Issue with Chio's "payment gateway" - GoFuckYourself.com

FredIsMe · 02-19-2006, 05:18 PM

I have no beef with Chio, I just found issue with his upcoming "payment gateway". Here is what I found.

On December 9 2005 Chio made a thread, http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/549978-yargh-business-remake-paypal-epassporte.html, which he states "My paypal system after a year of solid coding/designing/planning/investing should be complete within the next month."

It still hasnt been released so I decided to find out what it was. With a simple search of "chio the pirate" on google I found BlingBlog, http://www.bligblog.com/2005/03/28/9/chio-the-pirate/, and on the index, http://www.bligblog.com/, there is the text link "Bliggle! An excellent alternative to paypal". When you click it to go to Bliggle, http://www.bliggle.com.

The payment site Bliggle, http://bliggle.com/, which is registered to the address:
Bliggle.com Inc.
840 SW 28th Terrace, Ste 1752
Cape Coral, FL
33914

US

Has the same address as Chio's site Sharky Farts, http://www.sharkyfarts.com:
Deck Swabbers Inc.
820 SW 28th Terrace Suite 1752
Cape Coral, FL 33914
US

So I assume that is Chio's payment gateway.

By adding "/images" to bliggle.com you get a listing of its images -> http://www.bliggle.com/images/ which results in images like:
http://www.bliggle.com/images/selling_tools.gif - contains the word "cuPaid", which is a term used in cuSell, http://www.cusell.com/cusell/?x=help...a95c 8f69643e
http://www.bliggle.com/images/start_img.gif - which is the same image, except in orange, found at http://www.cusell.com/members/?x=start&
http://www.bliggle.com/images/fam.gif - which is the same image at http://www.cusell.com/cusell/?x=home

I can go on with the images...

So it seems that Bliggle, Chio's Payment Gateway, is actually using cuSell, http://www.cusell.com/order.html, software you buy starting at $150.

The issue I have is security, the security that must be had when you ask for someone's private information like credit card information, and frankly I doubt that a $150 piece of software can offer the security people receive from epassporte and paypal.

If there are issues with my post then I ask Chio to clarify.

* Note: all links worked at time of post

JFK · 02-19-2006, 05:21 PM

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm Very interesting

who · 02-19-2006, 05:24 PM

Perhaps that's what he's been working on all that time, the security of it?

Jace · 02-19-2006, 05:25 PM

um, dude, it isn't really even released yet...how can you knock something that isn't even being used?

Jace · 02-19-2006, 05:26 PM

and FYI, a LOT of really huge services we use today were based on a small script that someone used to start with

so, once again, if it isn't even a live site or a active payment solution, how can you even comment on it?

mortenb · 02-19-2006, 05:30 PM

Lets just assume that that stuff is the leftovers from some old project Chio was doing. I can't say that I know Chio, but the stuff he has released to date has been very nice.. and as Jace said, he hasn't released his system yet, so lets wait with the "issues"

FredIsMe · 02-19-2006, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

and FYI, a LOT of really huge services we use today were based on a small script that someone used to start with

so, once again, if it isn't even a live site or a active payment solution, how can you even comment on it?

I would just like to know what Chio meant by "solid coding/designing/planning/investing" when all it seems like is that he bought cuSell.

I would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to giving someone my credit card/banking information.

chadglni · 02-19-2006, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredIsMe

I would just like to know what Chio meant by "solid coding/designing/planning/investing" when all it seems like is that he bought cuSell.

I would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to giving someone my credit card/banking information.

You make no fucking sense. Online security isn't exactly rocket science, pretty much everyone in this industry deals with it in some form or another.

FredIsMe · 02-19-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

You make no fucking sense. Online security isn't exactly rocket science, pretty much everyone in this industry deals with it in some form or another.

I dont know about you, but I dont just give my credit card information to someone who says their system is secure.

MetaMan · 02-19-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FredIsMe

I dont know about you, but I dont just give my credit card information to someone who says their system is secure.

so you only give it when they say it is not secure?

WiredGuy · 02-19-2006, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredIsMe

I would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to giving someone my credit card/banking information.

What if you waited until he actually releases it? It seems your extremely eager to give your credit/banking information.
WG

chadglni · 02-19-2006, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredIsMe

I dont know about you, but I dont just give my credit card information to someone who says their system is secure.

