ibill criminal information needed???? - GoFuckYourself.com

will76 · 12-29-2005, 12:19 PM

If anyone has any information on ibill doing any criminal activities, even if it is just hear-say etc..let me know. I am trying to collect all of the information I can get my hands on.

Please post it here or email it to me. ([email protected]) I am getting my attorney geared up to try to launch a lawsuit against the owners of ibill and if we are successful in piercing the corporate vail we will have a legal grounds to go after all of the principles individually, even if ibill goes under.

If they don't want to pay me, but they have no problems paying themselves fat bonuses, then I will have to go after their bonuses, and houses, and whatever my attorney can get his hands on.

Any information is appreciated.

adultchica · 12-29-2005, 12:20 PM

Go for it will76! I've never used ibill , thank God, but I hope you whoop their ass...I've heard nothing but bad things about them for YEARS

pawsregd · 12-29-2005, 12:21 PM

Sweet....see siggy

Hornydog4cooter · 12-29-2005, 12:25 PM

Bump for everyone who got screwed

Mr Dickovitch · 12-29-2005, 12:27 PM

Thieving bastards. Fuck them up!

will76 · 12-29-2005, 12:48 PM

nice bit of info: http://www.junkfax.org/fax/evidence/...d_icn_info.htm

pornguy · 12-29-2005, 01:03 PM

Bout time someone does this. I would have, but they dont owe me anything.

Webby · 12-29-2005, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

If anyone has any information on ibill doing any criminal activities, even if it is just hear-say etc..let me know. I am trying to collect all of the information I can get my hands on.

Please post it here or email it to me. ([email protected]) I am getting my attorney geared up to try to launch a lawsuit against the owners of ibill and if we are successful in piercing the corporate vail we will have a legal grounds to go after all of the principles individually, even if ibill goes under.

If they don't want to pay me, but they have no problems paying themselves fat bonuses, then I will have to go after their bonuses, and houses, and whatever my attorney can get his hands on.

Any information is appreciated.

Sheesh Will.. Ya got a job there!

There are loads of companies involved and obvious "associated" companies - and probably a few not so obvious companies we don't know about yet.

Ya need to start a fraud map my man! And... starting with the names of the original company officers who decided to bail out of the processing biz. There are unanswered questions there and they are keeping quiet for obvious reasons - they don't want papers served where they will be asked questions.

Enter the new purchasers who took over iBill for peanuts, (think that was around $2.75 mill) with the known liabilities. Names worth checking there, apart from the then company officers are John Peter Galanis, Jason Galanis and Luis Enrique Fernando Molina (also the Molina Vector Investment Trust).

There are plenty companies with "associations" both inside and outside US jurisdiction, but the prime names appear to be those we know already, - PHSL Worldwide Inc., Interactive Brand Development, etc.

On "criminal", for that ya need "evidence", and although there is plenty of very weird conduct and money movements (and indictments/convictions) in the background, - the only people, least as far as I can see, who can get concrete physical evidence are law enforcement.

There is little doubt law enforcement are recording every move of those involved with iBill and associated companies. They have a kinda "vested interest" in their welfare and not just concerning iBill. Also got little doubts that they will act - in their own time. Letting rope spin out and enabling the modus operandi to continue over several years can be very useful.

Dumping the bigger picture - and assuming you are interested in a "capture" by being "picky" on small detail and proving lesser offenses, - I'm not familiar with US company law, but can't be hard to see some offenses there. The statements issued over time by iBill and the failure to meet these obligations, also taking into account the company is probably insolvent, - is a borderline issue under most company laws. But hell... any lawyer with corp experience will know all this stuff and where the offenses lie and probably find 100 offenses.

BTW Will.. you are spot on in the concept of a continuance of legal action against individuals, whether iBill exists or not.

SmokeyTheBear · 12-29-2005, 01:43 PM

xvid ........

Webby · 12-29-2005, 02:25 PM

BTW Will... this report is meaningful...

http://********.com/read.aspx?ID=2814

Jason Galanis Heads Intercept/iBill
Mobster's Son surfaces as buyer of nation's largest processor of payments for Internet porn
--Forbes

These "may" be loose words by Forbes - or intentional. The background role of Jason Galanis is then said to be:

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At the same time, Galanis also contends he is only acting as an intermediary for a "handsome fee" in the iBill deal, not as a principal, on behalf of a "Dr. Molina." Molina is apparently Luis Enrique Fernando Molina, a Galinas business associate and Mexican hotel developer whose family controlled Pepsi-Gemex, the largest independent Pepsi bottler outside the United States. But others familiar with the deal say Galanis is more deeply involved than he lets on.

