CCBill clamping down on links... - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

sickkittens · 03-24-2006, 08:14 PM

50 woj where are you's?

lyn1 · 03-24-2006, 08:19 PM

Fuck. CCBill will have to get rid of Met-Art as my site doesn't comply and I have Met-art all over it.

I bet the rules change when it's a biggy like Met-art. I don't know about you guys but CCbills affiliate site is a crock of shit to use. Sooooooooooo slow, it must have been scripted by a moron and I have a monstrously fast download connection.

Lyn from Oz

PS. I don't have that site in my sig.

Guitar Riff · 03-24-2006, 08:28 PM

Here is the simple solution if you don't like their rules then get the fuck out and dont use em simple see how many other processors ya have to use not too many that have remained above water. So whether ya like it or you don't CCBill is in the drivers seat so to speak. Just quit bitchin LOL

Kard63 · 03-24-2006, 08:34 PM

I like some of that perverted shit.

tony286 · 03-24-2006, 08:34 PM

I like my processor to be conservative, bravo ccbill. Also bdsm is not protected speech havent you been following the supreme court turning down a case involving bdsm.

OG LennyT · 03-24-2006, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Also - I don't know that its CCBill per se that determines these things.

Remember that VISA packs a punch in these matters and probably they're the ones who dictate certain things to the 3rd party guys.

exactly right

lyn1 · 03-24-2006, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guitar Riff

Here is the simple solution if you don't like their rules then get the fuck out and dont use em simple see how many other processors ya have to use not too many that have remained above water. So whether ya like it or you don't CCBill is in the drivers seat so to speak. Just quit bitchin LOL

Who's winging you dick. I am dropping Met-art as they aren't converting and pissing off CCBill.

Happy now.

Lyn from Oz

Guitar Riff · 03-24-2006, 08:46 PM

Lyn the message I posted wasnt meant for you so calm down :-) dont get the panties in a bunch ( it tends to chafe after awhile )

SilentKnight · 03-24-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by corvette

SilentKnight, i had written the above in order to answer that portion of your question. If you had submitted an account to us and it was rejected, we can discuss it on a one-off basis.

You mentioned that you were not (currently) a client, you can call it what you want, but our clients feel comfortable that their processing structure is well-protected and reinforced.

If you have any more questions, feel free to email them over and ill get them answered, have a good night

[email protected]

No thanks, Mark. I don't wish to discuss things with you privately. I see no reason why the answer can't be disclosed in a public forum for everyone's benefit...unless of course non-transparency is also CCBill policy.

I am genuinely glad that your current clients "feel comfortable" with your service.

SilentKnight · 03-24-2006, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guitar Riff

Here is the simple solution if you don't like their rules then get the fuck out and dont use em simple see how many other processors ya have to use not too many that have remained above water. So whether ya like it or you don't CCBill is in the drivers seat so to speak. Just quit bitchin LOL

As long as you feel comfortable being subjectively dictated to as to who and what you can and cannot link with - enjoy your business model.

NKYKev · 03-25-2006, 05:48 AM

Silent Knight:

It is unfortunate that your point has seemed to escape so many responders. While it is totally understandable that CCBill, or any other processor, would want to avoid legal issues, the subjectivity involved in judging whether the content on a particular site might violate these rules makes it impossible for a webmaster to know whether you are complying with them or not.

For example, no person to person watersports is pretty easy to understand, but "extreme pain" or "extreme beating" means what, exactly? While drawing blood with a flogging is clearly a violation of these rules, what else is extreme - is reddening the skin extreme, or does it require evidence of bruising, just as an example? As you stated, barring joining the site, how can you judge the nature of the content it has?

In practice, what it appears that CCBill is saying is that every single BDSM site you want to exchange links with needs to be cleared by them first before you link to it, or you risk losing your processing with them. I guess this is why they won't directly answer the questions you asked.

Barefootsies · 03-25-2006, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Did you even read the list? Much of it on there is perfectly legal in North America - and there's no justification of why they won't process for it. It comes down to their own anal subjective prudeness.

The reason is because VISA, other credit card companies and merchant banks are cracking down on it. Regardless of the 'processors' limits, TOS, or restrictions.

