GigoloJustin

Did a long time ago. Who's that fighting in your sig? Looks like they got seriously fucked up!

RogerV

I got like 3 sales from that mailing. why am I shut off I removed Shap

GigoloJustin

I was trying to protect your idenity. You just blew it.

xNetworx

Randleman vs. Fedor .... Fedor actually survived that slam and won the fight

RogerV

will I still get paid for my 3 sales

Mr. Soul

550 emails in 10 minutes to a webmaster list, obvious joe job. The BP link is down already. Traffic Gigolos pissed off a small time proxy spammer, probably for terming his original account for USE violations.

Matt Frackas

At 7:41pm I forwarded one of the spams to [email protected]
I got that email address from this thread. Anybody receive?

FYI
** I had been getting those emails for HOURS today ***
I came on GFY to see if any other people were experiencing the same thing I was experiencing....I did a search, I saw several threads ...I didnt want to start a new thread only to BERATED for (oh where were you 3 months ago? yada yada yada)

Sorry for what?

- Matt

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Deraj

The funny thing is... if this so called email were to be sent to ANY one of our employees.. this would have been investigated and dealt with in an orderly fashion. We do not tolerate spam and certainly would not put up with it to gain a few extra joins. Perhaps you should try again and hit SEND =)

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vvq

Thanks to everyone that reported this. Obvious joe job. A few other programs got hit by the same guy. We've done what we can.

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HAPPYPEEKERS

TG are all very very good people.. I am an affiliate and I have gotten no emails..

Must be a big mistake.. they are not like that..

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Matt Frackas

I thought you guys wanted this thread to die
LOL

Now you're calling me a liar
Ill tell ya what ...lets get about 5 NEUTRAL PARTIES ...and I can FORWARD the EMAIL AGAIN to ALL 5 and see if they get it.

GAME ON?

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Deraj

We have absolutely nothing to hide.. who cares if this thread is still around.

I didn't call you a liar persay, perhaps you had the incorrect email address

And just to entertain me, what the FUCK would forwarding email to 5 neutral parties prove?

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Matt Frackas

[email protected]

Is this valid?

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vvq

That's my email address. I got your email. Thank you for reporting it. We've done what we can.

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sweetsally

these days, if i create an email account, close it, and directly re-open it, i have spam.. not from traffic gigolos though, just spam

Matt Frackas

Great, that was EASY!
Thanks for the nice response.
Maybe the other Traffic Gigolo "Deraj" could use a lesson in "Public Relations" ?

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WEGCash Robert

I have to say that traffic gigolos are great guys! They have always been good to me.

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Matt Frackas

yeah and Silvercash was good to me as well when I was promoting them.

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Deraj

I never said i was a nice guy ;)

I think some things are better off dealt with off of the boards if there is a problem. It would have been very simple to ICQ any one of us and state your complaint rather than bump an old thread blabbing about. If you then would not have gotten a response, I could see the reasoning behind it.

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Deraj

How are ya man? You know that the Gigolos luvs us some SilverCash too =)

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Manowar

getting tons of spam recently, from everywhere

Matt Frackas

Yesterday was busy day for me, those spams were annoying for long period of time.
I explained my reasoning for handling it the way I did.
I will accept responsiblity that YES I could have taken MORE TIME to INVESTIGATE and contact you guys directly. Sorry.

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Deraj

Dude.. my old email addy.. i was getting MADD spam in there.. pissed me off. I think someones aff proggie was hacked some time back or something

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Deraj

Shit happens man.. I appologize if I came off as an asshole, that was not my intentions, but I get defensive about spam shit. There is allot of it going around, and don't like when someone drops the bomb on us. We have thousands of affiliates and it is difficult to always be on top of things. Forwarding the emails to us is a tremendous help and will never be ignored by any member of our staff.

Best Regards!

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Matt Frackas

Agreed....difficult to always be on top of things.

Thanks

Take it easy.

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killspammerz

This is my first post, and I'm going to be as diplomatic as possible.

The only way I have EVER HEARD of the company "Traffic Gigolos" is due to rampant, non-stop spam, which continues to arrive in several of my addresses every week or so, predominantly those I registered with yahoo.

In my opinion: you are all well aware of this rampant spamming but have an attitude of "well we can't do much about that can we?"

Under CAN-SPAM: if an affiliate spams on your behalf - you can and will be held responsible.

