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Old 04-18-2006, 12:04 PM   #51
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50 Mexicans...........
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Old 04-18-2006, 12:10 PM   #52
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IMO the argument ends at the word "illegal". They ARE ILLEGAL immigrants.
Way to look at the big picture.

For a leftie you spout right wing rhetoric very well.

Boston is full of illegal Irish.
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Old 04-18-2006, 12:10 PM   #53
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I don't see why, they take all the jobs no one wants.
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Old 04-18-2006, 12:15 PM   #54
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IMO the argument ends at the word "illegal". They ARE ILLEGAL immigrants.
Great logic there... so if a law was passed making all adult sites "illegal"... you would use the same argument? "Adult sites are illegal, time to close shop, case closed..."?
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Old 04-18-2006, 12:24 PM   #55
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I don't see why, they take all the jobs no one wants.
And Fox News says that companies can't get Americans to do those jobs at even twice the pay but have failed to find one company that has actually tried paying more for these jobs.

You're right. Americans don't want to be roofers for $8 an hour because that keeps them below the poverty level in the USA. Paying them $12 an hour will probably get Americans working and allow them to support a family but we're not willing to try that.
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Old 04-18-2006, 12:29 PM   #56
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A lot of the assurtions in this thread are wrong.

My old college roommate works for homeland security. Meaning he's arresting, and deporting them all day long. So let's start with a few of the misconceptions shall we..

They do pay social security, and taxes.
Wrong. Most do not. However there are a number of them that use stolen SSN's and deceased people's. The IRS knows this, but since the money's coming into the coffers, they do not complain. Also there is no agency cooperation to catch these. However, they are the except to the argement "they pay" not the rule.

They do not collect unemployment, or other state/fed benefits..

Wrong. They have their children over here. Making them a citizen. They collect social security on their children. El Paso for example has thousands of P.O. boxes for a town that could not possibly use them all. Why? Because the illegals checks come to the P.O. box, and they walk across the border to collect their checks, then walk back.

Also once they have kids here. When the kid turns 18, they fill out a paper, and TADA, parents are now legal as well.

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And Fox News says that companies can't get Americans to do those jobs at even twice the pay but have failed to find one company that has actually tried paying more for these jobs.

You're right. Americans don't want to be roofers for $8 an hour because that keeps them below the poverty level in the USA. Paying them $12 an hour will probably get Americans working and allow them to support a family but we're not willing to try that.
yea, that sounds great, so you mean after they all get kicked out, I will have to pay $15k to get my roof fixed instead of $10k, sounds like a great deal... where do I go vote to get them all kicked out?
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Old 04-18-2006, 12:42 PM   #58
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A lot of the assurtions in this thread are wrong.

My old college roommate works for homeland security. Meaning he's arresting, and deporting them all day long. So let's start with a few of the misconceptions shall we..

They do pay social security, and taxes.
Wrong. Most do not. However there are a number of them that use stolen SSN's and deceased people's. The IRS knows this, but since the money's coming into the coffers, they do not complain. Also there is no agency cooperation to catch these. However, they are the except to the argement "they pay" not the rule.

They do not collect unemployment, or other state/fed benefits..

Wrong. They have their children over here. Making them a citizen. They collect social security on their children. El Paso for example has thousands of P.O. boxes for a town that could not possibly use them all. Why? Because the illegals checks come to the P.O. box, and they walk across the border to collect their checks, then walk back.

Also once they have kids here. When the kid turns 18, they fill out a paper, and TADA, parents are now legal as well.

How can they collect social security if they have no number and have never paid into the system?

Where does your friend work?
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Old 04-18-2006, 12:52 PM   #59
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How can they collect social security if they have no number and have never paid into the system?

Where does your friend work?
They pay into stolen, or deceased people's SSN's. When they pay at all.

They (illegals) do not collect social security. The children are the one's who receive the aid via state and federal programs.

He works out of the Detroit office of Homeland Security. Although he also at times has to work in other areas, he's based there.

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Old 04-18-2006, 01:03 PM   #60
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They pay into stolen, or deceased people's SSN's. When they pay at all.

They (illegals) do not collect social security. The children are the one's who receive the aid via state and federal programs.

He works out of the Detroit office of Homeland Security. Although he also at times has to work in other areas, he's based there.

And when they pay into fake or stolen numbers they don't get money back. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal for social security.

Detroit? Must be tough having to keep all those Canadians out. WTF does he know about Mexico working in Detroit?

You don't think American citizens should be allowed rights and benefits if their parents are Mexican? What state and federal programs are they abusing? Wouldn't that be a problem with the welfare system, not immigration?
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