Sponsors please STOP this THEFT (part#1) - GoFuckYourself.com

SmokeyTheBear · 05-15-2006, 02:06 PM

by now we are all well aware of these toolbars and trojans that rewrite pages with their ref codes..

If not ill explain a little.. there are many ways to do it , but lets say i hacked into gfy and altered the vbulletin database so when it displayed certain banners for say "TCG" it would add my webmaster ref code onto the end , randomly, only to third world ip's , ok maybe thats atricky example , but if you dont know what im talking about then you prob dont need to worry about it

Ok so we all know the problem exists , but im suprised more isn't being done to stop it..

Heres what sponsors can do to help.. and heres why you should be doing this..

When a good new sponsor comes onto the scene , many people notice better ratio's , some of this is due to the fact that these "trojans" and such havent had the time to signup to that sponsor yet so you arent getting "shaved" on your links to them..

Older / established sponsors ratios decline as more scammers rip off their affiliates and their affiliates move elsewhere..

So while you may notice a new "whale" , he might be a wolf in whales clothing

What can sponsors do about it.. ? look through your top 100 affiliates rferring urls or write a script and if you notice people making sales from other people's urls , you need to look into it..

Assure us you dont accept these practises , and that you do have security/staff in place to guard against such problems.. and if you dont , make plans to do so or watch as your affiliate base crumbles

JD · 05-15-2006, 02:14 PM

gay. looks like I'll have to script all my ref codes...

WiredGuy · 05-15-2006, 02:17 PM

I had a long talk with quite a few webmasters in Toronto this weekend about this, and I for one see stuff like this in my ratios. With enormous spikes in my signups with no changes to my traffic base, but yet joins are fluctuating by upwards of 75%. Its insane. I need this to stop asap.
WG

Phoenix · 05-15-2006, 02:21 PM

there are very large people making moves on this now

JD · 05-15-2006, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix

there are very large people making moves on this now

very large as in fat as shit?

After Shock Media · 05-15-2006, 02:23 PM

Yet another flaw in an open affiliate program.
Invite only is so looking that much better.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-15-2006, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

very large as in fat as shit?

yup , this is the new shave detector, he is paid in mcdonalds certificates for every scamming affiliate he finds, every sponsor needs one..

SmokeyTheBear · 05-15-2006, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Yet another flaw in an open affiliate program.
Invite only is so looking that much better.

these guys are smarter than that

lots of money to throw around to fake a name for themselves , im sure a few of them are reading this thread as wee speak and have several "sonofsam" style friends to back them up

, it just takes a few sneaky people working behind the scenes at different sponsors, and some guts..

I think many sponsors are afraid to disturb the whales even when they do look suspicious because all they see is an immediate drop in sales , but they dont see the whole picture..

Like if i had a whale who was stealing 10% of all my affiliates sales but i didnt realise that , all i would see is 400 sales going bye bye, when in reality they would just be credited to the real affiliates , and not vanish at all .

Manowar · 05-15-2006, 02:30 PM

Yep, the toolbars are so common now. Affiliates must be loosing millions every month to ref code stealers

JD · 05-15-2006, 02:35 PM

I'll pay 2k to anyone that can write me a toolbar like this.

j/k

Juilan · 05-15-2006, 02:37 PM

Truly believe that stealware/scumware is a growing problem. It seems the integrity of the sponsor is what is being tested.

After Shock Media · 05-15-2006, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

these guys are smarter than that

lots of money to throw around to fake a name for themselves , im sure a few of them are reading this thread as wee speak and have several "sonofsam" style friends to back them up

, it just takes a few sneaky people working behind the scenes at different sponsors, and some guts..

I think many sponsors are afraid to disturb the whales even when they do look suspicious because all they see is an immediate drop in sales , but they dont see the whole picture..

Like if i had a whale who was stealing 10% of all my affiliates sales but i didnt realise that , all i would see is 400 sales going bye bye, when in reality they would just be credited to the real affiliates , and not vanish at all .

I just figure it would be harder to hide in an invite only system. They may be able to get in, though typically with invite only it has a great deal less affiliates and you should be able to notice things faster and easier.

WiredGuy · 05-15-2006, 02:39 PM

And unfortunately all my major sponsors are taking an absolute nosedive.
WG

woj · 05-15-2006, 02:39 PM

True, and it's not very hard to detect this either, you could find the affiliates who get get signups with "stolen" traffic, with just some creative sql queries or some simple script...

