Tempest

I'll explain it to you in very simple terms will76... ready? her ya go...

shermo

I can't say I agree with you. Contests can be seen as advertising for the company offering the prizes... Start a contest, start a buzz and get some new affiliates. How is this taking from anybody? Give away a Hummer, get a nice tax write off. If a company is paying out 50% and taking out of it's own pocket to sweeten the pot a bit, what's wrong with that? There's a difference between paying out $5 more a join at 100 joins a day to an existing affiliate base for 2 years than spending some cash to bring new people on board. that will pay off in the long run.

I've been on both ends... We generally run our "contests" as promos with higher payouts and I don't see many people complaining.

The bottom line is branding, and thats what contests do.. They brand. In essence, that IS advertising.

BVF

this is BS...just ONE example is radio stations giving away all kinds of shit to boost listeners at certain quarter hours so they can in turn charge more for advertiing...

It's promotions, advertising, whatever you call it.

This thread makes no sense.

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will76

thats nice but not really my point. My point is that it could have been nice $3,000 watches if they wouldnt have given Joe Noob a new hummer.

I should stop using " hummer ". I am really not picking on any site in particular, but that seems to be the one that most people are familar with, A lot of sites do contest.

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Wiseman

YOUR RIGHT!! www.quickbuck.com paying out $66.60 for the entire month of june was a scam!!. LOL I will pay anyone more $ then there current sponsor is paying per join. GUARENTEED.

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will76

if i had to wrap it up in one sentence... and then i will let discussion continue for a little while with out me.

Focus on trying to take care of the people who take care of you.

What good does it do to have 200 noobs signup because they want to win somethign big, at the expense of losing 1 whale to another company because another company was willing to pay/value him a little more. shit most of the noobs will migrait to the next sponor holding a contest anyway.

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will76

yeah ... why not reward everyone.

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well that it interesting.

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A lot of contests are geared towards the whales anyways so I still fail to see a single point your making aside from that you feel those who send most of the traffic should get everything.

I have seen way to many contests where for every sale you send you get an entry ticket or whatever. This puts the whales in a statistical advantage odds wise of winning, well above the 1 sale a period or even the 5 sale a period affiliate. Though it still gives everyone a chance and will not only cause most to send more traffic, new affiliates will also sign up to try to win.

Then again it is their damn fucking money. I do not think you seem to really grasp that part. They also do a crap load of other things with their damn money as well that not only whales get to partake it. Been to many shows? Ever catch how many sponsored parties, events, open bars, dinners, and all that shit that goes on? Hell many of them are not even limited to current affiliates. Yet I also guess that is also "scamming money from affiliates".

Also leave out the you promote clickcash bullshit. Yes they do not spend a dime on content cause their business model changed to fucking over the cam girls just to get unlimited content in order to get more sign ups so then they can fuck over the customer with membership upgrades so that they can see all of the free additional content that the girls are making under the guise of "promotional advertising" by ifriends to get people into the girls paid chat. They just realized several years ago that they can fuck the girls over, use some lingo and trickery, offer a few new features that fuck them even more and build up a huge paysite that updates with fresh content every second of every day and charge the members a monthly fee to look at it and allow the camgirls to just be a convenient upsell to their members all the while the camgirls are filling the paysite up with free content.

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Aint that the fucking truth,my wife worked for them for 4 yrs as a cam girl . So fucking indifferent and borderline rude.

Webby

OK... Only my "preference" - but really not interested in damned Hummers or "prizes" in general in an attempt at hype. If I want shit, I can buy it.

The more valuable aspects are, probably first in line, the reliability of the sponsor and second is what the financial deal is and sponsor performance on conversions.


PS.. Again, may be different for other folks, but I got an aversion to sponsor fronts loaded with zillions figures, 5 pics of cars and stuff like that.

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will76

most of this has been replied to by me in my several other posts and at the sake of sounding repeatative and annoying people even more I would just ask you to read my replies again.

As far as the branding, the image that sticks in my head is a company that is throwing around a lot of money to try to impress people that they are a big playa. Trying to get everyone's attention, look at us we can blow lotsa money, etc... branding. . they do a good job of this, all the noobs go " wow look at all the money they have and they giving it away, wow they cool i want to t ake a chance to win". People like me ( i can't image i am alone on this) get a nice brand left in our minds of an company that puts too much money/time/effort in fluff and not enough in my pocket.

