out, that I don't recall an explanation for, is the bullet's condition after causing those wounds.

They can prove that the bullet took that path, but common sense tells me that no bullet could take that path, cause all of those wounds, and remain in virtually pristine condition.

There's no doubt in my mind that LHO was involved, but there's also no doubt in my mind that others were involved as well.

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk...mittee-report/
I think it was in the same documentary...but it may not have been...that I saw demonstrated bullets from the same calibre rifle and the same type of bullet being fired into human flesh simulators simulating the wounds the bullet created and some of the bullets fired (not all or even most) were in near pristine shap losing only minute fragments as it passed through the various body parts. Once again proving that it was possible for the bullet to perform as it did in the event.
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when do they release the files from the investigation they have a hold time on that type of shit something like 30-40 years right?
Ja, the files are being held til 2010 or 2020. They figure all the old geezers who pulled that shit would be dead by then.

I still don't trust the Warren Commission's findings and considering who was on that commission I can see why.

JFK was bumped off because he rocked to many boats, especially that of the Federal Reserve and the CIA.
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I've read every book about it and there is only one that makes sense.

JFK was shot by the Secret Service.

No shit.

Oswald, whatever the reason was, fired the first shot. He fired a number of shots, but only the first one hit hit JFK. Now, who else has a ton of guns within range of JFK at that moment - and who happened to suddenly take all of their weapons out quickly. The secret service, who was all around him. The agent riding on the back of the car behind JFK's car pulls out his little Uzi, opps, fires off a couple of rounds, and JFK's brain is now gone.

JFK fired the first shot hitting JFK. The Secret Service agent fired off his gun by accident, killing JFK. It was quickly covered up the Secret Service and everyone else.
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I think it was in the same documentary...but it may not have been...that I saw demonstrated bullets from the same calibre rifle and the same type of bullet being fired into human flesh simulators simulating the wounds the bullet created and some of the bullets fired (not all or even most) were in near pristine shap losing only minute fragments as it passed through the various body parts. Once again proving that it was possible for the bullet to perform as it did in the event.
Okay, I didn't see that so I'll grant you that it may be possible. I'll grant you that if you break down an entire event into individual pieces, you may be able to prove that every single one of them IS possible.

The problem as I see it, is when you put it all together, something has to give.

Can someone survive a bullet to the head?
Can someone survive a knife to the chest?
Can someone survive being stuck in an apartment fire for an hour?
Can someone survive a 10 story fall into a dumpster filled with beer bottles?
Can someone survive a severe 30 minute gang beating by a bunch of street thugs with lead pipes and chains?
Can someone survive getting hit by a speeding car driven by a drunk driver and tossed into a brick wall head first?

The answer to each individual one would be yes. Unlikely in some cases, but certainly possible.

Now, if one person had each one of those things happen to him in sequence over the course of an exceptionally unlucky 2 hours of his life, the chance that he's going to survive every single one of them diminishes greatly.

Ridiculous comparison yes, but I'm too tired and lazy right now to go whipping out 25 pieces of circumstantial evidence that do eventually begin to mount up-when all considered part of a package, as opposed to each being simply proven POSSIBLE in individual scenarios.
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I am not aware of a book...article...or documentary that I have not read or seen...though I cannot immediately recall them all...without refreshing my memory.
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anyone ever been to the sixth floor museum where oswald supposibly fired the shot?
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Yes. And there is no way it could be done.
Not with the rifle he used, not a chance in hell.

Forensics even prove different angles of trajectory for the bullet fire.

Thats a no brainer.
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Yes. And there is no way it could be done.
Not with the rifle he used, not a chance in hell.

Forensics even prove different angles of trajectory for the bullet fire.

Thats a no brainer.
Experts have replicated his shots with the exact rifle and ammo...so yes it could be done.
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Yes. And there is no way it could be done.
Not with the rifle he used, not a chance in hell.

Forensics even prove different angles of trajectory for the bullet fire.

Thats a no brainer.
How was it? Might go there next weekend when I am in Dallas.
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Yes. And there is no way it could be done.
Not with the rifle he used, not a chance in hell.

Forensics even prove different angles of trajectory for the bullet fire.

Thats a no brainer.
Actually the documentary that I saw proved it was possible. In a BEST case scenario and a controlled environment.

Put that scenario in an uncontrolled environment with the adrenalin running and everything ELSE going on, and there's no question, again in my mind, that he could possibly have acted alone.

Possible? Yes. Likely? Not very.

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Please name the factual physical evidence outlined in the book. I suspect there is zero factual evidence but in fact there is innuendo...speculation...theory etc...just as there are in all of the books...articles...documentaries etc. that have been presented about the subject.
there is evidence that 4 shots were fired. oswald at most had time for 3. there is evidence that one or more shots were fired from the grassy knoll - from an analysis of a recording of one of the motorcycle cops who had their mic keyed through the entire incident.

my opinion from everything i have ever seen and read is that oswald fired 1 or more shots... but there was at least 1 more shooter involved.