One of my billing companies was hit by the same shit last year. Some of the sites they processed for has crushing, or some shit like that and were hit by VISA/NOVA and fined $25,000. C4S was hit by the same type of shit. Although I think it was PETA that had reported them.

Regardless, CCBill or any processor for that matter still has to deal with VISA/merchant bank restrictions on top of their own.

jayeff · 03-25-2006, 07:23 AM

Everyone has opinions as to what is morally acceptable, about freedom of speech and the like. But such opinions are totally irrelevant within a business context. In that context, CCBill creating rules is no different than a paper supplier deciding to sell only blue paper.

It is however relevant that such subjective rules, rules which are likely to evolve in application while remaining unchanged in their wording, put every single program that processes through CCB in the position that at any time it may no longer be able to accept payments.

Such vulnerability means at the very least that no-one should process solely through CCB. It is always extremely poor business to depend on any single company or individual for a key function and that is compounded in this instance because, short of not dealing with anyone except surfers, it is practically impossible to have clean hands.

It isn't just that the nature of the Internet is such that sites are linked to other sites, so that whether an unacceptable link is one hop away or ten, we all have unacceptable links if we have any links at all. The biggest problem is that the 'Net is dynamic, constantly changing and much of it is automated. Thus my links might be totally clean this morning, but by afternoon an unacceptable site may be only a couple of hops away. There is no practical way to ensure that never happens.

One would hope that CCB recognize this reality and work with their clients to resolve issues in this area. After all, it is simple enough to ask someone to remove offending links and check for compliance. But it is dangerous to assume that they will never act peremptorily.

In the wider context, we need to hope that more workable payment solutions will appear so that, like someone buying paper, we have a broader choice of suppliers. But what is under our own control is that we need to wake up to the fact that we are in business and that there is no room for cowboys. It is all very well to come over all self-righteous about issues like this, but there are thousands and thousands of sites which push boundaries far more liberal than CCB's. And they are all hooked into the mainstream because someone turns a blind eye to the future for the sake of an extra signup or a little extra traffic today.

FetishTom · 03-25-2006, 07:48 AM

Always amazes me how a thread such as this brings out the smug gits who are happily sitting in the 'VISA loves me and my sites so fuck you jack' and seem incapable of dealing with a valid query regarding linkage to sites and responsibility of the webmaster for said links and how it may impact on their business.

So to all the 'quit bitchin' posts - contribute something useful or fuck off to another thread

Forkbeard · 03-25-2006, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socalkev

For example, no person to person watersports is pretty easy to understand, but "extreme pain" or "extreme beating" means what, exactly? While drawing blood with a flogging is clearly a violation of these rules, what else is extreme - is reddening the skin extreme, or does it require evidence of bruising, just as an example?

I know of two BDSM sites that featured whipping that have lost their CCbill processing. In both cases, the most extreme content *I* saw on those sites featured vivid welts, but no blood. Oddly, there are lots of spanking and caning sites with welts just as vivid, for whom processing appears to be no problem. The loss of billing appears to be tied to the "whipping" keyword, rather than to the actual content.

In my BDSM fetish niches, I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that a site billing with CCbill is not worth promoting, because CCbill can't be trusted to continue billing even for sites it initially approved.

As for all you smug bastards, you do realize that you're next, right? The powers that be (not CCbill, but the folks to whose tune CCbill is dancing) hate *your* porn just as much as they hate fetish porn. But there are a few more of you than there are of us, so they started with us. Classic divide and conquer tactics.

Old Ben said it best: "We must all hang together, or we shall most assuredly hang separately." I'll never understand how anybody in the porn business could fail to understand that.

Screaming · 03-25-2006, 08:28 AM

good for them =]

imageman · 03-25-2006, 08:33 AM

CCbill may be going a little over the top and it will require a lot of work on webmasters parts to ensure that their sites comply. But i would rather we as an industry police ourselves than have the government set up some sort of policing system for us ?

There are some big issues out there such as the .XXX TLD which is about to explode very soon....

TheGoldenChild · 03-25-2006, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

why would they ban Cannibalism?

j/k

maybe because of this??

http://www.american-cannibal.com/trailer.html

Bansheelinks · 03-25-2006, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

As long as you feel comfortable being subjectively dictated to as to who and what you can and cannot link with - enjoy your business model.

