minusonebit

The magic month: May, 2007. I was planning to go over to Argentina for a month to see how I liked it and then make the move permenant in July, 2007 if all went well. Anymore, I am thinking that I might just leave and never come back.

These are all furnished places, so they are listed for much more than what they'd go for unfurnished, just like here in the states. But look at what $900 a month buys you there verus here. The stuff they rent for $900 a month there fully furnished would rent for $1500 a month here unfurnished.

> http://buenosaires.craigslist.org/apa/

Let it never be said that the United States has the best quality of living. The more I read and look and learn, the more convinced I am that its all one big fat lie. This country is such a rotten pile of steaming rat shit anymore its not even worth trying to exist in. What point is there in working all your life to support this disgusting system of government we have created where waste and incomptence is not only prevelent but rewarded?

I am sure the Argentine government has its own problems. In fact, I know it does. The difference is while the government is having its problems, at least I'll be able to enjoy my life to the fullest.

We should really all vacate the United States.







Thank you, I feel better now. And now, back to your regularly sceduled patriotic flag waving bullshit.

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Buh bye...

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minusonebit

Yeah, and fuck you too Mr. President. I'll miss you least of all. You and your fucking wars and taxes.

stickyfingerz

Buh bye.

Webby

This mean you are *actually* free from the US - or still a citizen and obliged to pay US taxes even from Argentina?

Sure minusonebit ... one thing that will hit you in the face is the freedom from bullshit - and a massive upgrading in quality of life. I did this decades ago, tho not from the US - and no way, - ever - would I dream of going back. (In fact, a good few friends have now done the same - could not leave quick enough )

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minusonebit

I am working on a tax scheme I need to run by someone more knowledgeable than I to determine the legality thereof. Basically, it would go something like this:

I form a corporation here and there both. I am an employee of both corporations and paid as such. The US corporation pays me a salary of $1 less than the then-current poverty level, so that any taxes withheld would come back to me in a refund. With the rest of the funds, the US corp contracts my AR corp for "management and adminstrative services" as a contract consultant. Then the AR corp pays me as an employee of the corp and I pay taxes on whatever is needed there. The bulk of my income would be paid out from the AR corp.

I dont want to give up my citizenship because it would make re-entry more of a pain for coming back to visit friends and such. Not to mention, I have considered working in the US for a couple months out of the year. Hell, you could almost make enough running a paper route or working at McDonalds for a couple months to live in AR for a whole year. I dont want to have to carry a green card in my birth country.

For as much pleasure as it would give me to go down to the INS office and offically renounce my citizenship, thats a pleasure I dont think I will allow myself. At least not yet.

Webby

Got ya!! Smells problematic man - it's not an uncommon scenario, but very hard to implement as long as there is US citizenship involved.

You are prob already aware tho - the IRS will live allowances of around $80K year for foreign residency.

It may also be worth checking if there is any actual taxation due in Argentina for earnings outside that country - ie.. are net earning subject to taxation in Argentina. Several countries do not have taxation for stuff like net earnings - Costa Rica is one and there is no problems with Panama on this.

Damn.. just checked... Argentina is not a geo-based tax system but based on "worldwide income and profits" This is where that US citizenship thing becomes a problem again - example: If that did not exist, you can literally do what the hell you like and have corps in other low or no tax areas and not have to waste any time on tax reporting.

Another clue is... and I never did ask - almost all US expats I know always seem to be earning around $78K/year - a few K below the IRS allowance limits (But hell.. that gets them a far higher lifestyle in places like central and south America even if that was a genuine statement of earnings)

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one eight

May I suggest you check out EscapeArtist.com, all about living, working and investing overseas. I spent last year in Costa Rica, and plan on spending much of this winter in Argentina.

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CaptainHowdy

Welcome To Argentina

Bienvenido A Argentina

northboy

don't let the door hit you on the way out !!

Monique Niccole

That's a pretty cool site even if you're just planning a vacation somewhere rather than a permanent move.

lazycash

Minusonebit won't be missedonebit

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Webby

Strange people are the human race

Glance over the posts above and check all forms of bitching because someone wants to experience living in another country.

There sure is a lot of hatred in some societies - fortunately they are not all like that.

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stickyfingerz

The only hatered I see is you and your buddies of America.

