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Old 12-23-2005, 07:12 PM   #51
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Wrong again...the US never sold Iraq WMD's. Private enterprise did sell materials which could be used for dual use...but all of these materials had to be processed and weaponized...which Iraq did.

Wrong again...the US never took any weapons back...but after the 1st Gulf war was over UN inspectors from '91 to '98 (they left Iraq in '98) proclaimed to have destroyed up to 95% of WMD's/WMD materials.
Okay. Sorry. The WMD materials were `exported' from the US. and the UN... not the US recovered those WMD's
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:19 PM   #52
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Since it absolutely boggles the mind that since 9-11 the Bush administration has entirely failed to track down the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, I can't get my head around the fact that despite all the hi-tech spy technology and advanced surveillance capabilities the United States and other nations possess these days - this clown has managed to elude it all for years.

I can't help but think that since its probably an impossible feat to successfully hide that long - there is much more behind-the-scenes than what the public is aware of.

I've long suspected that GW Bush doesn't want Osama to be found, for various political and personal reasons we can only ponder and speculate about. Bush postures for the media to appear as though he's doing his utmost to bring Bin Laden to justice - but I'm willing to wager its all a big stage show.

I mean...c'mon - they can zoom in from space and read the numbers on a vehicle license plate from orbit. Sure, the world's a big place...but technology has made it possible to find a needle in a haystack these days.Not to mention there's been a multi-million dollar pricetag on Osama's head for years...yet not one single person in four years has been tempted to turn his ass over to the U.S.? WTF?

In terms of impeachment - stuff like this should also be considered in the formula. What in hell is really going on here? What is the hidden agenda in the grand scheme of things?
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:21 PM   #53
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that's kinda fucked, eh? Dear God, don't tell me you think this is ok?
If you do not approve of the War Powers Act it was actually passed in 1973 to restrict the previous power of the Presidency.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:29 PM   #54
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Since it absolutely boggles the mind that since 9-11 the Bush administration has entirely failed to track down the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, I can't get my head around the fact that despite all the hi-tech spy technology and advanced surveillance capabilities the United States and other nations possess these days - this clown has managed to elude it all for years.

I can't help but think that since its probably an impossible feat to successfully hide that long - there is much more behind-the-scenes than what the public is aware of.

I've long suspected that GW Bush doesn't want Osama to be found, for various political and personal reasons we can only ponder and speculate about. Bush postures for the media to appear as though he's doing his utmost to bring Bin Laden to justice - but I'm willing to wager its all a big stage show.

I mean...c'mon - they can zoom in from space and read the numbers on a vehicle license plate from orbit. Sure, the world's a big place...but technology has made it possible to find a needle in a haystack these days.Not to mention there's been a multi-million dollar pricetag on Osama's head for years...yet not one single person in four years has been tempted to turn his ass over to the U.S.? WTF?

In terms of impeachment - stuff like this should also be considered in the formula. What in hell is really going on here? What is the hidden agenda in the grand scheme of things?
The Olympic bomber hid out in a known...relatively small area of forest...and was never found by the largest manhunt in the history of the United States with all of the known technology being used to assist...in the search of this wooded area. He was caught by accident by a rookie cop several years later after having emerged from his forest area to raid a garbage bin. Just food for thought.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:29 PM   #55
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Wrong again...the US never sold Iraq WMD's. Private enterprise did sell materials which could be used for dual use...but all of these materials had to be processed and weaponized...which Iraq did.
Did any of those ceo's of those companies got jailtime, like today happened to a ceo of a dutch company that sold saddam ground materials to make musterd gas? No. Again very strange.

But lets see if due to this case the sellers of all the weapons that saddam had to hurt people, or even materials to make these weapons, are getting sued. Then youd see the US goverment in court, and i dont think thats gonna happen...
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:41 PM   #56
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:42 PM   #57
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The Olympic bomber hid out in a known...relatively small area of forest...and was never found by the largest manhunt in the history of the United States with all of the known technology being used to assist...in the search of this wooded area. He was caught by accident by a rookie cop several years later after having emerged from his forest area to raid a garbage bin. Just food for thought.
True that - but at the same time...it wasn't the entire federal administration looking for him on a 24hr basis like they're supposedly doing with Bin Laden. Nor were other countries involved in the search the same way they would be for Osama.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:49 PM   #58
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Did any of those ceo's of those companies got jailtime, like today happened to a ceo of a dutch company that sold saddam ground materials to make musterd gas? No. Again very strange.

But lets see if due to this case the sellers of all the weapons that saddam had to hurt people, or even materials to make these weapons, are getting sued. Then youd see the US goverment in court, and i dont think thats gonna happen...
As I recall there were some companies that did receive fines when they violated orders to cease and desist from certain sales to Iraq. I do not recall if there were any prosecutions and or convictions...and I do not have the inclination to search the matter. BTW...you would not see the US government in court...as it would be private enterprise that would be sued. One cannot sue the government without the governments permission to do so.
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:17 PM   #59
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As I recall there were some companies that did receive fines when they violated orders to cease and desist from certain sales to Iraq. I do not recall if there were any prosecutions and or convictions...and I do not have the inclination to search the matter. BTW...you would not see the US government in court...as it would be private enterprise that would be sued. One cannot sue the government without the governments permission to do so.
How about removing the government and trying them?
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:19 PM   #60
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How about removing the government and trying them?
+ Freeing the government's people by enforcing unwanted foreign policy and taxing them for their own environmental resources?
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:50 PM   #61
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theking, we may disagree on politics here...but I damn sure give you my respect as you are a man that takes the time to investigate.

I still may disagree with you, but I appreciate your point of view.

This joint don't need no fucking sheep....educate yourselves.....
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:57 PM   #62
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The one thing that I can say and not a fan of the current administration, is that both Clinton and Carter and others have used warrentless wiretaps on citizens.
shhhhh you are talking about GFY's beloved bill clinton. He's no more or less a snake than any other president, total scumbag
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:58 PM   #63
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i feel that bush should (and will be) considered the most incompetent, morally inept, dishonest, and ridiculed president of all time... unless of course we end up with another dipshit worse than him...
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i feel that bush should (and will be) considered the most incompetent, morally inept, dishonest, and ridiculed president of all time... unless of course we end up with another dipshit worse than him...
This is my mantra from here on out..."When you've been involved in this industry for 25+ years, you know a shaft when you see one."
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