"My role has been a central on in making the transaction come together," says Galanis. "It is possible that peripheral parties could form the wrong impression."

Galanis similarly described himself as a "part of the investment banking team" that took Robert Guccione's Penthouse magazine public in 2002, then helped Molina in a deal in November to put another $107 million into Penthouse in a real estate/equity swap. But according to Securities and Exchange Commission filings, Galanis was identified as recently as last fall as the only person associated with Penthouse Financial, a separate company from Guccione's teetering empire that controls Penthouse's racy website. Galanis now says it was more of a licensing deal, and that the contract has since been terminated.

In other words, Galanis is claiming to be a "somebody" who does not really matter and is not a company officer.

In real life, this was the same Jason Galanis who had a conference meeting with webmaster creditors and proceeded to offer these creditors deals on settlements of overdue iBill accounts.

Basically this is a guy acting as a corporate officer, but claiming to be... something vague... OK, call him a consultant :-)

While acting as a "consultant" and obviously holding considerable powers for any "consultant", his father, John Galanis, maintains a close relationship with the Mexican Doc (Luis Molina). Meantime, John Galanis remains in the eyes of many lawyers who are attempting to recover the majority of defrauded funds ($400mill ish) where Galanis screwed people out of their homes. Most of these funds still remain unaccounted for. Molina is, last I heard, still residing in Mexico.

Young Jason is a guy with some confidence, and obviously feels he has some backing to enable him to act with authority as a "consultant" in serveral enterprises - apart from iBill.

There are several instances where Jason Galanis had a desire to accquire real estate - in the form of shopping malls etc. and embarassed the vendors by placing several million in cash on the table - with the source of funds being unknown. They declined his kind offer.

In real life, Jason Galanis has no cred whatsover and certainly appears more of an "agent" than a "consultant".

will76 · 12-29-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Sheesh Will.. Ya got a job there!

There are loads of companies involved and obvious "associated" companies - and probably a few not so obvious companies we don't know about yet.

Ya need to start a fraud map my man! And... starting with the names of the original company officers who decided to bail out of the processing biz. There are unanswered questions there and they are keeping quiet for obvious reasons - they don't want papers served where they will be asked questions.

Enter the new purchasers who took over iBill for peanuts, (think that was around $2.75 mill) with the known liabilities. Names worth checking there, apart from the then company officers are John Peter Galanis, Jason Galanis and Luis Enrique Fernando Molina (also the Molina Vector Investment Trust).

There are plenty companies with "associations" both inside and outside US jurisdiction, but the prime names appear to be those we know already, - PHSL Worldwide Inc., Interactive Brand Development, etc.

On "criminal", for that ya need "evidence", and although there is plenty of very weird conduct and money movements (and indictments/convictions) in the background, - the only people, least as far as I can see, who can get concrete physical evidence are law enforcement.

There is little doubt law enforcement are recording every move of those involved with iBill and associated companies. They have a kinda "vested interest" in their welfare and not just concerning iBill. Also got little doubts that they will act - in their own time. Letting rope spin out and enabling the modus operandi to continue over several years can be very useful.

Dumping the bigger picture - and assuming you are interested in a "capture" by being "picky" on small detail and proving lesser offenses, - I'm not familiar with US company law, but can't be hard to see some offenses there. The statements issued over time by iBill and the failure to meet these obligations, also taking into account the company is probably insolvent, - is a borderline issue under most company laws. But hell... any lawyer with corp experience will know all this stuff and where the offenses lie and probably find 100 offenses.

BTW Will.. you are spot on in the concept of a continuance of legal action against individuals, whether iBill exists or not.

yeah i will let my attorney sort it all out. I just know how corporations work, and it really doesn't take that much to get past the shield and go after the individuals. It will be nice to have them served with papers at their homes ;) For the out of the country ibill victims maybe you could have someone her buy your account, and sue on your behalf.

Ibill will go bankrupt, but the owners have deep pockets. They are responsible for why I have not been paid and I don't care who pays me back, ibill or them personally. Either way we are going after them and wont stop till we get what we are rightfully owed.

another good read: http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill

Webby · 12-29-2005, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

another good read: http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill

Ah!