Webby

So that's why you bitched your own countrymen because they were interested in escaping? The logic is missing, but a good try anyways.

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stickyfingerz

Umm He is leaving because he hates the U.S. My logic is firm enough.

Webby

Does he? Are you clairvoyant as well?

So, the logic goes - "he hates the U.S". So??? What's your problem?

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Joe Citizen

How many countries you been to sticky?

L-Pink

Sounds like you just aren't making enough money.

Everyone has their preferences.

Good luck, you could have made a classier exit.

fantabulous

Gud luck dear

madawgz

yep, hes an ass forsure

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stickyfingerz

Japan for about 1 month out of the year. Every year for the last 5 or 6 years.

stickyfingerz

Yup it takes alot to garner that info from his posts everyday plus the thread title. what a rube.

stickyfingerz

Oh and does Canada and Mexico count as a country? lol

I plan on a trip to Australia in the next year or so too. Gold coast fo sure.

Webby

Mmm.. so you are clairvoyant. That's a fine blessing you got there lad.

So.. you have assumed from this and other threads that minusonebit "hates the US" and therefore, becomes a person to whom you should show some of your personal hatred. Okkkaaay.

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Webby

Now... there you go again. Why is it you have to despise and show hatred of other nations and try to make some feeble jokes about them?

I'm just trying to work out how much hatred ya actually have while claiming others "hate the US".

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minusonebit

Oh, you all arent getting rid of me that easily. They have internet access in Argentina too.

Sticky dosent realize the difference between hating the COUNTRY itself and hating the GOVERNMENT, which gives the COUNTRY a bad name. This country used to stand for something respectable, honest and worthwhile. It was worth fighting for, worth protecting, worth trying to make it work. Today, this country stands for the same things that so many people have died trying to prevent way back when. The United States now represents waste, stupidity, power mongering and corruption. This a page torn right from the GOP playbook: anyone who disgarees with the ruling power hates the country, is unpatriotic and so on. These are the same tactics Hitler used to get Germany under his spell.

You're right. All of my money goes to pay for this tax and this fee and this charge and this program. Its not gonna be getting any better and I am tired of it. I refuse to work to support other people who dont wanna work and would rather stay on welfare, and to support a government thats spending is spiraling out of control with no end in sight. I'm not going to do it anymore.

As for a classier exit? This isnt a webmaster show or a movie production. I'd much rather just go than worry about making a classier exit.

awesomenaut

good luck, it's always nice to see people actually go out there and experience the world instead of thinking they know everything because they saw it on television.

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Webby

Exactly!! And the sooner anyone starts doing that in their lives - the better.

It's an amazing world out there with plenty amazing people - who don't have a blindness or the usual "hate syndrome" around here - in fact, the total opposite.

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potter

Ok, so yeah you get furnishings for cheaper (those apts didn't look all that great btw). You can also move to omaha if you want cheap housing.

Now, I'm not dissing Buenos Aires. BUT The reason I personally don't mind the expensive housing rates here in the States is because I have within fifteen miles of me

2 malls
about 15 nice resteraunts (maybe more)
prob like 25+ fast food places 0
hundreds of bus stops
10 car dealerships
countless gas stations
2 movie theaters
3 of those big 24/7 fitness centers
1 off road shop
2 gun stores
2 shooting ranges
1 airport
5 grociery stores (prob more though)
4 department stores (maybe more)
countless liqour stores
3 billiards stores
2 camera shops
about 10 banks (maybe more?)
a ton of parks
5 auto stores
like 15 furniture stores (people must like to buy furniture around here?)
1 major highway
2 interstate highways
a whoooooole bunch of churches
2 waterparks (that i know of)
4 computer stores
3 billiard bars
god i dunno how many normal bars, there's alot
a home depot
a whole crap load of tan salons, hair stylists
we have TWO "sell it on ebay" stores

and the list could go on and on and on and on and on and on.. But I think I made my point

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a shit, forgot the endless list of pizza and chinese delivery places
also, 3 kinkos!!! <3 kinkos

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Actually Webby, you haven't been entirely fair in assessing this thread, because the hate started with the first post and people responded to it. Let me explain. If minusonebit wrote this as the thread topic:

Now, do you see the difference in tone that would create? He would have been congratulated on his move, he would have had best wishes tossed at him, and that would have been that.

