When dealing wiht solo girl site upsells, should I add the same niche or different ? - GoFuckYourself.com

Joesho · 03-17-2006, 07:21 PM

We will have www.ginabeckman.com live at the phoenix forum
Brought to you by www.earlmillercash.com

This is the first of many of our new contract girls.

So I will be signing up for programs or sites to promote as upsells from the members area.

I need to have some help from GFY on what is the best way to do it.

( useless spam to tell me to add your site without any helpful feedback will only cause me to add your site name to my no sign up list .)

so if you want me to ad your site as an upsell please tell me why or get someon else to give a testimonial about why I should.

I would really love to hear from solo site owners as to what they have had some success with .
I would also greatly appreciate any third party info from anyone that has some GOOD suggestions to offer so we can make this a site that you will want to promote and make money on.

I will be offering pay per join on this site as well as revshare.

Thank you,

Joe Jekel

Jace · 03-17-2006, 07:24 PM

Hey Joe

It is a really fine line for us, I like to give our surfers something similar, but at the same time you don't wanna run them off to another girls site and lose them...

My wife is in the porn star niche, so I generally try and turn our members on to another girl that is in the same class, but maybe a different style...so, for our site girls like Aria Giovanni work nicely, and also I have been having luck with Danni.com also, which is cool because we will never lose a surfer to danni.com because we have hardcore and they don't

Jace · 03-17-2006, 07:25 PM

oh, and btw, our site is now the #4 convertor for nscash, and I think she wouold do really well in Gina's site because of the difference the two girls have

Joesho · 03-17-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

oh, and btw, our site is now the #4 convertor for nscash, and I think she wouold do really well in Gina's site because of the difference the two girls have

I will get us signed up from earl miller too and send a link from her pictures on there as an upsell, we do that with many of the models now .

I will get Earl to sign up one day next week, I will need to check his shooting shchedual.

Thanks Jace

Jace · 03-17-2006, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joesho

I will get us signed up from earl miller too and send a link from her pictures on there as an upsell, we do that with many of the models now .

I will get Earl to sign up one day next week, I will need to check his shooting shchedual.

Thanks Jace

very cool man, you have my icq, let's get some shit going

Joesho · 03-17-2006, 08:43 PM

friday night, and nobody doing any business ?

circlekhabib · 03-17-2006, 09:12 PM

ask on slowprano maybe??

K&P Promo · 03-17-2006, 09:52 PM

We actually have had some decent success with upsells. The one I like to point out the most is the gallery swaping we've done with Ann-Angel. Although her site is nude and ours was NN (Ash recently went nude and now we swap even more members then when we were nn) Ashleigh's nn galleries in Ann's members area brought in many new members and vice versa. Also alot of these members remained with both Ann and our site. I credit this mostly to being very similar setup and niche. We have other upsells of dif looking girls but we don't seem to have the same success so that would tell me that the customer is after that particular look. Your site are obviously more hardcore then ours so I don't know how that would work but that's my input for you.

Joesho · 03-17-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by K&P Promo

We actually have had some decent success with upsells. The one I like to point out the most is the gallery swaping we've done with Ann-Angel. Although her site is nude and ours was NN (Ash recently went nude and now we swap even more members then when we were nn) Ashleigh's nn galleries in Ann's members area brought in many new members and vice versa. Also alot of these members remained with both Ann and our site. I credit this mostly to being very similar setup and niche. We have other upsells of dif looking girls but we don't seem to have the same success so that would tell me that the customer is after that particular look. Your site are obviously more hardcore then ours so I don't know how that would work but that's my input for you.

Thank you for your input, this girl is only Solo masterbation and girl/girl no hardcore at all on this particular site.

of course some of our girls will be hardcore sites though.

Joesho · 03-17-2006, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by circlekhabib

ask on slowprano maybe??

why? are you suggesting there is more business to be had from there than here ?

or are you suggesting no one from here wants to do any business with me ?

Or are you trying to offer me some helpful advice?

I am confused and have no time for mind/guessing games.

so could you please be clear for me ?

Jace · 03-17-2006, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joesho

why? are you suggesting there is more business to be had from there than here ?

or are you suggesting no one from here wants to do any business with me ?

Or are you trying to offer me some helpful advice?

I am confused and have no time for mind/guessing games.

so could you please be clear for me ?

i think he is just taking jabs at the fact that you are a regular on oprano and that it is a pretty slow board

RevSand · 03-17-2006, 11:07 PM

Spoke to you on ICQ about this but just wanted to bump the thread for you.

Joesho · 03-18-2006, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

i think he is just taking jabs at the fact that you are a regular on oprano and that it is a pretty slow board

you mean he was trying to be sarcastic?

Here ?
Now my feelings are hurt .