It is your JOB to police your affiliates. When people complain to you about the spam, you should DO SOMETHING about it. It's your company's responsibility to enforce your zero spam policy. Your agreements should be legally binding enough that if a spamming affiliate continues to spam, or (worse) joe-jobs you after you terminate him, you can (and most definitely should) sue this idiot for libelling your company's name.

In my opinion: Traffic Gigolos exists solely as an outlet for reckless, illegal spammers. The most recent spam run featured one of my yahoo addresses as the from and reply to. How did they get that address when I've given it out to precisely NOBODY?!

I notice some so-called representatives from Traffic Gigolos posting on this board about how they're always cancelling spammers' accounts, and yet I, and numerous others, continually receive the spam for that company's sites.

It's illegal
It's damaging any hope of this company having a good reputation.
I don't want it to continue
I want this board and its community to DO SOMETHING about this. Not just shrug and talk about how hard it is when you have "thousands" of affiliates. IT'S YOUR JOB!

Not one of you takes this issue seriously. It's obvious from the tone of the conversation in these threads. I expect a great deal of abuse from a batch of you but it doesn't change the fact that you are all doing an abysmal job of tightening the reins on your own industry.

If you don't want a bad reputation, and most importantly if you don't wish to be fined into oblivion once enough people complain about all of this to the FTC as I have, you should get off your asses and start thinking about how to tighten up your affiliate programs.

Doesn't Traffic Gigolos have any kind of trial or monitoring period for their affiliates? They should. Only once an affiliate has proven that they're spam free should they ever be allowed to get paid in the first place. I know those kinds of non-spamming affiliates exist (I just can't seem to find any who represent sites for Traffic Gigolos)

As an aside: I have absolutely no interest in adult websites. I never have. I just continue to receive these bullshit spam messages, and then get no response whatsoever when complaining about it to Traffic Gigolos. Numerous other companies have been VERY responsive when these complaints come in. Why the hell isn't Traffic Gigolos doing anything about their obvious spam problem?

This thread has been around since May. You all complained when it was brought up again in August. Here I am in October.

That's a month to month spam problem. It never stops from this company. Your affiliate program is broken. Fix it!

JD

holy phantom bump batman!!

killspammerz

Yes. Which is due to the fact that THEY'RE STILL SPAMMING!

And Traffic Gigolos IS DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT!

I don't care that it's been bumped. It was bumped for a reason. Nobody on this board seems to care that lots of people never asked for this crap, and yet we continue to get it, despite complaining to them directly about it. Now that my own email address, one I have shared with NOBODY, has been abused by this porn spammer (an industry I have absolutely no interest in) I have had enough, and so here I am.

If you want this thread to go away: STOP YOUR GODDAMN SPAMMERS!

NaughtyAce

LOL that's a great idea...

The traffic gigolo guys are stand up guys.. good to see they don't stand for this shit.

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GigoloJustin

Bump for killspammerz.

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this is why program owners should review each affil application, not have automatic signup

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killspammerz

Stand up guys. Right. Who don't respond to ANY complaints. Who don't grab ANY of the reins on their stupid spamming affiliates. Who ignore REPEATED, LONG-STANDING requests to shut down their stupid fucking spammers.

That sounds just totally commendable doesn't it?

One day, someone in this industry is going to go to jail for this crap. Porn industry is bad enough in my books but the fact that NONE OF YOU CARE that this is just a bad way of doing business makes no sense at all to me.

When will someone address this problem on these forums?

GigoloJustin

Who are you sending these emails too? Why don't you drop me a message on icq or email me at [email protected]. I want to see these emails you claim you are getting.

GigoloJustin

Oh Man! You guys have got to check this out !

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/670918-traffic-gigolos-giving-mad-prizes-1000-thread.html

killspammerz

I sent every single complaint this year to all of the addresses except for sales@.

You should already have that email now, including the complete headers and the contents of the message, plus a breakdown of each of the URLs to make it easier to tell who is spamming using my email address.

I sent today's complaint at approx. noon today eastern time. Your response to me, here, in this forum, is the first I have ever heard from ANYONE at your company.

I have also complained to you in similar detail on Sept. 14th, July 17th, May 10th, March 16th and March 4th of this year, all for similar spams, all with no response from anyone. I had also complained at least 12 more times in 2005 for the same spamming. I logged every single complaint with you, and sent a copy to the FTC and several other authorities. Nothing has changed.

killspammerz

I see even exposing the rampant spamming here will do nothing so I'm going to work directly with law enforcement until this fuckhead spammer is caught and then sue him for abuse of personal data.

