How much content should a site have? - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 08-14-2006, 11:40 PM

To keep a surfer happy for a month after paying $30

Assuming the site is mainstream, nothing totally exceptional or crap.

It can be a mix of exclusive or not.

For me any site with less than 50 scenes is short changing surfers. A member who has just left a site with 500 scenes does not appreciate or give a damn if the site is new exclusive or anything. He just paid $30 for 500 and not is paying $30 for 40. He thinks he's been robbed.

And I suspect most sponsors with small sites know that, as few tell the surfer what he's buying on the join page.

Alky · 08-14-2006, 11:41 PM

is there really a answer to that?

Paul Markham · 08-14-2006, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alky

is there really a answer to that?

Ask a surfer.

He will tell you;

YES

Alky · 08-14-2006, 11:55 PM

if surfer A says 100 vids, and surfer B says 1,000 ... then which is the right answer?

so i still think...

NO

Paul Markham · 08-15-2006, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alky

if surfer A says 100 vids, and surfer B says 1,000 ... then which is the right answer?

so i still think...

NO

So you think the minimum should be 100.

Why did you not just say that in the first place?

Paul Markham · 08-15-2006, 12:39 AM

Affiliates don't forget this is about the product you sell, the thing that keeps members coming back to join again, stops them from think free clips on Worldsex are better value, PUT'S MONEY IN YOUR POCKET.

Of course if you think putting up a site with 20 videos is the way forward then please post it here and tell us of your site so we can avoid it.

How many sponsors tell affiliates how much content is inside the site?

1 x 21 minute WMV video 720 x 576 = 250 meg
400 = 100 gigs
1 Gig cost $0.10

Yes 4 videos costs 10 cents to deliver. That must break the bank of most sponsors.

AaronM · 08-15-2006, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Affiliates don't forget this is about the product you sell, the thing that keeps members coming back to join again, stops them from think free clips on Worldsex are better value, PUT'S MONEY IN YOUR POCKET.

Of course if you think putting up a site with 20 videos is the way forward then please post it here and tell us of your site so we can avoid it.

How many sponsors tell affiliates how much content is inside the site?

1 x 21 minute WMV video 720 x 576 = 250 meg
400 = 100 gigs
1 Gig cost $0.10

Yes 4 videos costs 10 cents to deliver. That must break the bank of most sponsors.

One of my sites has 21 videos on it at any given time. No more, no less. Next week the oldest video is pulled off and the newest video is added on so the number sticks at 21.

Is it the best way to run a site? Nope. But it's 100% exclusive content and the surfers love the girl so it seems to work out OK. I've got extra shit in that site too but only 3% of the members even check it out. They don't want the extras, they want the girl they signed up to see.

Sausage · 08-15-2006, 01:14 AM

Waiting for this to turn into an infomercial for Paul Markhams paysite or his content store .....

Paul Markham · 08-15-2006, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

One of my sites has 21 videos on it at any given time. No more, no less. Next week the oldest video is pulled off and the newest video is added on so the number sticks at 21.

Is it the best way to run a site? Nope. But it's 100% exclusive content and the surfers love the girl so it seems to work out OK. I've got extra shit in that site too but only 3% of the members even check it out. They don't want the extras, they want the girl they signed up to see.

So you are rotating one scene out of 21 scenes weekly?

Seems to me that's a site of 25 scenes per month. So the girl is special and the reason people sign up and they will not look at any other girl. Seems a narrow market to me. But WTF if it works don't break it.

woj · 08-15-2006, 01:23 AM

I think it's more about the frequency of updates, then the actual number of sets... 100 sets with a set added every day, I would think is better than 400 sets with a set added once a week...

flashfreak · 08-15-2006, 01:25 AM

the content should be varied...
vids and pics are everywhere. I'm not saying your content is everywhere, but people might get bored and cancel.
add some interactivity, make them feel good with my games and you'll see they'll be happy :D

jact · 08-15-2006, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flashfreak

the content should be varied...
vids and pics are everywhere. I'm not saying your content is everywhere, but people might get bored and cancel.
add some interactivity, make them feel good with my games and you'll see they'll be happy :D

Nice games! Will be in touch!