Hi, SK, you make some salient points, so I checked out your sites that you link to, and have no problem with any of them from what I can see. But I am curious; why do you use ticketsclub instead of a paid verotel account? Are the conversions the same with this free account on ticketsclub as they are on their paid version? If so, maybe other webmasters who specialize in BDSM should consider this option instead of CCBill.

SilentKnight · 03-25-2006, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

Hi, SK, you make some salient points, so I checked out your sites that you link to, and have no problem with any of them from what I can see. But I am curious; why do you use ticketsclub instead of a paid verotel account? Are the conversions the same with this free account on ticketsclub as they are on their paid version? If so, maybe other webmasters who specialize in BDSM should consider this option instead of CCBill.

It was our webhosting company that made the decision to go with the TicketsClub option instead of the Verotel lite/pro accounts. I think the reasoning was primarily the setup and recurring fees.

I couldn't tell you a comparison between Ticketsclub and the paid version since we don't go with both obviously.

SilentKnight · 03-25-2006, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

I know of two BDSM sites that featured whipping that have lost their CCbill processing. In both cases, the most extreme content *I* saw on those sites featured vivid welts, but no blood. Oddly, there are lots of spanking and caning sites with welts just as vivid, for whom processing appears to be no problem. The loss of billing appears to be tied to the "whipping" keyword, rather than to the actual content.

In my BDSM fetish niches, I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that a site billing with CCbill is not worth promoting, because CCbill can't be trusted to continue billing even for sites it initially approved.

As for all you smug bastards, you do realize that you're next, right? The powers that be (not CCbill, but the folks to whose tune CCbill is dancing) hate *your* porn just as much as they hate fetish porn. But there are a few more of you than there are of us, so they started with us. Classic divide and conquer tactics.

Old Ben said it best: "We must all hang together, or we shall most assuredly hang separately." I'll never understand how anybody in the porn business could fail to understand that.

Very well said...excellent points.

LHG · 03-25-2006, 10:22 AM

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One would hope that CCB recognize this reality and work with their clients to resolve issues in this area.

How can you work with someone that has made menstruation illegal?

Bansheelinks · 03-25-2006, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

It was our webhosting company that made the decision to go with the TicketsClub option instead of the Verotel lite/pro accounts. I think the reasoning was primarily the setup and recurring fees.

I couldn't tell you a comparison between Ticketsclub and the paid version since we don't go with both obviously.

I wonder if Ticketsclub converts better than CCBill does as I can tell you that lately CCBill's conversion ratios have been in the shitter. All you have to do is read the boards to realize this. Do you feel Ticketsclub converts? If so, as I stated previous, perhaps you are doing the correct thing by being with a more liberal biller and, to top it off, using Ticketsclub is free. Its an arm of Verotel and Verotel has a good reputation of paying its webmasters, too.

SilentKnight · 03-25-2006, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FetishTom

Always amazes me how a thread such as this brings out the smug gits who are happily sitting in the 'VISA loves me and my sites so fuck you jack' and seem incapable of dealing with a valid query regarding linkage to sites and responsibility of the webmaster for said links and how it may impact on their business.

So to all the 'quit bitchin' posts - contribute something useful or fuck off to another thread

I suspect these are mostly people who are happy with the status quo because they've never been directly affected by censorship regulations handed to them.

The erosion of 'acceptable content' will continue until it affects everyone. This is not a sky is falling sentiment - just fact...based on current trends.

How long before these same people start posting similiar threads in the future complaining about having to rip down links or content because someone else told them to?

I fear the days of a wide open internet are numbered. This isn't to say CCBill is the cause, of course. But they seem to be symptomatic of the problem for those of us who aren't happy towing the corporate policy or subscribing to someone else's subjective view of how things should be.

Jack_Daniels · 03-25-2006, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff

...the nature of the Internet is such that sites are linked to other sites, so that whether an unacceptable link is one hop away or ten, we all have unacceptable links if we have any links at all.

Bingo!

A links page, any links page, is merely one link in a huge chain that encompasses the entire web. The same applies to a TGP link.

It's as simple as that.

Therefore the only sites that are in full compliance with these rules are sites that none of us have ever heard of because they are sites with zero traffic.