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2006, 02:41 PM

I been saying this for years. But all the processors and webmasters say its not a problem at all. It is the number one reason why I will not deal in traffic or operate sites on the consumer end.

There have been way to many traffic jackings over the years one that comes to mind was Isearch and that whole Fiasco. There are many sublime app's out there just stealing traffic and re-writing affiliates codes.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2006, 02:44 PM

Whats funny is that some of them that use this scumware are infact GFY advertisers hiding behind a clandestine outfit behind the scenes.

Oh noes!

Theo · 05-15-2006, 02:45 PM

Need to check it out,but if you already know some companies/affiliates doign it and you do not want to post their info here you can email me. I would appreciate that.

JD · 05-15-2006, 02:49 PM

this might explain my horrid bangbros ratios....

05-15-2006, 03:00 PM

interesting read and .......

Quickdraw · 05-15-2006, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

And unfortunately all my major sponsors are taking an absolute nosedive.
WG

Which is even more reason the sponsors need to get on it ASAP.

They may think it's not their problem, but it boils right down to them.

YOU know how to get traffic.
THEY(scumware) know how to steal traffic.
When you stop sending traffic to the sponsor, the Scumware guys stop making money through you, (for that sponsor anyway). Then the sponsor wonders why all the heavy traffic hitters have moved away.

If the sponsor can stay proactive, they can keep their heavy hitters, and help eliminate the theft.

Unfortunately AlienQ hit it on the head.. Sometimes the sponsor themselves are responsible, but, one step at a time might get things going, and maybe, some of these other 'sponsors' will come out in the wash..

And again from what I have seen on this board, getting a sponsor around here to even think of adding the options that Smokey talks about, would be next to impossible.

tradermcduck · 05-15-2006, 03:18 PM

@SmokeyTheBear

Does mysite.com/intheviplink.php instead of http://www.inthevip.com/main.htm?id=myaffid help?

and thanks for an excellent thread

JD · 05-15-2006, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tradermcduck

@SmokeyTheBear

Does mysite.com/intheviplink.php instead of http://www.inthevip.com/main.htm?id=myaffid help?

and thanks for an excellent thread

i think so. fuck. I hope so

WiredGuy · 05-15-2006, 03:22 PM

btw Smokey, if you know of any installs/spyware/toolbars that are affecting the main sponsor you mentioned in the start of the thread, please let me know. If they're not willing to stop it, I'm willing to go after my lost sales. I can tell you its definitely in the high 5 figures based on my downward trend sales figures.
WG

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2006, 03:23 PM

Not just sponsors and Processors.

Host providers to...

WiredGuy · 05-15-2006, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tradermcduck

@SmokeyTheBear

Does mysite.com/intheviplink.php instead of http://www.inthevip.com/main.htm?id=myaffid help?

and thanks for an excellent thread

If these hijackers were good, I'd redirect traffic at the processor (ccbill / paycom) level instead of the affiliate programs. Otherwise, it would be alot easier to see hits being shaved since they'd never be tracked which doesn't seem to be the case.
WG

JD · 05-15-2006, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Not just sponsors and Processors.

Host providers to...

eh?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2006, 03:24 PM

WG - I do not even know why you would sit at a table with folks that hosted one of the internet's biggest traffic jacking scams...

WiredGuy · 05-15-2006, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

WG I do not even know why you would sit at a table with folks that hosted one of the internet's biggest traffic jacking scams...

I don't judge a hosting company based on its clients, but based on its performance and reliability. Now if isearch is jacking my traffic, please do contact me with some info about it (seriously).
WG

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2006, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

eh?

Not an error at all. WebAir proudly hosted Isearch when Porngraph was doing auto install's over night and day with Isearch. It stole millions of webmaster's traffic over night and damaged many webmaster's traffic trust.

Nope they didnt shut it down, they just let it keep happening...

Now ya can pin point all those companies and people as being sponsor's of this sort of activity.

JD · 05-15-2006, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Not an error at all. WebAir proudly hosted Isearch when Porngraph was doing auto install's over night and day with Porngraph. It stole millions of webmaster's traffic over night and damaged many webmaster's traffic trust.