It doesn't make a shit what YOU do. I know you are in adult but you do realize that pretty much every other business in the fucking world that works online has their own merchant account right?

sonofsam · 02-19-2006, 05:41 PM

bro.. anything chio releases is quality..

for all we know, he just bought that script to see how it works, and see what areas it needs improving.. to get ideas for his own script..

i know if i was going to be launching a service like that, i'd research all the other competing products too...

just my 2 cents.

FredIsMe · 02-19-2006, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

What if you waited until he actually releases it? It seems your extremely eager to give your credit/banking information.
WG

I investigated this because someone else mentioned this issue to me.

Chio · 02-19-2006, 05:44 PM

I am sure given your powers of deduction that you know it takes more than simple software to build an alternative to paypal.

For instance Money transmitter licenses. A lot of legal issues, and red tape need to be taken care of. The software is the easy part.

Cusell was purchased a long time ago as a simple study.

I have my main coder in the UK, coding the payment system from scratch. He's the same person that coded my other large ecommerce sites.

Thanks for looking out, next time ask me though. My door is always open.

chadglni · 02-19-2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

bro.. anything chio releases is quality..

for all we know, he just bought that script to see how it works, and see what areas it needs improving.. to get ideas for his own script..

i know if i was going to be launching a service like that, i'd research all the other competing products too...

just my 2 cents.

What if he is using that script? In the payment industry the script is just a blip on the radar of shit that has to be set up and means nothing in the long run. It's all about the backend of it and a $150 script sold a few hundred times is just as likely to be secure as a hand coded one, in fact more likely. I still don't understand this post. It's like my grandma getting online for the first time. People have been doing business online for a decade, seems they'd be used to it by now.

Edit: What Chio said.

People are unbelievable.

FredIsMe · 02-19-2006, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni

It doesn't make a shit what YOU do. I know you are in adult but you do realize that pretty much every other business in the fucking world that works online has their own merchant account right?

Sorry but I am finished talking with you until you can stop with the foul language.

chadglni · 02-19-2006, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredIsMe

Sorry but I am finished talking with you until you can stop with the foul language.

You're done talking then you ignorant piece of shit. Look at the url you're on, get your head out of your ass, and shut the fuck up pussy.

FredIsMe · 02-19-2006, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio

I am sure given your powers of deduction that you know it takes more than simple software to build an alternative to paypal.

For instance Money transmitter licenses. A lot of legal issues, and red tape need to be taken care of. The software is the easy part.

Cusell was purchased a long time ago as a simple study.

I have my main coder in the UK, coding the payment system from scratch. He's the same person that coded my other large ecommerce sites.

Thanks for looking out, next time ask me though. My door is always open.

I am glad you clarified, I just want to make sure that those that are influenced by popular one's, like yourself, trust only themselves and not the words of others.

sonofsam · 02-19-2006, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni

What if he is using that script? In the payment industry the script is just a blip on the radar of shit that has to be set up and means nothing in the long run. It's all about the backend of it and a $150 script sold a few hundred times is just as likely to be secure as a hand coded one, in fact more likely. I still don't understand this post. It's like my grandma getting online for the first time. People have been doing business online for a decade, seems they'd be used to it by now.

Edit: What Chio said.

People are unbelievable.

I was defending chio....

all i'm saying is that just because that script is on his server, doesn't mean hes going to be using it

chadglni · 02-19-2006, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

I was defending chio....

all i'm saying is that just because that script is on his server, doesn't mean hes going to be using it

Wasn't arguing with you, just touching up on one of your points. Meaning, who fucking cares what script he uses, the script hardly makes a payment gateway biz.

FredIsMe · 02-19-2006, 05:53 PM

I would like to thank Chio for clarifying, and I hope to see Bliggle as a secure system that out does the competitors.

But always trust your own intuitions and not the word of others, especially when it comes to your personal information.

Thanks.

seeric · 02-19-2006, 05:56 PM

so why not email him and handle it completley offline? just a question.

TheSquealer · 02-19-2006, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredIsMe

I would like to thank Chio for clarifying, and I hope to see Bliggle as a secure system that out does the competitors.

But always trust your own intuitions and not the word of others, especially when it comes to your personal information.

Thanks.

in the year 2026 i am launching "go to the moon" space tours. please post your concerns in this thread so i can address them early on.

FredIsMe · 02-19-2006, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

so why not email him and handle it completley offline? just a question.

I decided to fight the fires for the betterment of others, so dont say I didnt warn you.

Thanks all, but I am done reposting to this thread.

chadglni · 02-19-2006, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredIsMe

I decided to fight the fires for the betterment of others, so dont say I didnt warn you.

Thanks all, but I am done reposting to this thread.