Paul Markham · 08-15-2006, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flashfreak

the content should be varied...
vids and pics are everywhere. I'm not saying your content is everywhere, but people might get bored and cancel.
add some interactivity, make them feel good with my games and you'll see they'll be happy :D

No argument from me on this one. Some sites are so boring it's no wonder they don't retain. Same girl, same shooters, same location and the same action. They change the girls Knickers.

But no worries it's all exclusive.

Paul Markham · 08-15-2006, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flashfreak

make them feel good with my games and you'll see they'll be happy :D

Might just do that.

Hit me up on ICQ.

Lykos · 08-15-2006, 03:05 AM

Hmm... really hard to say
i know many ppl start sites wih 10 hardcore sceenes/photo sets (exclusive) and then regulary update it..thats a far as i know for exclsuive and reality stuff

SmokeyTheBear · 08-15-2006, 03:16 AM

5 million video clips minimum , and you must have videos for every possible scenario
http://com.webspacemania.com/video/Paul-Markham.htm

Paul Markham · 08-15-2006, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

5 million video clips minimum , and you must have videos for every possible scenario
http://com.webspacemania.com/video/Paul-Markham.htm

None of them play, how do I load up some more samples to this site?

Fuck I need to get into this traffic game and find more sites like this.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-15-2006, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

None of them play, how do I load up some more samples to this site?

Fuck I need to get into this traffic game and find more sites like this.

a couple of them have moved , most of them play..

you can search for domain specefic videos like this http://com.webspacemania.com/video/s...mteens.com.htm

basschick · 08-15-2006, 03:45 AM

depends on the scarcity of the content. i've seen sites with under 50 scenes retain spectacularly - in htf niches.

ssp · 08-15-2006, 03:55 AM

Why not include a poll in your members area where you ask members:

How many video clips do you view each time you log in?
How many times a week do you login?

Then do your own maths..

Garywell · 08-15-2006, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Ask a surfer.

He will tell you;

YES

The surfers happy with the sites like www.1by-day.com. Everyday updates and etc... But not the webmasters. By finding the site of dream surfers stays there for months and refuses from other sites. The average paying surfer has subscription to 2-3 sites at the same time. So what is good for surfers not always good for webmaster profit

As for me, partner programs that have 20-30 sets sites updated on a weekly bases bring me more money. The idea to bring surfer FRESH sites work well - high ratio, 2-3 rebill enought if your bookmarks buy subscription on:
1-2 video content based sites
1 webcam site
1 site from discountbuckspass or like that with small price ant tons of content.
And you can always bring surfer interesting places to leave money

The Ghost · 08-15-2006, 05:20 AM

Different styles of sites will have much different types of customer expectations.

Mega site
Niche
Micro niche
mega niche
Solo
Solo mega
all access passes
dvd download sites
etc. etc.

Because of this, the program's management will have varied business plans on a site by site basis (at least it should be), since perceived value from the customer will be different. It is ALWAYS about holding the consumers attention by seeing what turns them on and gets them off. Many producers get caught up in the numbers game and their perceived ideas of what will make money (normally by seeing what is "hot), and is often concepts that are already completely saturated.

The simple things, such as frequent, on time updates AS PROMISED is another crucial piece that most sites do not deliver on.

Have a solid base of original content (and not b.s throw away non exclusive bought content, unless that is what the site is based on), but enough to make the consumer feel they received value. There is NO SET AMOUNT. Ther are some of the big sites online that have no more than 20 scenes on them at any one time. But these are branded sites that have made a name for themselves by either a great idea, amazing content, or being first in a niche.

With certain sites, niche, specific model, etc., it's not about the quantity but the quality. People are signing up to see the concept and the visuals you presented. They ARE NOT signing up for the extras. And if they are enjoying the extras more than the original selling content, the program and sites have bigger problems to worry about.

Don't forget about the power of branding and having an ORIGINAL idea that captures the imagination. Producing vanilla porn is a difficult business. The amount of porn being produced is only increasing each year, and as the online and solid media adult markets are merging, coupled with international productions. Certain ethnic markets are over saturated, such as Eastern European models, and that has been for 10 years now. The times are always changing, and competition and choices for consumers will only increase.