Nope they didnt shut it down, they just let it keep happening...

ah shit...

drama · 05-15-2006, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I don't judge a hosting company based on its clients, but based on its performance and reliability. Now if isearch is jacking my traffic, please do contact me with some info about it (seriously).
WG

Sounds like you've had much better luck than I. I just finished leaving them because of their performance, reliability, and cost.

I ended up getting twice as much bandwidth which procuded lower latencies, less hops, much quicker download speeds BUT at about 1/2 the price i paid at webair.

Quick Buck · 05-15-2006, 03:43 PM

alien, you are like a broken record.

normally i'd try to damage your reputation in return but you do so well damaging it yourself.

Quick Buck · 05-15-2006, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I don't judge a hosting company based on its clients, but based on its performance and reliability. Now if isearch is jacking my traffic, please do contact me with some info about it (seriously).
WG

I'm 100% certain that no such thing is or has happened.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2006, 03:44 PM

Sperminator...

Just do a search here on GFY about Porngraph.
Do a little search on Isearch, right here in this very forum.

Then you will be shocked.

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.

Yo.

CyberHustler · 05-15-2006, 03:45 PM

stop this theft!

WiredGuy · 05-15-2006, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drama

Sounds like you've had much better luck than I. I just finished leaving them because of their performance, reliability, and cost.

I ended up getting twice as much bandwidth which procuded lower latencies, less hops, much quicker download speeds BUT at about 1/2 the price i paid at webair.

Odd, I'm even growing my operation with webair (2 new servers last week) and everything is stable and doing well. Did you try contacting them about the issues you were having before leaving?
WG

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2006, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick Buck

alien, you are like a broken record.

normally i'd try to damage your reputation in return but you do so well damaging it yourself.

LOL...

Dude go have yer fucking rep's throw more chairs threw windows and almost kill people at webmaster events. Or better yet send another off to take a swing at a processing company owner.

We love people that can be trusted to operate good business unfortunatly the bad guys always make it hard, hide and dodge the facts.

BlingDaddy · 05-15-2006, 03:46 PM

Smokeys threads are always excellent. WG... if you find solid solutions please hit me up.

Deraj · 05-15-2006, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

yup , this is the new shave detector, he is paid in mcdonalds certificates for every scamming affiliate he finds, every sponsor needs one..

This is his gay uncle Pete. He shaves one certificate for every 2 his nephew brings in. He is the McDonalds certificate pimp. Observe how this chain operation works =)

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2006, 03:49 PM

I always wondered how Poor old hooper went from rags to riches over night and now has a nice condo penthouse in NY.

Or how John Albright magically produced NATS out of his ass...

Degenerate · 05-15-2006, 03:55 PM

Sponsors should have no reason NOT to check this. Their income (unless they were the one putting ref codes in) would not be effected, they would just be paying the same amount, but to different parties..

Thus, this could be a case of Webmasters ripping off other webmasters.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2006, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Degenerate

Sponsors should have no reason NOT to check this. Their income (unless they were the one putting ref codes in) would not be effected, they would just be paying the same amount, but to different parties..

Thus, this could be a case of Webmasters ripping off other webmasters.

Dude.

Sponsors do not give a shit, they still get the sales.

Thats barking up the wrong tree entirely.

Ask some sponsors why they offer the encryption of thier links?
Oh thats right its great for SPAMMERS to hide thier identity!

Ya folks that think this industry is all fun and clean where everyone is "Cool", It still remains the filthiest smelliest pussy ever fucked by mankind.

Ya just goto look at it carefully and hold yer breath for the shock and horror as those around you have done nothing but steal from you in the first place.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2006, 04:07 PM

I guess ya kid's do not really want to get into it.

Anyways!

Nice read.

JD · 05-15-2006, 04:34 PM

smokey, is there anyway to hide your ref codes so they don't get over written? Does the header redirect work for this?

Pornopat · 05-15-2006, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Not an error at all. WebAir proudly hosted Isearch when Porngraph was doing auto install's over night and day with Isearch. It stole millions of webmaster's traffic over night and damaged many webmaster's traffic trust.

Nope they didnt shut it down, they just let it keep happening...

Now ya can pin point all those companies and people as being sponsor's of this sort of activity.

I hear the guys at Isearch drank Coca Cola. We should kill those motherfuckers at Coca Cola....