This guy has to be a troll, or high on something.

02-19-2006, 05:18 PM	#1
FredIsMe So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Livin' in America Posts: 2,406	Issue with Chio's "payment gateway" I have no beef with Chio, I just found issue with his upcoming "payment gateway". Here is what I found. On December 9 2005 Chio made a thread, http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/549978-yargh-business-remake-paypal-epassporte.html, which he states "My paypal system after a year of solid coding/designing/planning/investing should be complete within the next month." It still hasnt been released so I decided to find out what it was. With a simple search of "chio the pirate" on google I found BlingBlog, http://www.bligblog.com/2005/03/28/9/chio-the-pirate/, and on the index, http://www.bligblog.com/, there is the text link "Bliggle! An excellent alternative to paypal". When you click it to go to Bliggle, http://www.bliggle.com. The payment site Bliggle, http://bliggle.com/, which is registered to the address: Bliggle.com Inc. 840 SW 28th Terrace, Ste 1752 Cape Coral, FL 33914 US Has the same address as Chio's site Sharky Farts, http://www.sharkyfarts.com: Deck Swabbers Inc. 820 SW 28th Terrace Suite 1752 Cape Coral, FL 33914 US So I assume that is Chio's payment gateway. By adding "/images" to bliggle.com you get a listing of its images -> http://www.bliggle.com/images/ which results in images like: http://www.bliggle.com/images/selling_tools.gif - contains the word "cuPaid", which is a term used in cuSell, http://www.cusell.com/cusell/?x=help...a95c 8f69643e http://www.bliggle.com/images/start_img.gif - which is the same image, except in orange, found at http://www.cusell.com/members/?x=start& http://www.bliggle.com/images/fam.gif - which is the same image at http://www.cusell.com/cusell/?x=home I can go on with the images... So it seems that Bliggle, Chio's Payment Gateway, is actually using cuSell, http://www.cusell.com/order.html, software you buy starting at $150. The issue I have is security, the security that must be had when you ask for someone's private information like credit card information, and frankly I doubt that a $150 piece of software can offer the security people receive from epassporte and paypal. If there are issues with my post then I ask Chio to clarify. * Note: all links worked at time of post

02-19-2006, 05:21 PM	#2
JFK FUBAR the ORIGINATOR Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: FUBARLAND Posts: 67,374	hmmmmmmmmmmmmm Very interesting __________________ FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

02-19-2006, 05:41 PM	#13
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	bro.. anything chio releases is quality.. for all we know, he just bought that script to see how it works, and see what areas it needs improving.. to get ideas for his own script.. i know if i was going to be launching a service like that, i'd research all the other competing products too... just my 2 cents. __________________ I like turtles.

02-19-2006, 05:44 PM	#15
Chio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ICQ: 39-183769 Posts: 8,002	I am sure given your powers of deduction that you know it takes more than simple software to build an alternative to paypal. For instance Money transmitter licenses. A lot of legal issues, and red tape need to be taken care of. The software is the easy part. Cusell was purchased a long time ago as a simple study. I have my main coder in the UK, coding the payment system from scratch. He's the same person that coded my other large ecommerce sites. Thanks for looking out, next time ask me though. My door is always open. __________________ I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's pr7! RIP Texas Dreams Are you a content producer or program owner sick of tube sites? Contact me on ICQ: 39-183769

02-19-2006, 05:24 PM	#3
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	Perhaps that's what he's been working on all that time, the security of it?

02-19-2006, 05:25 PM	#4
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	um, dude, it isn't really even released yet...how can you knock something that isn't even being used?

02-19-2006, 05:26 PM	#5
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	and FYI, a LOT of really huge services we use today were based on a small script that someone used to start with so, once again, if it isn't even a live site or a active payment solution, how can you even comment on it?

02-19-2006, 05:30 PM	#6
mortenb Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Denmark ICQ: 7880009 Posts: 2,203	Lets just assume that that stuff is the leftovers from some old project Chio was doing. I can't say that I know Chio, but the stuff he has released to date has been very nice.. and as Jace said, he hasn't released his system yet, so lets wait with the "issues"

02-19-2006, 05:53 PM	#22
FredIsMe So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Livin' in America Posts: 2,406	I would like to thank Chio for clarifying, and I hope to see Bliggle as a secure system that out does the competitors. But always trust your own intuitions and not the word of others, especially when it comes to your personal information. Thanks.

02-19-2006, 05:56 PM	#23
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	so why not email him and handle it completley offline? just a question.