Is simulated beastiality legal in USA/Canada? - GoFuckYourself.com

AdultWire · 03-25-2002, 12:40 PM

Does the VISA policy have any merit? Are they reinforcing the law, or are they censoring products according to their personal tastes?

Rip · 03-25-2002, 12:57 PM

I dunno, but I see people on their lunch breaks outside the VISA processing center petting dogs all the time, god only knows what they do inside the buildings besides all those forclosures and reposessions

AdultWire · 03-25-2002, 11:37 PM

Haha.. I really am begginning to get the idea that there a) is no answer to this question, or b) it's just not generally known.

Babaganoosh · 03-26-2002, 12:07 AM

Like you're going to get a serious reply to anything here! I saw this question and was just waiting for the wise ass replies to start rolling in. I'd say you have been very lucky so far.

AdultWire · 03-26-2002, 12:31 AM

No-one else has done their research either.. they're all off fucking the dog.

Kimmykim · 03-26-2002, 12:57 AM

It really doesn't matter why or how they are doing it. They can do it and that's pretty much the issue.

http://sodomy.org should give you as much information about sex and laws in the states as you are looking for

Forkbeard · 03-26-2002, 03:01 AM

If you are talking about possession, display, and commerce in pictures, the ONLY thing that is categorically illegal in the United States is child porn. Anything else is illegal only if it is obscene -- the legal test for which has a number of extremely subjective and variable standards.

Bottom line here is, outside of CP the question "Is XXXX illegal in the United States?" cannot be answered. The answer is gonna be different for each different image, in each different community, and depend on each different jury and juror. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. Given the impossibility of even figuring out what the pertinent "community" is for an image on the internet, it's fair to say that it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to tell in advance whether a specific image might be adjudged obscene, somewhere.

Visa is a business. They can do business with whomever they please, and like most businesses, they are pretty cowardly. However, their choices are not censorship, anymore than you are "censoring" Don King the next time you decide not to watch one of his lame fights on pay-per-view.

AdultWire · 03-26-2002, 03:05 AM

Well, my real purpose here is in trying to decide if VISA has created an opportunity for legitimate business owners, or if they've simply made life more difficult for criminals. Apparently, it's not such an easy line to draw.

Samran · 03-26-2002, 03:10 AM

Here can you see where Beastiality are legal.
USA LAWS

Alabama: C YES Code of Ala. @13A-6-63 "sodomy in 1st degree"
(1994) criminal offense.
Alaska: C NONE
Arizona: C NONE
Arkansas: C YES Ark. Stat. Ann. Criminal Offense:
@13A-6-63 (1994) "sodomy in 1st degree"
California: C YES Penal Code Section 286.5 Misdemeanor
Colorado: C NONE
Connecticut: C NONE
Delaware: C YES 11 Del. C. @777 (1993) Class D Criminal felony.
Florida: C NONE
Georgia: C YES O.C.G.A. @16-6-6 (1994) 1-5 yr. jail sentence.
Hawaii: C NONE
Idaho: C YES Idaho Code @18-6605 "length of imprisonment
(1994) in excess of 5 years is
in discretion of court."
Illinois: C YES 720 ILCS 5/12-12 (1994) Crime.
Indiana: C YES Burn Ind. Code. Ann.
@35-42-4-2 (1994)
Iowa: C NONE
Kansas: C YES K.S.A. @2103506 (1993) Aggravated crim sodomy
security level2, felony
Kentucky: C NONE
Louisiana: C NONE
Maine: C YES 17-A M.R.S. @ 251 (1994) Class C Crime; 3-5 yrs
Maryland: C YES Unnatural/Perverted up to $1,000 fine,
Sexual Acts Article 27, Max of 10 years PT
Section 553
Massachusetts: C YES Mass. Ann. Laws. Jail sentence of not
ch. 272 @34 (1994) more than 20 years
Michigan: C YES MCL @750.185 (1992) Jail sentence not more
than 15 years
Minnessota: C YES Minn. Stat. @609.294, Either fine of not more
(1993) than $3,000 or sentence
not more than 1 year.
Mississippi: C YES Miss. Code. Ann., Sentence of not more
@97-29-59 than 10 years.
Missouri: C NONE
Montana: C YES Mont. Code. Ann., 10 year sentence and/or
@45-5-505 (1994) $50,000 fine.
Nebraska: C NONE
Nevada: C NONE
New Hampshire: C NONE
New Jersey: C NONE
New Mexico: C NONE
New York: C YES NY CLS Penal @130.20 Class A misdemeanor.
(1994)
North Carolina: C YES N.C. Gen. Stat. @14-177 Class I felony. 3-10 yrs
(1994)
North Dakota: C YES N.D. Cent. Code Various penalties, & can
@12.1-20-03, 12.1-20-07, be considered either
12.1-20-12(1993) "gross sexual imposition"
"sexual assault" or
"deviate sexual act"
Ohio: C NONE
Oklahoma: C YES 21 Okl. St. @886 (1994) "imprisonment not to
exceed 10 years"
Oregon: C NONE
Pennsylvania: C YES 18 Pa. C. S. @3101,
3123 and 3124 (1994)
Rhode Island: C YES R.I. Gen. Laws @11-10-1 7-20 years.
(1993)
South Carolina: C YES S.C. Code Ann. 5 yrs jail and/or fine
@16-15-120 (1993) of at least $500
South Dakota: C NONE
Tennessee: C YES Tenn. Code. Ann.
@39-13-501 (1994)
Texas: C NONE
Utah: C YES Bestiality 76-9-301.8 Class B Misdemeanor
Vermont: C NONE
Virginia: C YES Va. Code. Ann. Class 6 Felony
@18.2-361 (1994)
Washington: C NONE
Washington DC: C YES DC Code @22-3502 (1994) Fine not more than $1000
("Sexual Psychopath" and/or sentence of not
chapter) more than 10 yrs
West Virginia: C NONE
Wisconsin: C YES Wis. State. @944.17 None listed
(1993)
Wyoming: C NONE
================================================

