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Donny · 03-05-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

yes, 1 out of 100 will email you, big fucking deal

I'm sure you've learned that for every 1 member who emails you, there are hundreds who feel the same and don't bother.

Lord Aga · 03-05-2006, 04:42 PM

Paul,

I think I remember telling you to start a paysite based on your own content many many years ago! ;)

aico · 03-05-2006, 04:46 PM

LMAO a guy who shoots teen content saying how it's not hard to run a teen paysite... What's next? Don Cornelious coming in here to tell us how it's not hard to run a dance club?

andrej_NDC · 03-05-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny

I'm sure you've learned that for every 1 member who emails you, there are hundreds who feel the same and don't bother.

I have seen stats from various programs, exclusive, non-exclusive and the retention wasn't better on the exclusive ones. Im not saying exclusive is bad, but its worthless for general niches, where you can find hundreds of good non-exclusive scenes. Exclusive is good for small niches, special niches, themed sites, etc...

Drake · 03-05-2006, 05:14 PM

Good shit

PamiebDVD · 03-05-2006, 05:40 PM

Hi Paul,

When you get a minute, can you please ICQ me, I've got a question for you.

Thanks

BVF · 03-05-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If everyone bought our content I would be taking a suite at the Venetian for the show. but then it would be saturated and it would not convert. Ever heard of an oxymoron?

I don't feel like finding the thread where we had another debate and you told me how I could meet up with you in your SUITE that you shared with your wife at the Florida show.

AmateurWealth · 03-05-2006, 06:15 PM

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Bullshit. 8 years in this business tells me much different. If I post a set of photos that I've sold to someone else I receive emails from members. They're not stupid.

Donny...try not to give too much away....there will always be naysayers on exclusive....

I try to just apply what i know to this biz everday and add what i learn...this argument has been going on for a long time...but i will bet he number of companies that went under with non-exclusive content...heavily outweighs the number that went under with it....

Take a peek at the biggest programs on the web.....how many have exclusive? there must be something to it...

jimmy-3-way · 03-05-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If everyone bought our content I would be taking a suite at the Venetian for the show.

Am I the only person here who knows that EVERY room at the Venetian is a suite? Paul are you saying that you have to shack up at Treasure Island because you can't afford the Venetian?

Paul Markham · 03-05-2006, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny

Bullshit. 8 years in this business tells me much different. If I post a set of photos that I've sold to someone else I receive emails from members. They're not stupid.

The simple truth is if non exclusive was so saturated, exclusive shooters would not be working for peanuts. s set has to be sold to get saturated. So why do shooters beg to get $400 for a solo girl set and video? Around 10 sales over it's lifetime at $40.

Or are you saying the guys shooting exclusive can't sell a set/video 10 times? If so can you explain why.

Paul Markham · 03-05-2006, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Aga

Paul,

I think I remember telling you to start a paysite based on your own content many many years ago! ;)

Very true.

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Originally Posted by aico

LMAO a guy who shoots teen content saying how it's not hard to run a teen paysite... What's next? Don Cornelious coming in here to tell us how it's not hard to run a dance club?

You did not read my post properly. I said it's not as hard as some would have you believe.

But I take your point, as one on the top teen shooters in the business it is a little easier. But the edge I have is easily bought.

Paul Markham · 03-06-2006, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AmateurWealth

Donny...try not to give too much away....there will always be naysayers on exclusive....

I try to just apply what i know to this biz ever day and add what i learn...this argument has been going on for a long time...but i will bet he number of companies that went under with non-exclusive content...heavily outweighs the number that went under with it....

Take a peek at the biggest programs on the web.....how many have exclusive? there must be something to it...

I'm not denying the effectiveness in getting affiliates to believe Exclusive is the major key to getting sign ups. I'm saying it matters little to the surfer and all the evidence points to me being right on this.

The Adult Internet is built LARGELY on retaining a member long enough to keep him 2 months then upsell or cross sell him to earn enough to pay an affiliate $30 for sending him. If Exclusive retains so well why are all affiliates of Exclusive sites only using REVSHARE?

Yes many of the big programs that started prior to 2000 are using exclusive content. Most of them built up a base that allowed them to build big sites full of exclusive. How many of them retain longer than 3 months on average?

If Exclusive is the key to the paysite door, why do sponsors pay so badly? The money made from shooting exclusive is paltry in most cases.

We are in the business of supplying a product to one of the biggest moving markets in the world. Tell any manufacturer that your business model is based on retaining a customer for 2 months and he will not believe you. We survive because the surfer moves from site to site. He stays within the market for years, though only buying from a site maybe once or twice.

He moves on because to him it's not exclusive, well very little of it is. If he's into Blonde's fucking big black cocks, how many sites offer that niche? If he's into girls getting gang banged, how many sites offer it? Both THEMED.

Now when it comes to cute teens with vibrators his choice is unlimited and the fact that you are the only person with this girl on that sofa, with that dildo is meaningless to a surfer looking to jerk off. The retention/conversion of these sites prove it.

I'm saying good THEMED porn will sell and retain better than a mish mash of porn. My site is themed around me, not as well as I would like but I have time restraints and bigger fish to fry. But a site of "Exclusive" porn is not going to make a surfer sign up, he needs a lot more than that.

Proof also is my conversion ratios and retention. Look at how much work I put into the paysite and the money we make. The sign ups are due to the porn being good and nothing else.

DamageX · 03-07-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurWealth

Damage...nothing against you...but i deal with big program owners all the time....the difference between 10,000 members and 50,000 members is exclusive content and retention.....

front end conversion is nothing with out retaining the customer as long as possible....it is an out dated model....

Pauls content however is top notch....nothing against that...but i have SEEN the results first hand

Actually, if anything, I'd say that front-end conversion would be the place where exclusive content would have an edge, if any.

If anything, I would try to look at many other things, in terms of explaining the 40K+ members difference. Such as, how many updates? How oftern? How big? How regular? How many sites do the members get access to, with one pass? These are a few things that highly influence retention, exclusive content or not.

All other things being equal, sure, I'd say exclusive content has an edge. But I'd say, given the overhead costs involved with exclusive content, non exclusive content should be, overall, more profitable, in the long-run. At least in most cases.

Then again, there's a profit in using both exclusive and non-exclusive, so what the fuck are we arguing about? If either model was grossly unprofitable, then it wouldn't exist, simple as that.

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