Lawrence Kiminski has a lot of data on this - including copies of internal email and statements from past employees of iBill etc.

It would prob be "enlightening" for your lawyer to contact Lawrence

John69 · 12-29-2005, 02:39 PM

Will you should go into collections and tale a % to get other webmasters $$$$ while your at it, they owe me a nice amount.

Webby · 12-29-2005, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John69

Will you should go into collections and tale a % to get other webmasters $$$$ while your at it, they owe me a nice amount.

I had a nice gun-tottin lady - who was also a lawyer and wanted to go get a judges order and go seize the computers and office furniture and have trucks outside to collect it all!!

JFK · 12-29-2005, 02:46 PM

very interesting

TheLegacy · 12-29-2005, 02:47 PM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=ibill+illegal

technical term is called The Ponzi scheme - check it out

Screaming · 12-29-2005, 02:48 PM

This is going to be ugly.

xxxice · 12-29-2005, 02:48 PM

Sounds fun

CaptainHowdy · 12-29-2005, 02:55 PM

Where´s IbillFan when you need a good laugh ??....

TheLegacy · 12-29-2005, 02:55 PM

"Ponzi" Schemes
Ponzi schemes are a type of illegal pyramid scheme named for Charles Ponzi, who duped thousands of New England residents into investing in a postage stamp speculation scheme back in the 1920s. Ponzi thought he could take advantage of differences between U.S. and foreign currencies used to buy and sell international mail coupons. Ponzi told investors that he could provide a 40% return in just 90 days compared with 5% for bank savings accounts. Ponzi was deluged with funds from investors, taking in $1 million during one three-hour period?and this was 1921! Though a few early investors were paid off to make the scheme look legitimate, an investigation found that Ponzi had only purchased about $30 worth of the international mail coupons.

Decades later, the Ponzi scheme continues to work on the "rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul" principle, as money from new investors is used to pay off earlier investors until the whole scheme collapses. For more information, please read pyramid schemes in our Fast Answers databank.

http://www.sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm

this is what IBill is doing now. receiving money, keeping most for itself, then paying little to who is owed. Its a federal offense

will76 · 12-29-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by John69

Will you should go into collections and tale a % to get other webmasters $$$$ while your at it, they owe me a nice amount.

Hey if my attorney thinks he can get his teeth into them and he can put together a class action suit i will be sure to let everyone know. Honestly, we all know if we have to wait to get paid through Ibill (the company) we will never see a dime. Now, if we can go after the owners we will get paid.

I will also ask him how we can help out the out of the countries ibill victims. If it would be possible for someone like me to buy their account and sue on their behalf. who knows we might be able to do something there as well.

Webby · 12-29-2005, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

Hey if my attorney thinks he can get his teeth into them and he can put together a class action suit i will be sure to let everyone know. Honestly, we all know if we have to wait to get paid through Ibill (the company) we will never see a dime. Now, if we can go after the owners we will get paid.

I will also ask him how we can help out the out of the countries ibill victims. If it would be possible for someone like me to buy their account and sue on their behalf. who knows we might be able to do something there as well.

Will.. this is a lot of work and time needed to stay on top of it.

There was a period I was monitoring stuff, but, as you may expect in "unstable situations" - these provoke folks to have a desire to change the corp paperwork - almost daily. It's called covering your ass that day - there were these "delicate days"

But sure.. little doubt this will continue after the demise of iBill - it will probably not even start till after iBill is gone. But.. got the feeling it's going to be hard to do a damage limitiation on associated companies and cover for individuals what is already on the record. It's hard to wipe out the banking records or "statements of fact".

There is a very flippant attitude to corp laws with the real motivators and a tendency not to clean up after em. (Tho.. some of these are damned ingenious in a warped way!!)

Reckon we will only start 2006 seeing the beginning of the iBill saga Will. You are correct in that there are existing funds where individuals can be personally chased for settlement.

bigdog · 12-29-2005, 04:50 PM

will does ibil owe you millions?

will76 · 12-29-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

will does ibil owe you millions?

NO JUST 30k.