Canada: C YES Criminal Code of Canada Approx 10 years
Section 153
Denmark: W NONE
Finland: W NONE - -
New Zealand: C YES Crimes Act of 1964 Maximum 7 years PT
Section 143 & 144
Switzerland: W NONE
United Kingdom: C YES Sexual Offences Act of Life imprisonment
1956, Section 12(1) (typically 30 years)
Sexual Offences Act of
1967, Section 3(1)
==========================

AdultWire · 03-26-2002, 03:53 AM

This is excellent info.. but it seems to be applicable to committing acts of bestiality.. not depicting them. Certianly snapping photo's of a simulated act (not a real one) can't be considered sodomy or sexual abuse.

Is there no case law related to simulated bestiality?

AdultWire · 03-26-2002, 03:54 AM

Haha.. I also find it amusing that in some places, the act of bestiality is a misdemeanour where in others it's punishable by 25+ years.. HAHAHA.

smack · 03-26-2002, 04:00 AM

West Virginia: C NONE

doesn't it figure west virginia has no law against it? shit that would break almost 30% of the legal marriages in the state.

AdultWire · 03-26-2002, 04:42 AM

Well I know where I'm moving MY colocation.

Kimmykim · 03-26-2002, 12:13 PM

Without there being a test case as to simulated, there's really no way to know. My *guess* would be that there is nothing wrong with it.

Of course Visa's beef with it could be that it is a falsely marketed product, since there is no bestiality in the site...

03-25-2002, 12:40 PM	#1
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03-25-2002, 12:57 PM	#2
Rip Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: somewheres wet Posts: 1,456	I dunno, but I see people on their lunch breaks outside the VISA processing center petting dogs all the time, god only knows what they do inside the buildings besides all those forclosures and reposessions __________________ ...

03-25-2002, 11:37 PM	#3
AdultWire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 962	Haha.. I really am begginning to get the idea that there a) is no answer to this question, or b) it's just not generally known. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-26-2002, 12:07 AM	#4
Babaganoosh ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: /home Posts: 15,841	Like you're going to get a serious reply to anything here! I saw this question and was just waiting for the wise ass replies to start rolling in. I'd say you have been very lucky so far. __________________ I like pie.

03-26-2002, 12:31 AM	#5
AdultWire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 962	No-one else has done their research either.. they're all off fucking the dog. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-26-2002, 12:57 AM	#6
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	It really doesn't matter why or how they are doing it. They can do it and that's pretty much the issue. http://sodomy.org should give you as much information about sex and laws in the states as you are looking for

03-26-2002, 03:01 AM	#7
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	If you are talking about possession, display, and commerce in pictures, the ONLY thing that is categorically illegal in the United States is child porn. Anything else is illegal only if it is obscene -- the legal test for which has a number of extremely subjective and variable standards. Bottom line here is, outside of CP the question "Is XXXX illegal in the United States?" cannot be answered. The answer is gonna be different for each different image, in each different community, and depend on each different jury and juror. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. Given the impossibility of even figuring out what the pertinent "community" is for an image on the internet, it's fair to say that it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to tell in advance whether a specific image might be adjudged obscene, somewhere. Visa is a business. They can do business with whomever they please, and like most businesses, they are pretty cowardly. However, their choices are not censorship, anymore than you are "censoring" Don King the next time you decide not to watch one of his lame fights on pay-per-view.