SilentKnight · 03-25-2006, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

I wonder if Ticketsclub converts better than CCBill does as I can tell you that lately CCBill's conversion ratios have been in the shitter. All you have to do is read the boards to realize this. Do you feel Ticketsclub converts? If so, as I stated previous, perhaps you are doing the correct thing by being with a more liberal biller and, to top it off, using Ticketsclub is free. Its an arm of Verotel and Verotel has a good reputation of paying its webmasters, too.

Yeah, they seem to convert about the same as former processors we've had in the past. We've been quite pleased with their performance so far...and as you say they seem to have a good reputation going for them.

I should point out - this thread wasn't intended solely to bash CCBill or denegrate their value as a processor. I'm sure they do a very good job for some of their clients who closely observe their TOS and abide by all their regulations.

But rather, I posted mainly to open a discussion about it all and give a heads-up to those of you (like us) who aren't able to constantly monitor 24/7 the content of every link you currently have on your sites.

OG LennyT · 03-25-2006, 10:41 AM

I think the picture will be much clearer after the Phoenix Forum : )

Bansheelinks · 03-25-2006, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Yeah, they seem to convert about the same as former processors we've had in the past. We've been quite pleased with their performance so far...and as you say they seem to have a good reputation going for them.

I've looked at that concept before, ticketsclub, and if you study the Verotel Pro option, you don't seem to be getting all that much for the price you pay, imo.

NKYKev · 03-25-2006, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

I've looked at that concept before, ticketsclub, and if you study the Verotel Pro option, you don't seem to be getting all that much for the price you pay, imo.

Paying $1500 up front and $30 a month in fees for Verotel Pro to still be charged 14% on a transaction, when TicketsClub charges the same and is free, is slightly less than appealing. Verotel also charges $1250 to integrate to their API for doing PPV, while Paycom allows it for free and CCBill lets its customers use their token system for free. Verotel is great for basic membership processing, but their advanced options are not very appealing as of right now.

cash4 · 03-25-2006, 04:15 PM

so how come ccbill still processes for sites like "Blood Bitches"? Do they just pick and choose who they want to ban?

woj · 03-25-2006, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quantum-x

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...m+porn&spell=1

4th link. You have been warned.

wow, that can't be real, is it?

AmeliaG · 03-28-2006, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

WTF???? Cannibalism?????

Who does cannibalism sites?

That's a new one.

Some of my girls have shot with these guys. Apparently their day jobs are as food photographers and the stuff they use for these shoots smells really good.

Phoenix · 03-28-2006, 09:59 AM

play by the rules and you should be fine

Choppa · 03-30-2006, 12:49 AM

yeah rock on ccbill

doug is a great guy from there

great at airport pickups in the ccbill limo bus

Brujah · 03-30-2006, 02:25 AM

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5. Bloodletting or Bloodshed. Consumption of Blood. (Webmasters note! The blood rule can affect your linking to vampire fetish, goth fetish, and horror movie fetish sites!)

Interesting. Almost all of the goth sites are CCBill sites. I bet you they're not all in compliance with this. The vampire fetish is all over the big movie sites especially.

The Other Steve · 03-30-2006, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choppa

yeah rock on ccbill

doug is a great guy from there

great at airport pickups in the ccbill limo bus

What hope has this industry got when some people will be your friend for live just because you gave them a lift from the airport.

Brujah · 03-30-2006, 09:32 PM

This would make AEBN off-limits for example wouldn't it? HotMovies.com, etc.. any of the video sales sites too that sell the vampire / goth dvds?

Hinc · 04-04-2006, 04:28 AM

Yeah seems so indeed.

celandina · 10-20-2006, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Edward R. Murrow:
We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

I have read this whole thread and find it ABSOLUTELY amazing as how many porn guys here are saying in essence: "My porn is good, so let the Ayatollahs at CCBill ban the bad porn". There is NO selection or judgment at CCBill just some computer (or some Mullah) looking at the stuff. The ONLY sane comment here is from someone who said that CCBill would not process most Hollywood movies...That is quite correct. Of course they are scared by the attacks from your Congress and they are NO Hollywood... BUT wait they ( the US lawmakers) are coming for you soon too... and there will not be anybody left to defend you!!