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webgurl

As many of you may argue that this Will76 is wrong I agree with certain points he is making and got me thinking
Just for that I am going to make a really cool contest geared to non -whales coming up soon .

Wiseman

I will pay you more then your other sponsors Will. and anyone else wo wants to send me traffic

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UtahSaints

isn't it how state lottery works?

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will76

yet another....

RAdio station = Sponsor
Listeners = Members
How does this apply to affiliates ?

i need to start copy and paste. I would be fine with a company that gives shit away to the members of the site, it makes selling easier, which makes me more sales, and more money.... NICE business model.... Taking a lot of money and giving it to one of my competitors for doing 1/100000000th of the work i did, NOT NICE business model..... do you understand now ?

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Trixxxia

As a sponsor, do you think giving a bonus of $ .50 or $ 1.00 for 30 or 60 days would have the same impact at branding, gaining new affiliates, activating slow ones, reanimating old ones as a $60k vehicle win publicized for 6 months say? No - it won't have the same buzz and 'WOW' effect.

The other thing is that once the 30-60 days is over - and you have to take the payout down again & it's going to be hard to do and you may make more damage to your bottom line than you expected.

A scam = a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation
Contests would fall under 'Promotion'=the act of furthering the growth or development of something; especially : the furtherance of the acceptance and sale of merchandise through advertising, publicity, or discounting

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detoxed

Because once you raise your payout so much you have no advertising money leftover and no way to grow once your payout can only get you to a certain level on its own. The rest is marketing, with no budget since the payouts are higher.

will76

reading most be over rated.


If you guys ran no contest but instead increased your payout then you are doing exactly what is right IMO.

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Webby

Your last post Will.... taking on from that, - won't mention names - but it may be a clue to dump "prizes" and go and buy some content and develop some creatives for affiliates to use.


PS.. Post before last

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Trixxxia

I do understand your displeasure with it - but I'm sure if you can understand a sponsor's position. Also, what guarantee do you have that the guy that won didn't do more work than you? You'll never know if it's an open contest for everyone.

detoxed

Blah blah blah, if you cant see that its the same thing as radio station giving away shit then I am very disappointed in your reputation for leading me on that you were brighter. Webmasters are marketed to in the exact same way, you must be blinded into the clickcash business model and not understand how most other affiliate programs market. Just like Coca-Cola giving away $1 million... what the fuck? I work my ass off to afford those cokes and they give away 1 million do a homeless guy who bought one in his life? Fuck that I will never buy a coke again!

I know I just wasted a few minutes on nothing but this is fun.

will76

seriously fuck off. How do you know how much money i have spent or not spent on content to promote clickcash ? I love the ones that think they know shit like this.

All of things you mentioned i have answered in previous post. I grasp everything fine read my post and you will understand.

Wow i get 1000 tickets to win something, no thanks, i would rather $1,000 dollars not chances. fuck chances i am not here to play games but to make money.

Please if you want to try to debate something with me, educate yourself on how i stand on the issue (ie read my post). If you need the cliff notes let me know.

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Webby

Suppose it is RS.... In a way I kinda agree with elements of what Will is saying in that a sponsor is dealing with the "trade" and not a surfer state lottery.

Hell.. everyone is different and what the hell, but I'd be more interested in constructive biz offerings from a sponsor than prizes.

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minusonebit

Somebody is upset that he lost to the postbots...

will76

all contest are geared to non whales people who actually make a lot of signups laught at the stupid shit.

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will76

Tony, just can't get off the fact that i advertise clickcash ? this thread has nothing to do with them but you people still feel the need to bring it up like it has anything to do with what I am talking about here.

I could be talking about the missiles in N Korea and i would hear shit from people like well if the N Koreans hadn't been pissed off because clickcash had bad support they wouldnt be test firing their missiles. etc... let it go, wrong topic, wrong thread.

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Kimo

thread does not deliver

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will76

yes i would rather pay more per signup because i would be concerned with taking care of my EXISTING affilliates. the same guys that made me enough money to burn it on a contest like that. I would focus on retention and taking care of the ones i have more so then trying to WoW new ones to come give me a try. New ones will give me a try because they hear good stuff about me, that i give back to them every last penny i can.

BTW, Scam was a little harsh perhaps i used it for a little "wow" affect

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Where in my post do I even suggest how much money you have?
Where in my post do I guess at, say, or even mention what you spend or do not spend on clickcash?
Before you tell others to read, or suggest one needs cliff notes you should take a deep look in the mirror and realize that you seem to have an issue with reading and grasping the definitions of words.