03-26-2002, 03:05 AM	#8
AdultWire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 962	Well, my real purpose here is in trying to decide if VISA has created an opportunity for legitimate business owners, or if they've simply made life more difficult for criminals. Apparently, it's not such an easy line to draw. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-26-2002, 03:10 AM	#9
Samran Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 18	Here can you see where Beastiality are legal. USA LAWS Alabama: C YES Code of Ala. @13A-6-63 "sodomy in 1st degree" (1994) criminal offense. Alaska: C NONE Arizona: C NONE Arkansas: C YES Ark. Stat. Ann. Criminal Offense: @13A-6-63 (1994) "sodomy in 1st degree" California: C YES Penal Code Section 286.5 Misdemeanor Colorado: C NONE Connecticut: C NONE Delaware: C YES 11 Del. C. @777 (1993) Class D Criminal felony. Florida: C NONE Georgia: C YES O.C.G.A. @16-6-6 (1994) 1-5 yr. jail sentence. Hawaii: C NONE Idaho: C YES Idaho Code @18-6605 "length of imprisonment (1994) in excess of 5 years is in discretion of court." Illinois: C YES 720 ILCS 5/12-12 (1994) Crime. Indiana: C YES Burn Ind. Code. Ann. @35-42-4-2 (1994) Iowa: C NONE Kansas: C YES K.S.A. @2103506 (1993) Aggravated crim sodomy security level2, felony Kentucky: C NONE Louisiana: C NONE Maine: C YES 17-A M.R.S. @ 251 (1994) Class C Crime; 3-5 yrs Maryland: C YES Unnatural/Perverted up to $1,000 fine, Sexual Acts Article 27, Max of 10 years PT Section 553 Massachusetts: C YES Mass. Ann. Laws. Jail sentence of not ch. 272 @34 (1994) more than 20 years Michigan: C YES MCL @750.185 (1992) Jail sentence not more than 15 years Minnessota: C YES Minn. Stat. @609.294, Either fine of not more (1993) than $3,000 or sentence not more than 1 year. Mississippi: C YES Miss. Code. Ann., Sentence of not more @97-29-59 than 10 years. Missouri: C NONE Montana: C YES Mont. Code. Ann., 10 year sentence and/or @45-5-505 (1994) $50,000 fine. Nebraska: C NONE Nevada: C NONE New Hampshire: C NONE New Jersey: C NONE New Mexico: C NONE New York: C YES NY CLS Penal @130.20 Class A misdemeanor. (1994) North Carolina: C YES N.C. Gen. Stat. @14-177 Class I felony. 3-10 yrs (1994) North Dakota: C YES N.D. Cent. Code Various penalties, & can @12.1-20-03, 12.1-20-07, be considered either 12.1-20-12(1993) "gross sexual imposition" "sexual assault" or "deviate sexual act" Ohio: C NONE Oklahoma: C YES 21 Okl. St. @886 (1994) "imprisonment not to exceed 10 years" Oregon: C NONE Pennsylvania: C YES 18 Pa. C. S. @3101, 3123 and 3124 (1994) Rhode Island: C YES R.I. Gen. Laws @11-10-1 7-20 years. (1993) South Carolina: C YES S.C. Code Ann. 5 yrs jail and/or fine @16-15-120 (1993) of at least $500 South Dakota: C NONE Tennessee: C YES Tenn. Code. Ann. @39-13-501 (1994) Texas: C NONE Utah: C YES Bestiality 76-9-301.8 Class B Misdemeanor Vermont: C NONE Virginia: C YES Va. Code. Ann. Class 6 Felony @18.2-361 (1994) Washington: C NONE Washington DC: C YES DC Code @22-3502 (1994) Fine not more than $1000 ("Sexual Psychopath" and/or sentence of not chapter) more than 10 yrs West Virginia: C NONE Wisconsin: C YES Wis. State. @944.17 None listed (1993) Wyoming: C NONE ================================================ Canada: C YES Criminal Code of Canada Approx 10 years Section 153 Denmark: W NONE Finland: W NONE - - New Zealand: C YES Crimes Act of 1964 Maximum 7 years PT Section 143 & 144 Switzerland: W NONE United Kingdom: C YES Sexual Offences Act of Life imprisonment 1956, Section 12(1) (typically 30 years) Sexual Offences Act of 1967, Section 3(1) ========================== Last edited by Samran; 03-26-2002 at 03:12 AM..

03-26-2002, 03:53 AM	#10
AdultWire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 962	This is excellent info.. but it seems to be applicable to committing acts of bestiality.. not depicting them. Certianly snapping photo's of a simulated act (not a real one) can't be considered sodomy or sexual abuse. Is there no case law related to simulated bestiality? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-26-2002, 03:54 AM	#11
AdultWire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 962	Haha.. I also find it amusing that in some places, the act of bestiality is a misdemeanour where in others it's punishable by 25+ years.. HAHAHA. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-26-2002, 04:00 AM	#12
smack Push Porn Like Weight. Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Inside .NET Posts: 10,652	West Virginia: C NONE doesn't it figure west virginia has no law against it? shit that would break almost 30% of the legal marriages in the state. __________________ Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

03-26-2002, 04:42 AM	#13
AdultWire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 962	Well I know where I'm moving MY colocation. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-26-2002, 12:13 PM	#14
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Without there being a test case as to simulated, there's really no way to know. My guess would be that there is nothing wrong with it. Of course Visa's beef with it could be that it is a falsely marketed product, since there is no bestiality in the site...