Back on the amount of content... think of a DVD. Is a 4 or 8 hour DVD better than one with only 2 hours of content? Possibly.... but generally not. In fact, unless you've never seen a adult dvd before you might not even be able to jerk off to the longer running time DVD. It's longer because the quality is generally not there, and the producers of the title are purely trying to hit a price point. Is there anything wrong with that? Of course not. It fills a need in the market.

Too many times webmasters look for catch all magic numbers. There is no such thing, but is does make for a good exchange of information.

Paul Markham · 08-15-2006, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garywell

The surfers happy with the sites like www.1by-day.com. Everyday updates and etc... But not the webmasters. By finding the site of dream surfers stays there for months and refuses from other sites. The average paying surfer has subscription to 2-3 sites at the same time. So what is good for surfers not always good for webmaster profit

As for me, partner programs that have 20-30 sets sites updated on a weekly bases bring me more money. The idea to bring surfer FRESH sites work well - high ratio, 2-3 rebill enought if your bookmarks buy subscription on:
1-2 video content based sites
1 webcam site
1 site from discountbuckspass or like that with small price ant tons of content.
And you can always bring surfer interesting places to leave money

I agree with you about surfers loving updates, we put up new stuff every day and they are in devouring it as soon as we put it up. But not about them staying any longer. After a while they get bored with the same old thing.

But after 6 months they come back to see the new stuff and this is where the real money is, they stay as long as they did before. Some are coming back on their third visit.

Paul Markham · 08-15-2006, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost

Different styles of sites will have much different types of customer expectations.

Mega site
Niche
Micro niche
mega niche
Solo
Solo mega
all access passes
dvd download sites
etc. etc.

I'm talking mainstream sites. Like a teen site, MILF site or what ever.

Yes if it's a porn star it's special, if it's a nobody teen site it's just another solo girl site. Unless she is very special and with SG sites popping up almost daily I think the surfer will be pissed if it's 20 scenes unless she is pulling the stops out.

Again I agree with you if it's throw away bought in content, like www.bargainbasementcontent.com. But if it's bought in new stuff like www.adultczechcontent.com and matches what he joined for it's just porn. Good or bad.

And yes again I agree if the membership involves a membership to another site then that is part of the deal. So long as it's close to the original.

The Ghost · 08-15-2006, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm talking mainstream sites. Like a teen site, MILF site or what ever.

Yes if it's a porn star it's special, if it's a nobody teen site it's just another solo girl site. Unless she is very special and with SG sites popping up almost daily I think the surfer will be pissed if it's 20 scenes unless she is pulling the stops out.

Again I agree with you if it's throw away bought in content, like www.bargainbasementcontent.com. But if it's bought in new stuff like www.adultczechcontent.com and matches what he joined for it's just porn. Good or bad.

And yes again I agree if the membership involves a membership to another site then that is part of the deal. So long as it's close to the original.

It's all relative. The idea of "special" is in the eyes of the viewer... and there's most surely never been a definition of a "porn star". Any girl who's been in a single scene considers herself a "star." There's a few of the no name sologirls sites that blow the doors off of any named porn stars site. Plenty of softcore and non nude as well.

It goes to the expectation of members as to the content inside.... and value. But continuing to devalue content (from oversaturation) will be one of the things that will eliminate the profit in the industry... or to an extent move it to other sectors and reliance on other methods for cash flow.

The running joke in the adult DVD business is the only people making money are the replication companies. We'll be saying the same thing about hosting and software providers soon, at least as the direction of adult online progresses.

One thing is for sure, the end customer is in a great position for an amazing value regardless. Consider the average porn site membership is approximately the same price as a single adult DVD.... which on average has approximately 6 scenes. Compare that to the average paysite that has between 20-1000+ scenes over their network. Factor in the increasing size and quality of downloadable scenes, which can rival DVD. Which one is a better deal?

Roald · 08-15-2006, 09:21 AM

how many spammer should a surfer bbs have?

Oh wait thats one less already lol

Paul Markham · 08-15-2006, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuaShe

how many spammer should a surfer bbs have?

Oh wait thats one less already lol

How much of my bandwidth should you burn promoting your site?

