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Old 12-31-2005, 06:08 PM   #1
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Gas bill not paid=cut off

Aint that fucking great.
Russia cuts off the gas supply to Ukraine cos Ukraine cant afforrd to pay its gs bll. Leaving millions cold this winter. Retalliation for Orange Revolution?
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That is fucking terrible. Are u serious
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Old 12-31-2005, 06:12 PM   #3
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Some how I expected this to be a small bitch about not paying a local gas company and was ready with the standard no shit that happens response.
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Yeah, I heard about that on the news. Russia was going to have a 'celebration' or a ceremony. Iwas thinking, a 'ceremony'? For what? People freezing to death? How lovely.

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I read the Ruskies are demanding that Ukraine pay $230 per 1,000 cubic meters of natural gas. Isn't the current rate somewhere around $50 per 1,000 cubic meters?

The situation's pretty fucked up.
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I think they are pissed they didn't manage to kill/defeat the President during the election process. Does that guy still look hideous from the poison?
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i dunno , but they sure did a job on him





Crazy that it could do that shit without killing you first..
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Aint that fucking great.
Russia cuts off the gas supply to Ukraine cos Ukraine cant afforrd to pay its gs bll. Leaving millions cold this winter. Retalliation for Orange Revolution?
its part of a dispute that has been going on for over a fucking decade with Ukraine refusing to pay market prices. they wanted their independence, they got it... if they want gas, they have to actually pay for it now.

retard.
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its part of a dispute that has been going on for over a fucking decade with Ukraine refusing to pay market prices. they wanted their independence, they got it... if they want gas, they have to actually pay for it now.
So your contention is that natural gas costs $230 per 1,000 cubic meters on the open market?

retard.
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Old 12-31-2005, 06:39 PM   #12
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So your contention is that natural gas costs $230 per 1,000 cubic meters on the open market?

retard.
where does it say its $230?
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again, you know nothing about this story so why cry a river?
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where does it say its $230?
"Due to what Gazprom calls intentional stalling on the Ukrainian side and the company's renegotiation of gas contracts with other former Soviet states, the price was later increased to $230 tcm"

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.ph...8-035023-5550r

"Russia's state-owned gas monopoly Gazpromis insisting that Ukraine pays $230 for 1,000 cubic meters of gas, more than four times the current price; Ukraine's gas-transport company, Naftohaz Ukrayiny, maintains that it has a valid contract with Gazprom until 2009, which would sustain the current price of $50 for 1,000 cubic meters of gas and the current gas transit fees of $1.09 per 1,000 cubic meters per 100 kilometers Ukraine charges Gazprom."

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle...48E747922.html

"Russian authorities are demanding that Ukraine pay $230--much more than the current price of $50--per 1,000 cubic meters of natural gas."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ationworld-hed
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Just for you bringer -- IHT (12/30)

"Gazprom, with President Vladimir Putin's approval, has proposed charging $220 to $230 per 1,000 cubic meters..."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/30/news/gas.php
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"Due to what Gazprom calls intentional stalling on the Ukrainian side and the company's renegotiation of gas contracts with other former Soviet states, the price was later increased to $230 tcm"

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.ph...8-035023-5550r

"Russia's state-owned gas monopoly Gazpromis insisting that Ukraine pays $230 for 1,000 cubic meters of gas, more than four times the current price; Ukraine's gas-transport company, Naftohaz Ukrayiny, maintains that it has a valid contract with Gazprom until 2009, which would sustain the current price of $50 for 1,000 cubic meters of gas and the current gas transit fees of $1.09 per 1,000 cubic meters per 100 kilometers Ukraine charges Gazprom."

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle...48E747922.html

"Russian authorities are demanding that Ukraine pay $230--much more than the current price of $50--per 1,000 cubic meters of natural gas."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ationworld-hed
you are reading it wrong. the current market value is $230 which russia wants them to pay. they arent asking them to pay 4x what others pay.

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Russia's state-controlled Gazprom gas monopoly argues that Ukraine should pay $220-230, more in line with world prices and portrays the demand as putting the gas sphere in line with market-economy demands.

Ukraine doesn't argue with the market-economy theory and Yushchenko's office said he told Putin Tuesday that he supports price liberalization. But Ukraine wants the price increases to be phased in over a period of five years.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...kraine.gas.ap/
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Gas here in mexico is so freaking cheap it is insane. they should buy from mexico.
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you are reading it wrong. the current market value is $230 which russia wants them to pay. they arent asking them to pay 4x what others pay.
Sorry that I was somewhat criptic in my "open market" comment.

I understand that $220-$230 is the market price. My main point of contention is that the Ukraine is locked in at $50 until 2009, but are willing to negotiate up prior to the expiration. Gazprom (Putin) is not willing and taking a hard line.
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So your contention is that natural gas costs $230 per 1,000 cubic meters on the open market?

retard.
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Just for you bringer -- IHT (12/30)

"Gazprom, with President Vladimir Putin's approval, has proposed charging $220 to $230 per 1,000 cubic meters..."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/30/news/gas.php
how nice of you to use a "..." instead of finishing the sentence. this thread is boring. ill bbl
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again, you know nothing about this story so why cry a river?
Sometimes it's just about caring.. And/or Shut the fuck up.

I think with you it was the STFU part.
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Sorry that I was somewhat criptic in my "open market" comment.

I understand that $220-$230 is the market price. My main point of contention is that the Ukraine is locked in at $50 until 2009, but are willing to negotiate up prior to the expiration. Gazprom (Putin) is not willing and taking a hard line.
yeah, i understand there are other things that factored into this and it is indeed a screwed up situation. i was referring to your post i quoted above which might of given people the impression that Russia was attempting to overcharge over 4x the market price to Ukraine. time to drink
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I think with you it was the STFU part.
go sit on a cactus shithead
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I do not have the same sick fantasies as you do. But if that's what you want, go ahead bitch.
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I don't want to see them. Sick fucks like you disgust me. Just show them to your boyfriend.
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my boyfriend thought you might enjoy it. oh well, your loss
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Russia cuts off the gas supply to Ukraine cos Ukraine cant afforrd to pay its gs bll. Leaving millions cold this winter. Retalliation for Orange Revolution?
The Ukraine government claim they have enough gas in reserve to last the winter.
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Did they ever learn conclusively what caused it? I recall the story and photos at the time, but never heard for sure what exactly happened.
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I remember that ! Did he ever recover at all from what they did to him? Or does he still look that way? I know there will obviously be some scarring, but did it ever improve at all?
poor guy
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A lot of Europe gets gas from that area.
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Looks like DarkJedi is going to freeze his little tootsies off this winter.
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Im not siding with either but Ukraine has had heavily dicounted Gas since the break up and since aligning itself with Western Eu politically and upsetting Russia something like thsi has been on the cards
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Did they ever learn conclusively what caused it? I recall the story and photos at the time, but never heard for sure what exactly happened.

a poison called dioxin was poured in his food
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Well, kind hearted person, a lot of Europe gets their gas from the Ukraine and/or Russia. So, I would say more than a few people care about the potential lack of sufficant gas supply to their countries. Thanks for you concern.
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