BabeHunter · 03-18-2006, 08:01 AM

We keep it pretty much in the same niche, i don't think solo site members are intrested in other niches

darksoul · 03-18-2006, 08:02 AM

upsells on revshare ?
fishy

Joesho · 03-18-2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul

upsells on revshare ?
fishy

what do you mean ? what is fishy?

you can always choose the pay per join option if you prefer .

darksoul · 03-18-2006, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joesho

what do you mean ? what is fishy?

you can always choose the pay per join option if you prefer .

Correct. But what about those that want recurring for a reason ?
You are not supposed to upsell on revshare.

Plus, there are two other programs that admitted here that they do
upsells and they're revshare only.

good job!

Joesho · 03-18-2006, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

Correct. But what about those that want recurring for a reason ?
You are not supposed to upsell on revshare.

Plus, there are two other programs that admitted here that they do
upsells and they're revshare only.

good job!

why is upsell on a revshare bad ?

you still get paid for the sale you made to the site , and on the recurring , and if the site has more to offer the members will stay longer and you will make more money , right ?

darksoul · 03-18-2006, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joesho

why is upsell on a revshare bad ?

you still get paid for the sale you made to the site , and on the recurring , and if the site has more to offer the members will stay longer and you will make more money , right ?

Because when you upsell the user will cancel the membership for your
site and I'll lose the recurring.

Juilan · 03-18-2006, 08:45 AM

Hey Joe,

Some reasons to use MovieDollars as an upsell...
-You can create a custom "GinasVod" or "GinasMovies" co-branded theater if you like.
-You can give 10-20 minutes free to to your members to test it out (no charge or CC).
-Your market might already be primed for buying glamour/babe movies like this Veronica Zemanova one for instance.

Joesho · 03-18-2006, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

Because when you upsell the user will cancel the membership for your
site and I'll lose the recurring.

well upsells can be many things,

if someone buys a product from a store I have tehy are not going to leave .

and if they like the site and the interaction of a solo girl they will not leave ( even if they decide to join another site too)

what do you base they will leave on ?

I mean I do not understand, because if they like the site why would they leave totally ? people only have one porn site membership at a time ?

Joesho · 03-18-2006, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

Because when you upsell the user will cancel the membership for your
site and I'll lose the recurring.

also if this is a concern, but you think the site will convert, why not just select the pay per join option?

sounds to me like the retaining part is what you would be worried about .

and if you collect say $35.00 a join, that is like getting over two months of revshare if the price point is $24.95 per month, right ? in fact it would be the same as collecting for a guaranteed three months worth of revshare almost , wouldn't it ? and if a person stayed for three months on the site already, it must mean they like the site and the girl, so what makes you think they will leave jsut because they join another site too that the site owner may have in a " friends of gina" section or something like that ?

darksoul · 03-18-2006, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joesho

well upsells can be many things,

if someone buys a product from a store I have tehy are not going to leave .

Correct. But on revshare the general consensus is that I should get a part
of that too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joesho

and if they like the site and the interaction of a solo girl they will not leave ( even if they decide to join another site too)
what do you base they will leave on ?
I mean I do not understand, because if they like the site why would they leave totally ?

If your retention is good enough you shouldn't feel the need to upsell in
the first place. (not memberships)
But thats rarely the case there are a handful of sites that have a good
retention.
Most tgp owners would kill you for this, because the system is based on
users coming back to their sites. By doing this you will get the credit
instead of them getting it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joesho

people only have one porn site membership at a time ?

Pretty much yea!

darksoul · 03-18-2006, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joesho

also if this is a concern, but you think the site will convert, why not just select the pay per join option?

sounds to me like the retaining part is what you would be worried about .

and if you collect say $35.00 a join, that is like getting over two months of revshare if the price point is $24.95 per month, right ? in fact it would be the same as collecting for a guaranteed three months worth of revshare almost , wouldn't it ? and if a person stayed for three months on the site already, it must mean they like the site and the girl, so what makes you think they will leave jsut because they join another site too that the site owner may have in a " friends of gina" section or something like that ?

Well,
this has been happening a lot lately due to poor retention. More and more
are starting to use PPS.
The retention if affected by many factors and one of them is upsells.

With PPS theres a lot of shaving tho..., PPS game has gone too far
and the amounts you'll see on PPS are getting ridiculous.
Common sense says theres gotta be some shaving to make up for those
amounts.

Monique Niccole · 03-18-2006, 09:08 AM

From an affiliate point of view, If I'm choosing rev share, then I want a percentage of the membership sales, upsells, consoles, dialers...everything.

From a sponsor POV, however, I wonder "at which point is the traffic/member mine?" Sponsors are putting out a lot of money in designs, bandwith, content costs, advertising, etc. Don't they deserve to make some money somewhere?

darksoul · 03-18-2006, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afrekete

From an affiliate point of view, If I'm choosing rev share, then I want a percentage of the membership sales, upsells, consoles, dialers...everything.