Sebastian Sands · 10-20-2006, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celandina

I have read this whole thread and find it ABSOLUTELY amazing as how many porn guys here are saying in essence: "My porn is good, so let the Ayatollahs at CCBill ban the bad porn". There is NO selection or judgment at CCBill just some computer (or some Mullah) looking at the stuff. The ONLY sane comment here is from someone who said that CCBill would not process most Hollywood movies...That is quite correct. Of course they are scared by the attacks from your Congress and they are NO Hollywood... BUT wait they ( the US lawmakers) are coming for you soon too... and there will not be anybody left to defend you!!

So your sites got turned down?.. I thought you said you READ the thread?...

Sebastian

Mike AI · 10-20-2006, 12:53 PM

I applaud CCBill for their efforts!

longdongsilver · 10-20-2006, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cash4

so how come ccbill still processes for sites like "Blood Bitches"? Do they just pick and choose who they want to ban?

anyone from ccbill going to answer this? Do the rules apply to all?

Also do you get a warning and a chance to remove your link from sites that violate the tos? i mean some sites may have hundreds of links to other sites, how would one be expected to know that a site 2 or 3 links away is now violating? a warning and a chance to fix is essential.

corvette · 10-20-2006, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longdongsilver

anyone from ccbill going to answer this? Do the rules apply to all?

Also do you get a warning and a chance to remove your link from sites that violate the tos? i mean some sites may have hundreds of links to other sites, how would one be expected to know that a site 2 or 3 links away is now violating? a warning and a chance to fix is essential.

yes

we work with our clients as much as we can, however, there are things that we absolutely will not process for. So the answer is that it depends on the situation

Processors getting shut down for content issues has not been uncommon in this industries history. If you are in this business for the long-term, you don?t want to go with a processor that takes risks with their merchant account.

fucter · 10-20-2006, 02:35 PM

whats the big deal with bodily functions ie urinating and menstration? Med students are forced to see much worse.

L-Pink · 10-20-2006, 02:50 PM

I assume my local cinema will not accept Visa for these films?

Or allow me to charge for my newspaper that has their paid ads.

baddog · 10-20-2006, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

WTF???? Cannibalism?????

That is the one that stood out for me too. I hope my membership doesn't lapse now.

L-Pink · 10-20-2006, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

That is the one that stood out for me too. I hope my membership doesn't lapse now.

Have you been eating your g/f again?

L-Pink · 10-20-2006, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guitar Riff

Here is the simple solution if you don't like their rules then get the fuck out and dont use em simple see how many other processors ya have to use not too many that have remained above water. So whether ya like it or you don't CCBill is in the drivers seat so to speak. Just quit bitchin LOL

Lighten up ....

TreasureBucks · 10-20-2006, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Did you even read the list? Much of it on there is perfectly legal in North America - and there's no justification of why they won't process for it. It comes down to their own anal subjective prudeness.

of which they are entitled to.

Rui · 10-20-2006, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diesel

Every move they make is to keep the business safe, clean and honest.

Agreed.

Looks like a clever move on CCbill's part

03-24-2006, 08:14 PM	#51
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03-24-2006, 08:19 PM	#52
lyn1 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 429	Fuck. CCBill will have to get rid of Met-Art as my site doesn't comply and I have Met-art all over it. I bet the rules change when it's a biggy like Met-art. I don't know about you guys but CCbills affiliate site is a crock of shit to use. Sooooooooooo slow, it must have been scripted by a moron and I have a monstrously fast download connection. Lyn from Oz PS. I don't have that site in my sig. __________________ www.literarymetro.com - Erotic literature community - Join and be involved or commission erotic story's for your website from our writing panel.

03-24-2006, 08:28 PM	#53
Guitar Riff Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: USA Posts: 320	Here is the simple solution if you don't like their rules then get the fuck out and dont use em simple see how many other processors ya have to use not too many that have remained above water. So whether ya like it or you don't CCBill is in the drivers seat so to speak. Just quit bitchin LOL __________________ Buy and Sell Your Traffic to US!!

03-24-2006, 08:34 PM	#54
Kard63 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 237 619 975 Posts: 8,944	I like some of that perverted shit. __________________

03-24-2006, 08:46 PM	#58
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03-24-2006, 08:34 PM	#55
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I like my processor to be conservative, bravo ccbill. Also bdsm is not protected speech havent you been following the supreme court turning down a case involving bdsm.