JimmyG · 12-29-2005, 06:46 PM

Way to go Will

These jokers need a good kick in the ass.

imageman · 12-30-2005, 12:12 PM

Well i was told i would have to start sending joins to my sites before i would be paid out whats due from before Sept 2004. Im willing to testify in court if that helps, even if i have to fly to Florida ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

If anyone has any information on ibill doing any criminal activities, even if it is just hear-say etc..let me know. I am trying to collect all of the information I can get my hands on.

Please post it here or email it to me. ([email protected]) I am getting my attorney geared up to try to launch a lawsuit against the owners of ibill and if we are successful in piercing the corporate vail we will have a legal grounds to go after all of the principles individually, even if ibill goes under.

If they don't want to pay me, but they have no problems paying themselves fat bonuses, then I will have to go after their bonuses, and houses, and whatever my attorney can get his hands on.

Any information is appreciated.

TheLegacy · 12-30-2005, 12:24 PM

what is most bothering about them is the attitude that we are all sheep and they only need to tell us what to beleive and we are to do so. Fuck IBill and their elitist mentality. They would have gotten a better reception if they were simply honest with us - now because of their arrogance they are on a downward spiral living off of lies and fresh newbies who dont know any better and blindly trust them

blackfeet · 12-30-2005, 01:27 PM

it's about damn time.

i never used them for my sites, but i am owed monies from sponsors they ripped off.
they have alot of nerve trying to come back for more.

SilentKnight · 12-30-2005, 02:15 PM

Will - thanks for posting that earlier link to the New York Daily Times story. Its the very best summation of current events I've seen so far...extremely well written by Lawrence Kiminski.

I think EVERY newbie should be immediately pointed to that link if they ever express a desire to use iBill on their website. Kiminski's timeline in the story spells it all out. I only wish he had embellished a little more on the known criminal backgrounds of the Gallanis clan.

12-29-2005, 12:19 PM	#1
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	ibill criminal information needed???? If anyone has any information on ibill doing any criminal activities, even if it is just hear-say etc..let me know. I am trying to collect all of the information I can get my hands on. Please post it here or email it to me. ([email protected]) I am getting my attorney geared up to try to launch a lawsuit against the owners of ibill and if we are successful in piercing the corporate vail we will have a legal grounds to go after all of the principles individually, even if ibill goes under. If they don't want to pay me, but they have no problems paying themselves fat bonuses, then I will have to go after their bonuses, and houses, and whatever my attorney can get his hands on. Any information is appreciated. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

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12-29-2005, 12:48 PM	#6
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	nice bit of info: http://www.junkfax.org/fax/evidence/...d_icn_info.htm __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

12-29-2005, 01:03 PM	#7
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12-29-2005, 01:43 PM	#9
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Hornydog4cooter Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,859	Bump for everyone who got screwed

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Mr Dickovitch Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,070	Thieving bastards. Fuck them up!

12-29-2005, 02:39 PM	#13
John69 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 942	Will you should go into collections and tale a % to get other webmasters $$$$ while your at it, they owe me a nice amount.

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TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,070	http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=ibill+illegal technical term is called The Ponzi scheme - check it out __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

12-29-2005, 02:48 PM	#17
Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	This is going to be ugly. __________________

12-29-2005, 02:48 PM	#18
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	Sounds fun

12-29-2005, 02:55 PM	#19
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,567	Where´s IbillFan when you need a good laugh ??....

12-29-2005, 04:50 PM	#23
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	will does ibil owe you millions?

12-29-2005, 06:46 PM	#25
JimmyG Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 96	Way to go Will These jokers need a good kick in the ass.

12-30-2005, 12:24 PM	#27
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,070	what is most bothering about them is the attitude that we are all sheep and they only need to tell us what to beleive and we are to do so. Fuck IBill and their elitist mentality. They would have gotten a better reception if they were simply honest with us - now because of their arrogance they are on a downward spiral living off of lies and fresh newbies who dont know any better and blindly trust them __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

12-30-2005, 01:27 PM	#28
blackfeet Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 589	it's about damn time. i never used them for my sites, but i am owed monies from sponsors they ripped off. they have alot of nerve trying to come back for more.

12-30-2005, 02:15 PM	#29
SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	Will - thanks for posting that earlier link to the New York Daily Times story. Its the very best summation of current events I've seen so far...extremely well written by Lawrence Kiminski. I think EVERY newbie should be immediately pointed to that link if they ever express a desire to use iBill on their website. Kiminski's timeline in the story spells it all out. I only wish he had embellished a little more on the known criminal backgrounds of the Gallanis clan.