From a sponsor POV, however, I wonder "at which point is the traffic/member mine?" Sponsors are putting out a lot of money in designs, bandwith, content costs, advertising, etc. Don't they deserve to make some money somewhere?

Yes! Obviously they deserve to make money, everyone does.
But if a sponsor can't give me 50% revshare he shouldn't advertise 50%.
Put 30% or whatever you think it will make you a profit.

Joesho · 03-18-2006, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juilan

Hey Joe,

Some reasons to use MovieDollars as an upsell...
-You can create a custom "GinasVod" or "GinasMovies" co-branded theater if you like.
-You can give 10-20 minutes free to to your members to test it out (no charge or CC).
-Your market might already be primed for buying glamour/babe movies like this Veronica Zemanova one for instance.

Thank you, I will look into this.

Joesho · 03-18-2006, 04:50 PM

any other input on this issue is greatly appreciated.

Joesho · 03-20-2006, 07:40 AM

monday morning news?

03-17-2006, 07:21 PM	#1
Joesho want to get in shape Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on the lake Posts: 12,329	When dealing wiht solo girl site upsells, should I add the same niche or different ? We will have www.ginabeckman.com live at the phoenix forum Brought to you by www.earlmillercash.com This is the first of many of our new contract girls. So I will be signing up for programs or sites to promote as upsells from the members area. I need to have some help from GFY on what is the best way to do it. ( useless spam to tell me to add your site without any helpful feedback will only cause me to add your site name to my no sign up list .) so if you want me to ad your site as an upsell please tell me why or get someon else to give a testimonial about why I should. I would really love to hear from solo site owners as to what they have had some success with . I would also greatly appreciate any third party info from anyone that has some GOOD suggestions to offer so we can make this a site that you will want to promote and make money on. I will be offering pay per join on this site as well as revshare. Thank you, Joe Jekel __________________ Got any domains to sell? I proudly host all my stuff at www.rackco.com

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03-17-2006, 09:52 PM	#8
K&P Promo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 75	We actually have had some decent success with upsells. The one I like to point out the most is the gallery swaping we've done with Ann-Angel. Although her site is nude and ours was NN (Ash recently went nude and now we swap even more members then when we were nn) Ashleigh's nn galleries in Ann's members area brought in many new members and vice versa. Also alot of these members remained with both Ann and our site. I credit this mostly to being very similar setup and niche. We have other upsells of dif looking girls but we don't seem to have the same success so that would tell me that the customer is after that particular look. Your site are obviously more hardcore then ours so I don't know how that would work but that's my input for you. __________________

03-17-2006, 11:07 PM	#12
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03-17-2006, 07:24 PM	#2
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	Hey Joe It is a really fine line for us, I like to give our surfers something similar, but at the same time you don't wanna run them off to another girls site and lose them... My wife is in the porn star niche, so I generally try and turn our members on to another girl that is in the same class, but maybe a different style...so, for our site girls like Aria Giovanni work nicely, and also I have been having luck with Danni.com also, which is cool because we will never lose a surfer to danni.com because we have hardcore and they don't

03-17-2006, 07:25 PM	#3
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	oh, and btw, our site is now the #4 convertor for nscash, and I think she wouold do really well in Gina's site because of the difference the two girls have

03-18-2006, 08:01 AM	#14
BabeHunter Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: 2nd door on the left Posts: 4,063	We keep it pretty much in the same niche, i don't think solo site members are intrested in other niches __________________ Yep

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03-18-2006, 08:45 AM	#20
Juilan Sultan of Swing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: XXXodus Posts: 15,141	Hey Joe, Some reasons to use MovieDollars as an upsell... -You can create a custom "GinasVod" or "GinasMovies" co-branded theater if you like. -You can give 10-20 minutes free to to your members to test it out (no charge or CC). -Your market might already be primed for buying glamour/babe movies like this Veronica Zemanova one for instance. __________________ My Best Converting VOD Sponsor \|

03-18-2006, 09:08 AM	#25
Monique Niccole Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 5,653	From an affiliate point of view, If I'm choosing rev share, then I want a percentage of the membership sales, upsells, consoles, dialers...everything. From a sponsor POV, however, I wonder "at which point is the traffic/member mine?" Sponsors are putting out a lot of money in designs, bandwith, content costs, advertising, etc. Don't they deserve to make some money somewhere?

03-18-2006, 04:50 PM	#28
Joesho want to get in shape Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on the lake Posts: 12,329	any other input on this issue is greatly appreciated. __________________ Got any domains to sell? I proudly host all my stuff at www.rackco.com

03-20-2006, 07:40 AM	#29
Joesho want to get in shape Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on the lake Posts: 12,329	monday morning news? __________________ Got any domains to sell? I proudly host all my stuff at www.rackco.com