03-25-2006, 05:48 AM	#61
NKYKev Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 283	Silent Knight: It is unfortunate that your point has seemed to escape so many responders. While it is totally understandable that CCBill, or any other processor, would want to avoid legal issues, the subjectivity involved in judging whether the content on a particular site might violate these rules makes it impossible for a webmaster to know whether you are complying with them or not. For example, no person to person watersports is pretty easy to understand, but "extreme pain" or "extreme beating" means what, exactly? While drawing blood with a flogging is clearly a violation of these rules, what else is extreme - is reddening the skin extreme, or does it require evidence of bruising, just as an example? As you stated, barring joining the site, how can you judge the nature of the content it has? In practice, what it appears that CCBill is saying is that every single BDSM site you want to exchange links with needs to be cleared by them first before you link to it, or you risk losing your processing with them. I guess this is why they won't directly answer the questions you asked.

03-25-2006, 07:23 AM	#63
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	Everyone has opinions as to what is morally acceptable, about freedom of speech and the like. But such opinions are totally irrelevant within a business context. In that context, CCBill creating rules is no different than a paper supplier deciding to sell only blue paper. It is however relevant that such subjective rules, rules which are likely to evolve in application while remaining unchanged in their wording, put every single program that processes through CCB in the position that at any time it may no longer be able to accept payments. Such vulnerability means at the very least that no-one should process solely through CCB. It is always extremely poor business to depend on any single company or individual for a key function and that is compounded in this instance because, short of not dealing with anyone except surfers, it is practically impossible to have clean hands. It isn't just that the nature of the Internet is such that sites are linked to other sites, so that whether an unacceptable link is one hop away or ten, we all have unacceptable links if we have any links at all. The biggest problem is that the 'Net is dynamic, constantly changing and much of it is automated. Thus my links might be totally clean this morning, but by afternoon an unacceptable site may be only a couple of hops away. There is no practical way to ensure that never happens. One would hope that CCB recognize this reality and work with their clients to resolve issues in this area. After all, it is simple enough to ask someone to remove offending links and check for compliance. But it is dangerous to assume that they will never act peremptorily. In the wider context, we need to hope that more workable payment solutions will appear so that, like someone buying paper, we have a broader choice of suppliers. But what is under our own control is that we need to wake up to the fact that we are in business and that there is no room for cowboys. It is all very well to come over all self-righteous about issues like this, but there are thousands and thousands of sites which push boundaries far more liberal than CCB's. And they are all hooked into the mainstream because someone turns a blind eye to the future for the sake of an extra signup or a little extra traffic today.

03-25-2006, 07:48 AM	#64
FetishTom Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 341	Always amazes me how a thread such as this brings out the smug gits who are happily sitting in the 'VISA loves me and my sites so fuck you jack' and seem incapable of dealing with a valid query regarding linkage to sites and responsibility of the webmaster for said links and how it may impact on their business. So to all the 'quit bitchin' posts - contribute something useful or fuck off to another thread

03-25-2006, 08:28 AM	#66
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03-25-2006, 08:33 AM	#67
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	CCbill may be going a little over the top and it will require a lot of work on webmasters parts to ensure that their sites comply. But i would rather we as an industry police ourselves than have the government set up some sort of policing system for us ? There are some big issues out there such as the .XXX TLD which is about to explode very soon....

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cash4 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7	they are such hypocrits so how come ccbill still processes for sites like "Blood Bitches"? Do they just pick and choose who they want to ban? __________________ [IMG][/IMG] Last edited by cash4; 03-25-2006 at 04:17 PM..

03-28-2006, 09:59 AM	#83
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03-30-2006, 12:49 AM	#84
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03-30-2006, 09:32 PM	#87
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	This would make AEBN off-limits for example wouldn't it? HotMovies.com, etc.. any of the video sales sites too that sell the vampire / goth dvds? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

04-04-2006, 04:28 AM	#88
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10-20-2006, 12:53 PM	#91
Mike AI Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Elysian Fields Posts: 3,624	I applaud CCBill for their efforts! __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

10-20-2006, 02:35 PM	#94
fucter Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 55	whats the big deal with bodily functions ie urinating and menstration? Med students are forced to see much worse.

10-20-2006, 02:50 PM	#95
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	I assume my local cinema will not accept Visa for these films? Or allow me to charge for my newspaper that has their paid ads.