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there is evidence that 4 shots were fired. oswald at most had time for 3. there is evidence that one or more shots were fired from the grassy knoll - from an analysis of a recording of one of the motorcycle cops who had their mic keyed through the entire incident.

my opinion from everything i have ever seen and read is that oswald fired 1 or more shots... but there was at least 1 more shooter involved.
Speculative "analysis"...as I have seen this "analysis" explained away...with different "analysis". The only phyiscal evidence in existence all indicates that Oswald was involved...and I repeat...everything else presented is innuendo...speculation...theory that may or may not even add up to "circumstantial" evidence. I repeat extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence.
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Speculative "analysis"...as I have seen this "analysis" explained away...with different "analysis". The only phyiscal evidence in existence all indicates that Oswald was involved...and I repeat...everything else presented is innuendo...speculation...theory that may or may not even add up to "circumstantial" evidence. I repeat extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence.
its only your opinion as to what is "extrordinary" - i dont consider many eye witnesses claiming to hear a gunshot from somewhere else and even seeing the muzzle flash or smoke to be "extrordinary"
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JFK was bumped off because he rocked to many boats, especially that of the Federal Reserve and the CIA.
He considered the CIA as the government behind his back..

And.. Kennedy was preparing to send in what it took to end the Viet Nam conflict.. Johnson, his wife's family, and his cronies had way too much money to lose if that happened... Johnson was advised that Kennedy's parade route should be changed, but he ignored the advice... hmmmmm.....

Whether or not there was more than one shooter, there were more involved than Oswald.. Why do you think Ruby shut him up so soon...?

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Old 11-28-2005, 07:52 PM   #35
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or in SEINFELD the magic " spit "
check out his page http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Seinfeld

Unfortunately the immutable laws of physics contradict the whole premise of your account. Allow me to reconstruct this if I may for Miss Benes as I've heard this story a number of times. Newman, Kramer, if you'll indulge me. According to your story, Keith passes you and starts walking up the ramp. Then you say you were struck on the right temple. The spit then proceeds to ricochet off the temple striking Newman between the third and fourth rib. The spit then came off the rib turned and hit Newman in the right wrist causing him to drop his baseball cap. The spit then splashed off the wrist, pauses --in mid air, mind you-- makes a left turn and lands on Newman's left thigh. That is one magic loogie

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I think Johnson was involved and it goes a lot deeper than one guy with a gun.
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Old 11-29-2005, 12:55 AM   #37
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JFK: How the Media Assassinated the Real Story
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Old 11-29-2005, 01:04 AM   #38
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Only 2 questions i have..

#1 what was woody harrelsons dad doing on the train...

#2 if oswald was innocent why did he shoot the cop in the theatre after jfk got popped.
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Old 11-29-2005, 01:11 AM   #39
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as far as me or anyone else who matters in this biz JFK is still alive
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Hoover had agents do it and dont expect any files to reveal his crime lol
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JFK was shot?!?!?! Who is gonna take pictures at the shows now?!?!?
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Another messed up part is when the Secret Service agent was instructed to stop running with JFK's car. He literally through his hands up in the air wondering why he was called to back off from the car... Anyone see that clip?
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O.K. huuggggge government cover up you guys say.....and "history will be re-written when the papers come out". What makes you think that the same government that is responsible for killing its own President...is going to release any type of papers on this assisination without tampering ?
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Another messed up part is when the Secret Service agent was instructed to stop running with JFK's car. He literally through his hands up in the air wondering why he was called to back off from the car... Anyone see that clip?
so they can get a better shot??
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Look.. i hate the tinfoil brigade as much as anyone.. but JFK is a little different, and im annoyed that people that believe in ufo conspiracies/no moon landing etc are also for it, because it makes me tin foil by association lol. But plots to assasinate heads of state are as old as human history.. there is nothing new or special or tinfoil about it just because it's 1960's America
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Look.. i hate the tinfoil brigade as much as anyone.. but JFK is a little different, and im annoyed that people that believe in ufo conspiracies/no moon landing etc are also for it, because it makes me tin foil by association lol. But plots to assasinate heads of state are as old as human history.. there is nothing new or special or tinfoil about it just because it's 1960's America
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Are you saying that the Warren commission's findings that one bullet went through Kennedy, through the front seat through the governor of Texas' shoulder (John Connallyand then hit him in the wrist is accurate? Come on.. you have to be JOKING!

The magic bullet really fucked that report up. Why would you believe anything when they came up with that?
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I think it was in the same documentary...but it may not have been...that I saw demonstrated bullets from the same calibre rifle and the same type of bullet being fired into human flesh simulators simulating the wounds the bullet created and some of the bullets fired (not all or even most) were in near pristine shap losing only minute fragments as it passed through the various body parts. Once again proving that it was possible for the bullet to perform as it did in the event.

Putting a bullet into one body is a little different than what this bullet did.
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