Can be this considered as cheating webmasters (shaving)? [biz thread]

[Gerco]

Originally Posted by thinkx

Gerco

no matter how much you try to bend the rules, its stealing from ppl who promote you.

Almost no sales, basically not worth mentioning and more crap like that. Sure make 5 pages posts. Youre shaving and ppl hate it.

And that surviving quote is lame. Youre not some Robin Hood stealing from the rich only. Youre stealing from every affiliate and that sucks.

If that's what you believe then I'm not going to sit and get into a pissing match with you. Your free to promote whoever you like. My program is on my terms. If you don't like it. Tough. I dont need approval from anyone to tell me how to run my company. Other sponsors have let themselves gets caught up in this trap where the affilaites are the life blood of the company. In my case, they account for very little. Affilaites are not doing me favors. I'm allowing them to make something from my content and site. If I shut off the affiliate program completely right now.. I would still be around and doing just fine.

[DutchTeenCash]

looks a lot better imho

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by Gerco

Affilaites are not doing me favors. I'm allowing them to make something from my content and site. If I shut off the affiliate program completely right now.. I would still be around and doing just fine.

LOL

how long you been in this biz? dude the 1% programs that run without affiliates do so because they dont have the time or wanna put effort in an aff prg.

If youre doing 99% direct sales then remove the aff program, logout here and never come back cause hey you dont affiliates now do you.

[Gerco]

Originally Posted by thinkx

looks a lot better imho

LOL! Whatever. If you have the traffic that fit my site you would promote it. Who else you going to send it to? Again, supply and demand.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by Gerco

LOL! Whatever. If you have the traffic that fit my site you would promote it. Who else you going to send it to? Again, supply and demand.

No.

Were all this biz to make money. And sending it to your program means losing money. Plus there are a TON of other programs dealing with the same shit you have. Who are upfront and dont shave.

[Gerco]

Originally Posted by thinkx

No.

Were all this biz to make money. And sending it to your program means losing money. Plus there are a TON of other programs dealing with the same shit you have. Who are upfront and dont shave.

Go on... Show me these "TON" of other program with the same stuff I have... words.. just words.
Actually, try and show me one..

[Tom_PM]

If it's in his TOS, thats the end of story IMHO. People check the box when they join that they've read and agree to the terms after all.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Gerco

1. Your harping about Websites and how their affilaite program is ran yet, you don't even plan on using one yourself? Interesting to say the least.

2. As far as opening a website, maybe in my case I had a "little" more to offer than just the tech knowhow. Sounds more like you would rather just promote saturated programs. One of the reasons all the TGP etc are looking the same, cause they are all pushing the same programs.

Also, in opening the site I started it back in 2001. You could start a single site back then and do ok with it. Fortunatly, it became large enough to sustain itself over the years, but it would be almost impossible to duplicate today. The expense is just to great for the risk. EH will be the only site I do. It will always be my first and it will be my last. I guess you get burned out dealing with everyones hands out. I just think you have a sad point of view. You ignor all the creative, unusual sites out there, the smaller sites working to get by, for the larger mega sites. You really think that your not paying for that staff they have? You really think that they are taking less of a % from the sales you "Sent" them than some one me with a couple of extra ways for a surfer to signup? Give me a break. Everyone has to make a profit or we wouldn't be here. Promote the content that sells for you and stop whining about the little things so much. To call it "shaving" that dirty little word in our industy is stupid. It's not hidden. We are not trying to cheat you or fool you in someway. Shit in my case we dont have ANY popups, no consoles, no emailings. Nothing. A person gets to our join poage and either becomes a member or doesn't. End of story.

you have me all wrong. and you know why i won't have an affiliate program? because i don't want my stuff over saturated and i don't want to deal with the hassle of affiliates. i know its a lot of work but if you're going to have one, you gotta be ready for the work thats involved.

i don't want to promote oversaturated sites and i love the creative and unusual although the main problem i have with small programs is they often pop up and then close losing all your rebills. my first priority is making money, otherwise i have no reason to promote a site at all.

your site is unique for sure and that is something to consider when weighing out the pros and cons of a site/program. i wouldn't say most small programs are unique though, a lot of people seem to think they can spend a few thousand on non-exclusive content, pay ccbill 300 bucks to get an account and make a million with affiliates.

of course everyone has to make a profit, even affiliates. you really think affilites have it so easy? i've been doing the affiliate thing since 98 and its a very different world now compared to then. if you feel you have to use multiple processors without giving credit to affiliates why not just have them forwarded to the secondary processor after they fail on the first and not give the choice first off?