He started the "hate syndrome" and people knee-jerked reacted to it. Why wouldn't they? I don't think America is a cesspool, in fact I'm going to turn 33 years old in August, I own (paid off the mortgage by the time I was 30) a rather nice house on Long Island, I have no trouble paying my bills, and I happen to live in one of the highest taxed areas in America, but it doesn't matter to me because I make more than enough money to support myself and have a very nice lifestyle. Yes, my quality of living is very good in fact. Now, why would anyone readily agree that their country is a cesspool if that's not their experience?

Now, if he had posted the message I wrote, with no hate, no malice to a system he couldn't thrive in, well...would he have gotten the reaction he had gotten? If he did, then I would completely agree with you, but since he didn't I can say that you turned your blinders on to how the hate ball started rolling

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minusonebit

I am pretty sure the better neighborhoods in BA have all this. Well, except for the shitload of gas stations. Many people dont have a car there as I understand they arent needed as much. Less cars = less need for gas stations. Palermo sure seems to have its share of night life, food, vending and such. The US is not the only place that has needed stuff closeby and accessiable.

Kimo

move to middle amerikka, or if your strictly moving because of the politics you better not go to anywhere in south america or the phillipines because in most south american countries and in the phillipines we have american government people right in their main offices with the presidents of their countries and their office is called like 'foreign developement' or something, and they do a lot more then they say they do... *omg tinfoil hat omg*


but seriously, wherever you go, the us can and will fuck you

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minusonebit

Good for you. There are plenty of people here that are rich. Its not impossible to live well here. I am saying its not worth the effort. Why should I work extra hard to make a broken system bear fruit for me? Its like a farmer planting your crop in the soil you know is only of marginal quality when you have another field next to you that you currently graze your sheep in (pun intended) that has soil of exceptional quality. Living in America is not making your assets work the hardest they can for you.

Its not my "failure to thrive" in this country that pisses me off. I dont like the way this country is run (I havent for some time. At first I was quiet about it, then I bitched, then I screamed and now I'm just ready to blow a gasket.) and I have grown to have an immense dislike, yes, a hatred, for the ignorance of the masses who continue to put some of these jokers back into office time and time again. I dont see the situation getting better.

I honestly dont even really care what anyone on here thinks about this subject. Those who want to wish me well may do so and thier well wishes are appreicated. Those who want to pray for my demise may also do so and they can go fuck themselves. Those who want to do something in between can do so and whatever. I'm not looking for community support or donations, so there is no need to polish up the post like I am seeking venture capital or something.

It was a spur of the moment post made after I just got done reading a fresh dose of the daily news which shows yet again how fucked our society here is.

Antonio

gentlmen, a 3rd World country is called a 3rd World county for a reason, hell I'm sure rent is cheaper, and the girls are great but you'll see how many things you take for granted in the US aill have to struggle to get in a 3rd(ish) World country


Like I can get a house for 1000 bucks a month with swimming pool and 3 bedrroms in a ok area, but I can not get ADSL with say 40 Gigis for less than $500 a month, I also have to wait more than a month for the ADSL to be installed ......... and many many more examples, so be very careful when you consider moving somewhere else, and yes staying there for at least 6 months is not a bad idea

potter

I'll put money down that there is no city in South America with all that I've listed above within 15 miles. Even discounting the auto shops and gas stations. I've been to South America alot (not to Buenos Aires though), and have never seen any city come close (like not even an 8th of the amount) to having the shops and general stores/products/services available in the large American cities.

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I hear Guam is nice this time of year.

minusonebit

I'll let you know when I get there.

potter

Exactly, I spent 3 months one time (longest vacation of my life). It's incredible when you realise you take for granted on a daily basis back in the States. Don't get me wrong, I had a blast on the vacation and would do it again. It's easy to let some things go, especially when you know you're only on vacation and will be home eventually. But living indefinitely without some of those things is a VERY drastic change.

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Don't worry about it, I already know there isn't

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Webby

I hear ya Mr Blue

OK... Let's reverse rolls (and this happens to be actual fact in real life and on many occasions)... What minusonebit said is so typical of folks when they just get pissed off (usually in civilized countries) and not just the US.