At a more serious note...Sponsors need to look for "new whales" and where there traffic is coming from. Its not hard. Dont make this thread into another one of your personal vendetta's.
This thread deserves better.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-15-2006, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

smokey, is there anyway to hide your ref codes so they don't get over written? Does the header redirect work for this?

hey everyone it was great day at the beach so i had to step out, glad this thread is getting the attention it deserves..

The header redirect will work in some cases , but not the majority , its much easier for sponsors to clean house on their end ..

But i have noticed increases since slowly shifting my traffic over to my own redirects

SmokeyTheBear · 05-15-2006, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

btw Smokey, if you know of any installs/spyware/toolbars that are affecting the main sponsor you mentioned in the start of the thread, please let me know. If they're not willing to stop it, I'm willing to go after my lost sales. I can tell you its definitely in the high 5 figures based on my downward trend sales figures.
WG

thanks for mentioning that i should have been clear because it could cause confusion , just for the record, i have no reason to believe tcg is being affected in any way ( other than the fact they are a big program and would be a likely target ) i dont use tcg so i dont pay too much attention to their ref codes ( although i do notice they seem to be quite notorious for showing up on these types of things , that could be due to many factors including that they are big , or that they look the other way , i dont wanna point any fingers where they dont need to be pointed so i'll leave it at that) I should also add that there are many other factors i think that affect ratio's payouts etc on big sponsors , that they need to pay more care too. I know of a guy who is ripping off tcg left right and center , and reported them for it several times, and tcg account is still open , so either they like being ripped off, they dont care , or they are involved ..

quantum-x · 05-15-2006, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I always wondered how Poor old hooper went from rags to riches over night and now has a nice condo penthouse in NY.

Or how John Albright magically produced NATS out of his ass...

Yep, extracted it with a team of programmers.

woj · 05-15-2006, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tradermcduck

@SmokeyTheBear

Does mysite.com/intheviplink.php instead of http://www.inthevip.com/main.htm?id=myaffid help?

and thanks for an excellent thread

not a bad idea, but this won't solve the issue... maybe in some rare cases where the spyware was coded by an amateur it will, but it won't in most cases... Like smokey said sponsors need to step up to the plate and fix it on their end, I don't think there is anything that can be done on the affiliate end to fix this...

MaddCaz · 05-15-2006, 06:01 PM

work this shit out!

05-15-2006, 02:17 PM	#3
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,459	I had a long talk with quite a few webmasters in Toronto this weekend about this, and I for one see stuff like this in my ratios. With enormous spikes in my signups with no changes to my traffic base, but yet joins are fluctuating by upwards of 75%. Its insane. I need this to stop asap. WG __________________ I play with Google.

05-15-2006, 02:21 PM	#4
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,457	there are very large people making moves on this now __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

05-15-2006, 02:23 PM	#6
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Yet another flaw in an open affiliate program. Invite only is so looking that much better. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

05-15-2006, 02:37 PM	#11
Juilan Sultan of Swing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: XXXodus Posts: 15,141	Truly believe that stealware/scumware is a growing problem. It seems the integrity of the sponsor is what is being tested. __________________ My Best Converting VOD Sponsor \|

05-15-2006, 02:39 PM	#13
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,459	And unfortunately all my major sponsors are taking an absolute nosedive. WG __________________ I play with Google.

05-15-2006, 02:06 PM	#1
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	Sponsors please STOP this THEFT (part#1) by now we are all well aware of these toolbars and trojans that rewrite pages with their ref codes.. If not ill explain a little.. there are many ways to do it , but lets say i hacked into gfy and altered the vbulletin database so when it displayed certain banners for say "TCG" it would add my webmaster ref code onto the end , randomly, only to third world ip's , ok maybe thats atricky example , but if you dont know what im talking about then you prob dont need to worry about it Ok so we all know the problem exists , but im suprised more isn't being done to stop it.. Heres what sponsors can do to help.. and heres why you should be doing this.. When a good new sponsor comes onto the scene , many people notice better ratio's , some of this is due to the fact that these "trojans" and such havent had the time to signup to that sponsor yet so you arent getting "shaved" on your links to them.. Older / established sponsors ratios decline as more scammers rip off their affiliates and their affiliates move elsewhere.. So while you may notice a new "whale" , he might be a wolf in whales clothing What can sponsors do about it.. ? look through your top 100 affiliates rferring urls or write a script and if you notice people making sales from other people's urls , you need to look into it.. Assure us you dont accept these practises , and that you do have security/staff in place to guard against such problems.. and if you dont , make plans to do so or watch as your affiliate base crumbles __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

05-15-2006, 02:14 PM	#2
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	gay. looks like I'll have to script all my ref codes...

