Judas didn't snitch on Jesus...he did as Jesus asked (LINK)

[Young]

its all hogwash and fables if you ask me...but still interesting....

Judas did as Jesus asked ? 'gospel' reveals the other face of a traitor
By Dalya Alberge, Arts Correspondent
FOR 2,000 years, his name has been synonymous with treachery and deceit, but Judas may finally have received some divine justice.

A papyrus manuscript discovered in the Egyptian desert was hailed yesterday as an authenticated copy of the lost Gospel of Judas ? revealing that, far from betraying Jesus, Judas Iscariot sacrificed himself for his master.

The ancient Coptic manuscript, dated scientifically to the 3rd or 4th century, was unveiled as the only known surviving copy of Judas?s Gospel and one of the most important finds in biblical archaeology.

Having been conserved and translated, it is said to offer a radical new insight into a man whom history has painted as the ultimate villain. Unlike the accounts in the New Testament gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, in which Judas is portrayed as a traitor, this gospel portrays him as the disciple closest to Jesus.

Having studied the rediscovered gospel, experts said that its text suggested that, by helping Jesus to get rid of his physical flesh, Judas had helped to liberate the true spiritual self.

They pointed to a passage in which Jesus tells Judas: ?You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me.?

Elsewhere, Jesus warns Judas that he will be despised for his actions: ?You will be cursed by the other generations.?

The manuscript has divided scholars and church leaders, although most of them have yet to see it. Craig Evans, Payzant Distinguished Professor of New Testament at Acadia Divinity College in Wolfville, Nova Scotia, said: ?The Gospel turns Judas?s act of betrayal into an act of obedience. The sacrifice of Jesus?s body of flesh in fact becomes saving. And so for that reason, Judas emerges as the champion and ends up being envied and even cursed and resented by the other disciples.?

Marvin Meyer, Grist Professor of Bible and Christian Studies and director of the Albert Schweitzer Institute at Chapman University, California, said: ?The text provides the opportunity to evaluate, and perhaps re-evaluate, the historical role of a figure who has been much maligned within Christianity and has been a prominent figure in the development of anti-Semitism.?

But Simon Gathercole, a New Testament expert at the University of Aberdeen, said: ?The so-called Gospel of Judas is certainly an ancient text, but not ancient enough to tell us anything new. It contains religious themes which are completely alien to the 1st-century world of Jesus and Judas, but which did become popular later, in the 2nd century. An analogy would be finding a speech claiming to be written by Queen Victoria, in which she talked about The Lord of the Rings and her CD collection.?

James Catford, chief executive of the Bible Society, said: ?It may yield some interesting insights, but there?s nothing here to undermine what Christians have believed throughout the centuries.?

He added that academics generally believed that the four gospels included in the Bible, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, were all written within decades of Jesus?s death and that the Gospel of Judas was written between 130 and 170, ?long after the real Judas lived?.

The rediscovered text is thought to have been copied down about AD300, but the first known reference to a gospel of Judas was about AD180, when Irenaeus, an early Christian bishop, denounced it as heretical. He declared that, of the many gospels circulating at that time, just four should be recognised ? those of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The Coptic manuscript of the Judas gospel has deteriorated so badly over the past 30 years that it took many years to conserve and translate its text. The National Geographic Society, the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art and the Waitt Institute for Historical Discovery have been part of an international effort to restore and authenticate it.

The story of the Gospel of Judas will be told by the National Geographic Channel on Sunday, April 9

FOUND IN TRANSLATION
# The Coptic manuscript was found in the 1970s in the desert near El Minya, Egypt

# It comprises 26 pages written on 13 sheets of papyrus

# The manuscript passed through several antiquities traders before ending up in America, where it languished in a safe-deposit box in New York for 16 years

# Six years ago it was bought by by Frieda Nussberger-Tchacos, an antiquities dealer in Zurich

[Young]

closed out the window before i could get the source...so if you want it copy and paste some of that text into google news.