You and your goddamn spammers should be ashamed. If getting law enforcement involved is the only way to get your attention and actually do something about this is the only way then so be it.

I emailed you AGAIN with the exact same data I sent before. I received no response. Meantime this spammer is getting paid by you and you continue to profit from him at the expense of my reputation and personal information being abused. This is completely unacceptable in any industry, but I certainly hope it puts a huge black spot on the porn affiliate industry. If you can't police yourselves then you get exactly what you deserve. I'm sick of complaining to morons who ignore the issues I'm complaining about. So are several dozen other people I know who've received the exact same spam from your company.

Traffic Gigolos ARE the worst spammers around, and they totally do not care.

V_RocKs

word....

vvq

Quit using a fake nick to try and cause drama.

We do NOT accept mail traffic. I personally investigate every single complaint and take action as needed. If you have a legitimate complaint please forward it to me. [email protected] But I'm guessing you're just fucking around trying to stir shit up.

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fuck off, surfer

killspammerz

Then how come you have NEVER RESPONDED TO MY FUCKING EMAILS YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!

I am not merely here trying to "stir shit up." I have sent ALL OF YOU the same complaint via email, and as I mentioned above I have done so NUMEROUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR!

I'll tell you what how about you just answer to the FTC, who are monitoring this discussion as we speak. Failure to stop this goddamn spammer is going to affect your company, Traffic gigolos, Directly in the courtroom. Under CAN-SPAM legislation, you cannot simply say "we can't control our rogue affiliates". That is your goddamn job. Under CAN-SPAM law, the FTC can investigate your company based on the evidence I and several others have provided them, and they can verify that - hey guess what? - your company not only failed to stop the spamming, you also never responded to any of my numerous complaints, and then you stated in this forum - the only place I've been able to get your fucking attention - that I am bluffing.

I have said ALL OF THIS to you in many of the emails I sent to ALL OF YOU, as I mentioned above. I received absolutely no reply. Now you're claiming I don't even have a legitimate complaint.

I have evidence of all of these spam messages dating back over a year and you're telling me that I'm just "here to stir shit up." You are in for a very rude awakening when your company has to face federal fines for not stopping this abuse.

The reason I use an alias on this goddamn forum should be fucking obvious to you. You're spammers. Why would I ever divulge a single piece of genuine personal identification to any of you here. You have my emails, from the real address that was spammed and continues to be spammed. So do all of your other affiliate representatives. This has changed nothing. Fuck you all.

I am copying every single posting from this thread and including it in my evidence to the FTC and the New York Attorney General. Trust me when I tell you: they make a difference. Together they have been responsible for shutting down numerous companies just like yours when they fail to stop spamming. You can insult me all you like. It doesn't change the fact that you are spammers, and you won't stop spamming, and that the mountain of evidence I have against you will be used against you in a court of law to get your criminal spamming operation under control by any means necessary.

You think I'm just "here to stir shit up"?! Fuck you.

I am not stopping this complaint. Two full years of spam from your company - evidenced by NUMEROUS OTHERS on this fucking thread - should be plenty of evidence against you. But when you couple it with the numerous examples of spam, including the tracking down of all the affiliate ID's and other evidence associated with the spam runs, as well as all the faked headers and failure to comply with everything CAN-SPAM is there to protect people like me against: your company is going down. I don't care if it takes years. I'm not stopping this.

All of you others: you may not be spammers but you should never refer to anyone who simply dismisses these complaints as "a stand up guy." A stand up guy is someone who cares that a 10 year old could possibly get this crap. I never used that email address for anything. I never posted it publicly. I certainly never gave anyone permission to send me adult-related sites. Yet here is Traffic Gigolos, regularly abusing that address. They know nothing about me. They probably bought that address from someone who was disgruntled against some ISP or whatever. I have no idea. I don't care. It's MY ADDRESS! They do not have the legal right to spam it, and they CERTAINLY don't have the right to send it adult-related content. The last spam had the following subject line:

And the following message body:

I can't post any URLs in this forum but the end result was that it linked to the site My Asian Dreams dot com and had the page:

Which should have been enough info for anyone to track down the idiot who spammed me. Instead you claim that you "don't accept mail traffic." Well if that's the case WHY AREN'T YOU INVESTIGATING THIS INCIDENT?!?!