[DutchTeenCash]

Dude

youre 39 come on where did you get your MBA? This is NOT gonna work out for you. When your top 10% affiliates read this youre done.

And no programs who run on 40-50% aff sales arent slaves to their aff. With a 700 active members base you should be thinkin about that.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by Gerco

Go on... Show me these "TON" of other program with the same stuff I have... words.. just words.
Actually, try and show me one..

ah so thats it

cause youre unique you can screw ppl. Wow thats a long term biz resolution.

[Mr. Soul]

Originally Posted by L0rdJuni0r

i am one of your new affiliates and i didn't notice that you have another payment option. I don't like that very much. If you can make a tour that has only ccbill payments, i would like that alot more. Until then, i probably wont add more of your galleries since I'm not sure that I'll get my sale because of the Paymonde. Please let me know if you make one of these "ccbill only" tours. You have very nice content and i think it will convert very nice and i would love to add all your galleries to all my sites. It is disappointing to find this out. Now I'm going to check all my other sponsors too see if they are doing the same thing. Waste of my time now since i could be doing other things that are more productive but damn..

Before you start promoting a new sponsor, you should learn everything about them. Look at every page on sites you're going to promote. Find out exactly how their billing works and what you get credited for. Find out if they have cross sales, and if you get credit for them.

Find out exactly what leaks their tours have (links to outside sites, email collection boxes, etc).

Look at what they do in terms of exits, including back button redirecting.
If you use any kind of popup blocker (including google toolbar), turn it off and surf every page on the tours. I don't use IE for my own browsing, but I look at every sponsor page with it because 65% of my traffic uses it.

I always do a test signup and look at the members area on each site I'm going to promote, especially with revshare programs. If you don't want to do test signups, ask your rep for a temp password. Never send traffic to a revshare program without seeing the members area.

Everyone should consider all of these aspects before choosing which programs to work with. You have to weigh the pros and cons of each program, there aren't any perfect ones out there. Don't be shocked or upset when affiliate programs have these downsides. They're usually not out to sneak anything past their affiliates. If a PPS program has a good payout, you may be more inclined to accept more leaks/alternate billers/exits/etc. Personally, I don't use any revshare programs that have leaks of any kind, exits I don't get credit for, cross sales I don't get paid for, or billers they don't pay me for. PPS is a different story. If a PPS makes me a good return per click (by my count), a few leaks are acceptable. PPS programs have to make X amount for every signup. Revshare programs don't.

If you have enough traffic, most % programs that have leaks will let you host your own tours where you can control exists and links.

Anyway that's just my about the smart thing to do before begining to promote an affiliate program. Especially revshare. It's well worth the time.

[David - PG]

Originally Posted by thinkx

Were not talkin bout xselling here. Totally different subject.

Yep, different subject, but same result to the affiliate's bottom line.

I always hear "Revshare rocks, revshare makes more money blabla".

Why do then so many Revshare programs (I know there are a few good ones out there, but I am obviously talking about the bad apples here) have to fuck over their affiliates by not paying out on all money made with the clicks sent by the affiliate? Why are they not paying on secondary billing options and (!) cross sales?

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by David - PG

Yep, different subject, but same result to the affiliate's bottom line.

I always hear "Revshare rocks, revshare makes more money blabla".

Why do then so many Revshare programs (I know there are a few good ones out there, but I am obviously talking about the bad apples here) have to fuck over their affiliates by not paying out on all money made with the clicks sent by the affiliate? Why are they not paying on secondary billing options and (!) cross sales?

dying of age and getting murdered also has the same result.

would be nice if you stuck to the thread and not mention half the worlds problems. One problem at a time.

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by Gerco

I have over 780 ACTIVE members. Billing at 34.95 a month...