[Ycaza]

There is a dead sea scroll, found in the 50's which backs this perspective. Judas was the lone member of an ultra disciplined gnostic group. People that had essentially been preparing the way for the christ. Judas was at heart a a soldier and it has been said he was no more capable of treachery than the best marine. If you learn anything about judas this becomes the only sensible explanation. The church may want to appear infallible, but man has long manipulated doctrine and the truth to suit other purposes. Should you wish to know more there is a copy of the scroll that has been published as a book with the title "Mission"

[Young]

Originally Posted by Ycaza

There is a dead sea scroll, found in the 50's which backs this perspective. Judas was the lone member of an ultra disciplined gnostic group. People that had essentially been preparing the way for the christ. Judas was at heart a a soldier and it has been said he was no more capable of treachery than the best marine. If you learn anything about judas this becomes the only sensible explanation. The church may want to appear infallible, but man has long manipulated doctrine and the truth to suit other purposes. Should you wish to know more there is a copy of the scroll that has been published as a book with the title "Mission"

interesting....might have to check it out.

[pornguy]

Check out the Hyram Key, if you want some good reading, and eye opening research about Jesus, and a few other things.

[Young]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Check out the Hyram Key, if you want some good reading, and eye opening research about Jesus, and a few other things.

just read the review. might have to pick this up. im a recovering catholic...sounds like my type of book.

[GatorB]

Yeah I saw something on the History Channel or something on Jesus a couple of years ago that came to the same conclusion. Jesus wanted to be a martyr so he secretly( meaning the other 11 disciples didn't know ) asked Judas to go tell the Romans where to find him. The 30 pieces of sivler were to pay for lack of a better term the "bounty hunters" at the time to come get him, as what was how it worked back then. Judas still felt guilty about doing what he did even though Jesus asked him to so that's why he killed himself.

[Aly]

Originally Posted by Ycaza

There is a dead sea scroll, found in the 50's which backs this perspective. Judas was the lone member of an ultra disciplined gnostic group. People that had essentially been preparing the way for the christ. Judas was at heart a a soldier and it has been said he was no more capable of treachery than the best marine. If you learn anything about judas this becomes the only sensible explanation. The church may want to appear infallible, but man has long manipulated doctrine and the truth to suit other purposes. Should you wish to know more there is a copy of the scroll that has been published as a book with the title "Mission"

Thanks! Of course, there is also the potential of:
"He told me to do it, really he did! Everyone else is lying! D\Please don't hate me for the rest of recorded time!" lol..

[Young]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Yeah I saw something on the History Channel or something on Jesus a couple of years ago that came to the same conclusion. Jesus wanted to be a martyr so he secretly( meaning the other 11 disciples didn't know ) asked Judas to go tell the Romans where to find him. The 30 pieces of sivler were to pay for lack of a better term the "bounty hunters" at the time to come get him, as what was how it worked back then. Judas still felt guilty about doing what he did even though Jesus asked him to so that's why he killed himself.

that sounds extremely plausible. kind of like what that nut zacharia or whatever is doing sabatoging his trial in order to recieve the death penalty.

ya i know...bad comparison...jesus and a terrorist but i didn't mean it like that.

[Vasago Reno]

Uh-oh...reading involved.

[alec]

Wow, I enjoyed reading that one.

[Taboo]

fyi, full story on Sunday April 9 on National Geographic Channel:
"Gospel of Judas" 8PM est
the discovery & restoration process was partly funded by NG.

[maxxx_fucktor]

Originally Posted by Taboo

fyi, full story on Sunday April 9 on National Geographic Channel:
"Gospel of Judas" 8PM est
the discovery & restoration process was partly funded by NG.

I shouldn't be missing this one..

[2HousePlague]

Judas Cheers

If the wind alone can bring
the certainty of smoke
to the question of a fire,
I imagine there's a way
the future reaches back a hand
to touch us, who aspire.

And every lucky boy and girl,
who gets a whiff of destiny
(and acts accordingly),
must seem to Them a prophet, then,
for shockingly distinguishing
a plainly present fact.

In other words, to Act
(to live a private truth,
to Choose and be alone),
is infinitely venial
when Fathomless Necessity
compels you to the bone.

2hp

[Michaelious]

we will never know yet but interesting stuff

[Manowar]

it's all bullshit anyway

[Taboo]

Originally Posted by Taboo

fyi, full story on Sunday April 9 on National Geographic Channel:
"Gospel of Judas" 8PM est
the discovery & restoration process was partly funded by NG.

FYI, it starts in a few minutes @ 8PM, repeating @ 10PM est

TIVO!

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[vvq]

lol nevermind..