Not one line of this message, and not one other part of it, is CAN-SPAM compliant. In fact beyond that: it violates several federal obscenity laws. Apparently Traffic Giglos does not care about this, as evidenced by Mr. vvg's fabulous rebuttal.

Let's imagine you're a parent, and that your five year old just received this message. Your five year old's address has possibly just been created. You haven't even done anything with it yet. This is the first message that this five year old receives. I have evidence - strong evidence - that this kind of misuse of email addresses is taking place on behalf of Traffic Gigolos. And here they are trying to brush me off.

Saying that Traffic Giglos are stand up guys is like saying the taliban is a nice bunch to invite to dinner.

I request that someone from Traffic Gigolos contact me at the email address I have repeatedly emailed you from with this precise complaint. And if I hear one more brush off from this group, believe me you will be extremely sorry that you did so. How there can be any legitimacy in this business when you all gang up to cover each others' tracks like this is beyond me. This is a public record. Legally: it can be used against you. You should watch what happens when that takes place because it's pretty impressive.

Not impressed at all. You're all a bunch of criminals and you will one day learn a harsh lesson about ignoring legitimate complaints like mine.

SICK of your industry invading my inbox on a daily basis.

killspammerz

I would also like to add: Justin Embry (one of the so-called "stand up guys" you refer to) responded to one of my complaints by insulting me for doing so, calling me an "ignorant little bitch" and that he would "see you in hell" (Yes I kept a copy of that as well, the FTC has it also.)

That doesn't strike me as being very stand up of anyone, certainly not someone who cares about stopping their stupid illegal spammers.

killspammerz

So I finally (just now, in fact) got a response from Brian, claiming he was too busy or out of town on the weekend and could only get to this now. I could understand that except that he took the time to post here first and essentially call me a liar.

While I appreciate the response, that will not, in all likelihood stop the spamming from continuing on. I'll stop posting here for now but believe me the second I see another goddamn message promoting yet another Traffic Gigolos site: you will hear about it. I'm sure most of you don't care or think I'm just annoying. You will discover that I am someone you won't want to piss off in this manner.

Do something about your broken affiliate programs! 2 years of spam from your company says to the world that you are not serious about stopping it!

killspammerz

After some back and forth with Brian from Traffic Gigolos, I think it is crucial to underscore a key legal point which I think several of you may have missed in the past year or so. I'm posting this here as a service so that porn affiliate managers can be more aware of the legal facts regarding spamming affiliates.

In the most black and white terms: your spammers are equal to you in the eyes of the court.

If you have an affiliate program, and you allow anyone to sign up, and some of those affiliates spam: your company is responsible and can be prosecuted.

Here is evidence of this:

(I can't post urls so I have to get creative: )

visit oreilly dot net and then:

/pub/a/network/2005/04/29/spamkings.html?CMP=ILC-FV7511446129&ATT=1485

visit wired dot com and then:

/news/business/0,1367,51507,00.html

visit revenews dot com and then:

/wayneporter/archives/001716.html

The FTC among other authorities has very successfully prosecuted several affiliate programs in the US. Not just porn affiliate programs either. As recently as a few weeks ago a rogue refinancing spammer caused a major bank to be investigated for allowing spamming to lead to profit on their end. If your company is represented by a spamming affiliate, even if you do not know who they are: you are the one who goes to court. I am not making this up. It is the law.

DEFINITELY thought you people should be aware of this because it certainly appears that Brian among others was not.

I should clarify also: I don't care that porn is your business. It offends me personally as a subject but I don't care that that's how you make your money. What I do care about is that I continue to see porn spam from any affiliate program. Any program that loose deserves to be sued! The law has been extremely clear about this point and the lawsuits have been (at least I thought) very high profile once they were successfully able to show that the company was the one on the hook despite not having directly spammed themselves.

Don't rely on the defence that you, the actual company, are not the one spamming. If your affiliates spam: to the court, that equals you, and you will be prosecuted as such.

Thanx to Brian for bringing to light this misconception. If you do not know this about CAN-SPAM specifically, you are doomed to be sued by someone, successfully. Trust me when I say that that is not the method by which you want to learn the law.

Thought you should know.

Thanx to Brian and Traffic Gigolo for finally investigating. I hope this is helpful information for other affiliate managers out there.