Didn't you claim to make 80 sales a day some time ago? Not that your numbers are bad, I could tell you a few PPS sponsors who are sponsors on GFY and have less members, so you still have my respect.

[Gerco]

Originally Posted by thinkx

Dude

youre 39 come on where did you get your MBA? This is NOT gonna work out for you. When your top 10% affiliates read this youre done.

And no programs who run on 40-50% aff sales arent slaves to their aff. With a 700 active members base you should be thinkin about that.

Thinkx, I have been doing this since 2001. Same site, same way. Steady membership. I survived the Ibill shit, I survived the Visa Mastercard changes. I have even survived the loss of the main attraction to the site. The site has not been updated in 1 year 6 months due to the loss of the main attraction, And even so, my membership has grown and retention has remainied the same. I'm now sitting on about 2 years worth of new content that I'm about to add to the site so it's not going anywhere anytime soon. I'm not a greedy bastard, I'm quite happy with the money I bring in from the site as it sits. Could it grow bigger, sure. But, at what cost? Oversaturation etc. I'm going to be setting up the new affilaite program over at anotherprogram.com for the current affilaites. and Invite only after that. Does that mean that I'm wrong in my current affilaite program, nope. I just wanted to be able to have a nicer looking program to go with the site as I redo it to show the new content thats about to be added. You run your stuff your way, I'll run mine myway.

[Gerco]

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

Didn't you claim to make 80 sales a day some time ago? Not that your numbers are bad, I could tell you a few PPS sponsors who are sponsors on GFY and have less members, so you still have my respect.

What? When have I EVER claimed that I do 80 sales a day? I'm happy with 5-10 sales a day! lol.

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by Gerco

What? When have I EVER claimed that I do 80 sales a day? I'm happy with 5-10 sales a day! lol.

hmm, maybe it was someone different, I thought I remember your program name from that thread(some discussion with xxxjay about sales/day)

[Gerco]

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

hmm, maybe it was someone different, I thought I remember your program name from that thread(some discussion with xxxjay about sales/day)

Nope not me. I don't pretent to be something I'm not like a lot of people on this fourm. I let my work speak for itself. Who the hell would have to try and impress here? Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy GFY. I spend quite a bit of time on here every day reading the post, I think I have even posted some helpfull things from time to time but, basically I'm here cause I find it a nice break from everything else I do during the day.

It's like going ot the shows... I see all kinds of people talking big about this or that... Whatever. I'm a SHOW ME kind of person. Talk is truly cheap but on GFY it's on sale.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by Gerco

Thinkx, I have been doing this since 2001. Same site, same way. Steady membership. I survived the Ibill shit, I survived the Visa Mastercard changes. I have even survived the loss of the main attraction to the site. The site has not been updated in 1 year 6 months due to the loss of the main attraction, And even so, my membership has grown and retention has remainied the same. I'm now sitting on about 2 years worth of new content that I'm about to add to the site so it's not going anywhere anytime soon. I'm not a greedy bastard, I'm quite happy with the money I bring in from the site as it sits. Could it grow bigger, sure. But, at what cost? Oversaturation etc. I'm going to be setting up the new affilaite program over at anotherprogram.com for the current affilaites. and Invite only after that. Does that mean that I'm wrong in my current affilaite program, nope. I just wanted to be able to have a nicer looking program to go with the site as I redo it to show the new content thats about to be added. You run your stuff your way, I'll run mine myway.

Sure. Dont shoot the messenger.

[Gerco]

Originally Posted by thinkx

Sure. Dont shoot the messenger.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

shaving sucks!

[freakzilla]

languish.org .

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by Gerco

Nope not me. I don't pretent to be something I'm not like a lot of people on this fourm. I let my work speak for itself. Who the hell would have to try and impress here? Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy GFY. I spend quite a bit of time on here every day reading the post, I think I have even posted some helpfull things from time to time but, basically I'm here cause I find it a nice break from everything else I do during the day.

It's like going ot the shows... I see all kinds of people talking big about this or that... Whatever. I'm a SHOW ME kind of person. Talk is truly cheap but on GFY it's on sale.

Yes, same here...and you are right, many people on GFY try to pretend to be more than they really are. But in most cases its so obvious, that anyone with a working brain knows whats up.