05-15-2006, 02:30 PM	#9
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	Yep, the toolbars are so common now. Affiliates must be loosing millions every month to ref code stealers

05-15-2006, 02:35 PM	#10
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	I'll pay 2k to anyone that can write me a toolbar like this. j/k

05-15-2006, 02:39 PM	#14
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	True, and it's not very hard to detect this either, you could find the affiliates who get get signups with "stolen" traffic, with just some creative sql queries or some simple script... __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

05-15-2006, 02:41 PM	#15
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I been saying this for years. But all the processors and webmasters say its not a problem at all. It is the number one reason why I will not deal in traffic or operate sites on the consumer end. There have been way to many traffic jackings over the years one that comes to mind was Isearch and that whole Fiasco. There are many sublime app's out there just stealing traffic and re-writing affiliates codes. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-15-2006, 02:44 PM	#16
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Whats funny is that some of them that use this scumware are infact GFY advertisers hiding behind a clandestine outfit behind the scenes. Oh noes! __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-15-2006, 02:45 PM	#17
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Need to check it out,but if you already know some companies/affiliates doign it and you do not want to post their info here you can email me. I would appreciate that.

05-15-2006, 02:49 PM	#18
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	this might explain my horrid bangbros ratios....

05-15-2006, 03:00 PM	#19
ThumbLord Guest Posts: n/a	interesting read and .......

05-15-2006, 03:18 PM	#21
tradermcduck Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Europe - By the way I know my nickname sucks ;-) Posts: 2,362	@SmokeyTheBear Does mysite.com/intheviplink.php instead of http://www.inthevip.com/main.htm?id=myaffid help? and thanks for an excellent thread

05-15-2006, 03:22 PM	#23
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,459	btw Smokey, if you know of any installs/spyware/toolbars that are affecting the main sponsor you mentioned in the start of the thread, please let me know. If they're not willing to stop it, I'm willing to go after my lost sales. I can tell you its definitely in the high 5 figures based on my downward trend sales figures. WG __________________ I play with Google.

05-15-2006, 03:23 PM	#24
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Not just sponsors and Processors. Host providers to... __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-15-2006, 03:24 PM	#27
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	WG - I do not even know why you would sit at a table with folks that hosted one of the internet's biggest traffic jacking scams... __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-15-2006, 03:43 PM	#32
Quick Buck Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Free-Trials.......... Weekly-Payouts..... 100+Sites Posts: 1,026	alien, you are like a broken record. normally i'd try to damage your reputation in return but you do so well damaging it yourself. __________________ $50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!! Only at QuickBuck

05-15-2006, 03:44 PM	#34
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Sperminator... Just do a search here on GFY about Porngraph. Do a little search on Isearch, right here in this very forum. Then you will be shocked. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE. Yo. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-15-2006, 03:45 PM	#35
CyberHustler Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 25,441	stop this theft!

05-15-2006, 03:46 PM	#38
BlingDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Denver, CO ICQ 280-752-076 Posts: 6,343	Smokeys threads are always excellent. WG... if you find solid solutions please hit me up. __________________ Every Day... Bling Daddy's Masturbation Station! Bling Daddy's Masturbation Station! The Daily Bag of Douche - Humor at it's FINEST.

05-15-2006, 03:49 PM	#40
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I always wondered how Poor old hooper went from rags to riches over night and now has a nice condo penthouse in NY. Or how John Albright magically produced NATS out of his ass... __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-15-2006, 03:55 PM	#41
Degenerate Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,294	Sponsors should have no reason NOT to check this. Their income (unless they were the one putting ref codes in) would not be effected, they would just be paying the same amount, but to different parties.. Thus, this could be a case of Webmasters ripping off other webmasters. __________________ .

05-15-2006, 04:07 PM	#43
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05-15-2006, 04:34 PM	#44
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	smokey, is there anyway to hide your ref codes so they don't get over written? Does the header redirect work for this?

05-15-2006, 06:01 PM	#50
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