As to the 1000 tickets comment, that just shows that the whales are more prone to win and have done so in the past. Yes you are out to make money, yet so is the damn sponsor company. They do so via competitions, contests and other means.
It is no damn different than a car lot holding a contest where for every car a sales person sells they get a ticket, end of the period a ticket is drawn and that winner gets a new car. Sure maybe he was new, maybe he only sold one car. Who fucking cares. Yet you figure all of the sales people should just get an extra 500 bucks that period instead.

As for debating with you, it serves no purpose. You can not back up anything you say. You come off as lacking many basic advertising and business principles, and foremost your just an annoying fuck who talks the shit but never backs it up.

Case in point, many times others have offered you more money per sign up that what fuck over the models cash pays you and you have flatly refused. Yet somehow today you are just all about the making money. So which is it will?

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vvq

All money a program makes comes from affiliates. I don't think any affiliate should have a say on how a company budgets their money. Is there really any difference if the program spreads out a 60k bonus among their staff or spends 60k on a hummer to give away in a contest? The company is entitled to budget their money how they want. Contests are a form of advertising. It's obviously done to create a buzz and bring in new affiliates. No ons is getting scammed.

I mean should programs stop paying for top spots on GFY and instead use that money to increase payouts?! Or maybe they should stop sponsoring events and parties at webmaster shows? It's called advertising. It's not a scam.

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iwantchixx

same can be said about loterries. So it's only fair for people who play every week to win as oposed to the random one time joe winning the jackpot?

poisson

Dont quit doing contests, some affiliates used that money to grow and became wealthy.

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will76

Oh so you comparing yourself to a surfer now ? So how does this apply to affiliates again ?

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webgurl

well i wouldn't say that is true, if you had the ability to produce alot
of joins , you wouldn't exactly laugh at a contest that is giving you a
serious opportunity to win big prizes like 60k hummer , 40k car ,
15k trip etc ...
As much as the mentality people think "If they already make a ton of
money and do crazy joins already why would they want to win
anything else when they can just go buy it " That is myth # 1
That whales don't care for big ass prizes
I fail to believe that anybody would shaft an idea
of winning something awesome , when they know for a fact
they are already ahead of the game

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While it is still on my mind.

Will didnt you also buy a top banner on gfy for teamclickcash. Can not recall if you bought sigs while you were at it. So were you scamming your teamclickcash affiliates. I mean afterall instead of spending the couple k it costs to get the banner for a few months you could of given all your affiliates higher payouts.

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will76

Ok you were right orginally, I thought you said you know how much i spent on content. BUT now , lol you are telling me you know how much i make with clickcash vs what others can pay me, nice. You think i am like a dog going to jump on a bone because some sponsor says " I will pay you more". And what if they dont follow through. What if they can't afford me? opps sorry clickcash please take me back, whatever.

Haven't heard of any car lots giving away cars to sales man, they are the tightest fuckers out there but that is neither here nor there.

My lack of advertising and business has obviously done well for me regardless of what you think.

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Mr. Blue

Unfortunately your use of the word "scam" probably doomed your argument / thoughts on this topic.

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will76

I know it is so hard to leave sometimes.


I heard there was a contest starting in a few minutes so i was just wasting some time here waiting for it to begin.

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will76

I think some people still get the point. regardless. I wasn't expecting 100 post , wow man you right! never looked at it that way.

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poisson

I just won a Fleshlight :D.

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goldrush

I'd much rather have extra $$$ or reliable sales than silly contests.

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will76

Cliff notes:
Teamclickcash -> webmaster resource site for clickcash. Not an affiliate site. I don't pay affiliates, they don't pay me.

I bought advertise from a site, did not hold a contest and give away money based on luck, instead of results.

But keep trying you will get a good analogy sooner or later.

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Mr. Blue

yep, well you did get people looking that's for sure. Personally I've never been a huge fan of contests and I don't even weight contests into the equation when picking a sponsor.

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Peaches

Not paying out in contests doesn't necessarily mean more per payout for affiliates would be honored and most "whales" make more per sign up, get taken out, sent gifts, etc. than the average affiliate. Who's to say that the money not spent on contests wouldn't just go into the owner's bank accounts?

will76

I have always wanted to say this:


congratulation to the Winners!

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will76

Thank you for posting.

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BTW will I do agree with you in theory, just not your means of explaining it.

Ok was fun to argue. I am off to dinner now.

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You're welcome!

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