Never counted... but got to be near 100 now over the last few years who came on the phone or chatted and their tone was very similar to what minusonebit was saying. Basically they have reached a point of "I've had enough" (and many sure have good reason). These folks ended up shipping out to enjoy, basically a better lifestyle in other countries - a good number ended up in the Caribbean or Latin America.

On many occasions they are from my home country and are trashing it to hell and back - but I don't tell them to piss off or adopt some "offended attitude" Often what they are saying I'd totally agree with and would sure totally support anyone who has an interest in getting out into the world and having a look around. (BTW.. That also has nothing to do with "hating" a country - everywhere has some good stuff going for it)

This thread is really based on... dunno.. a mix of the usual GFY diatribe and flippancy and a touch of patriotism stuff which is really unique to the US. Embedded in "patriotism" is a need to "defend" and a touch of malice can be used to do the defending - and that's really what is showing thru here. Least, that's my worth

PS... For amusement... here's a pile of quotes on patriotism
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Patriotism

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Webby

When I shipped out and became an ex-pat potter - I thought exactly the same thing

On two occasions I even asked groups of expats how long they wanted to live "outside" and when were they thinking of going back to their home countries. On both times - the place went silent and got weird looks as tho I'd just gone insane

Apart from to visit family - nobody was dreaming of ever going back to their home countries on a permanent basis. They had no reason to and were living far better lifestyles than they ever thought possible.

Tho.. in fairness.. there is no "inconvenience factors" - ya want something? There is a store not far away - but the main element is in the total laid back lifestyle.

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he-fox

You're joking...
2 malls = 200 shops aprox. - I'm sure there are commercial streets with many more shops in Buenos Aires
15 restaurants - many many more in B.A., cheaper, too
25+ fast-food places - I hope there are 0. Fast-food is crap
10 car dealerships - There are more in B.A., but whatta hell do you buy 10 cars at once? If you need a certain car, you can drive even 100 miles to get it.
1 movie theaters - probably many more in B.A.
3 24/7 fitness centers - probably there aren't 24/7 centers, but for sure are many more fitness centers
2 gun stores - Thanks God if there aren't any
2 shooting ranges - idem
1 airport - at least 1 international airport in B.A.
5 grocery stores - not even worth to be mentioned
4 department stores, liquor stores, camera shops, billiards stores, auto stores, furniture stores, any kind of stores - idem
a ton of parks - probably 10 tons in B.A.
1 major highway - probably many in B.A.
hundreds of bus stops, churches, gas stations, whatever - what do you say, in a 13 million ppl megacity, could be more
Add to that 1 ocean and 1 huge river (Rio de la Plata), with beaches and stuff

All these, at a life cost probably 1/2 than in your area.

I would never compare a 13 milion inhabitans metropolis with your 15 miles area, man.

The truth is that in cities like Buenos Aires, with 4-5k a month, you live like in US with 15k a month. Try it and you will see that I'm right.

L-Pink

"This country is such a rotten pile of steaming rat shit anymore its not even worth trying to exist in."


Not where I live.

The only real response to this is, fuck-you, get a better job.

Webby, you and I have argued before ... on a different level. Not about living in a shitty apartment. If the poster was living canal-front in Miami with a pool and boat, this would be a great country for him, he's not so it's shit?

By all means improve your lifestyle, just don't tell me I live in shit and am an idiot for not moving.

I grew-up in Kailua, Hawaii ... based on apartment prices Hawaii is a real pile of shit?

Costa Rica and it's Government is one thing but Argentina? LOL

Webby

Minor addition he-fox - over 50% of cars run on "flex fuel" - either oil based or ethanol - gas is cheaper

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rants

http://buenosaires.craigslist.org/apa/184249698.html

maid service 6 days a week? thats included in the rent? damn
and they change ur linens too?

i only get it twice a month and gotta pay for it myself.

Webby

Hell.. I'm not claiming *any* country is shit (tho some may be "problematic") - every country has good stuff tho wherever may be decried on GFY from time to time.

BTW... Who said Hawaii (or anywhere else) is a pile of shit?? Not me!!

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Webby

Maid and maintenance stuff costs little rants - it's more the norm in Latin and South America. Hell.. they even construct with "maids quarters" to accomodate full-time service.

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