You expect me to allow you to burn my bandwidth on your site and not let me post in reply to threads asking about girls on my site?

Well fuck you.

Paul Markham · 08-15-2006, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost

One thing is for sure, the end customer is in a great position for an amazing value regardless. Consider the average porn site membership is approximately the same price as a single adult DVD.... which on average has approximately 6 scenes. Compare that to the average paysite that has between 20-1000+ scenes over their network. Factor in the increasing size and quality of downloadable scenes, which can rival DVD. Which one is a better deal?

I agree with you the Internet is capable of delivering great value for money. Then why are conversion ratios falling? Or so I'm told.

Reak AGV · 08-15-2006, 10:42 AM

It depends on,

quanity vs. quality.
price of the site.
business type of the site owner.

flashfreak · 08-15-2006, 12:21 PM

entertaining the members can keep them from canceling...

you have to create a community, install polls ( which girl you like most, what else you want to see etc) , make them feel their opinion matters. start contests ( with my games of course :D ) giving away prizes like monthly memberships, t-shirts, mugs, caps etc etc.., setup weekly webcam shows with the most popular girls..

in few words: use your brain to make them spend more time on your site and they won't cancel ;)

Roald · 08-15-2006, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How much of my bandwidth should you burn promoting your site?

You expect me to allow you to burn my bandwidth on your site and not let me post in reply to threads asking about girls on my site?

Well fuck you.

Haha paul still upset about it huh, too bad you never got me those galleries I requested so we could promote your stuff a bit harder (and make some $$ together) after the first time I warned you about spamming our forum. That would have been an easier way to make money but you choose otherwise lol ;)))

Good luck with your site man hope it works out for you

Oh btw you were banned because you didn't follow our simple rules, not because you replied to a thread

Mr. Blue · 08-15-2006, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuaShe

Oh btw you were banned because you didn't follow our simple rules, not because you replied to a thread

Ahahaha, classic. I see Paul's spamology is the same no matter where he's posting.

Serge Litehead · 08-15-2006, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssp

Why not include a poll in your members area where you ask members:

How many video clips do you view each time you log in?
How many times a week do you login?

Then do your own maths..

in ideal world that statistical info collected from logs.

but polls have their place too in providing insightful feedback from your customers - what they wanna see in upcoming updates, was the last night's feature cam show any good, what kind of video formats they prefer and screen resolutions, etc.

Gunni · 08-15-2006, 01:42 PM

in my experience the surfers sign up because one scene from the tour or gallery has caught their eye, theyr'e never going to watch 50 scenes in a month let alone 400. Just as long as they have new scenes regularly they're happy.

50 scenes to start up with is fine if you ask me

GoodGuy · 08-15-2006, 03:38 PM

There is no such thing as how many scenes....

The best sites in the biz, update for ever. You can't leave one site with 500 scenes and never update again, because you won't get rebills. The guys who already downloaded all, and don't get updated, will definitely cancel their membership.

View Poll Results: How many scenes is fair for $30?
Minimum 50	10	32.26%
Minimum 100	5	16.13%
Minimum 200	5	16.13%
Minimum 300	1	3.23%
400 or above	10	32.26%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

08-14-2006, 11:40 PM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	How much content should a site have? To keep a surfer happy for a month after paying $30 Assuming the site is mainstream, nothing totally exceptional or crap. It can be a mix of exclusive or not. For me any site with less than 50 scenes is short changing surfers. A member who has just left a site with 500 scenes does not appreciate or give a damn if the site is new exclusive or anything. He just paid $30 for 500 and not is paying $30 for 40. He thinks he's been robbed. And I suspect most sponsors with small sites know that, as few tell the surfer what he's buying on the join page. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

08-15-2006, 12:39 AM	#6
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Affiliates don't forget this is about the product you sell, the thing that keeps members coming back to join again, stops them from think free clips on Worldsex are better value, PUT'S MONEY IN YOUR POCKET. Of course if you think putting up a site with 20 videos is the way forward then please post it here and tell us of your site so we can avoid it. How many sponsors tell affiliates how much content is inside the site? 1 x 21 minute WMV video 720 x 576 = 250 meg 400 = 100 gigs 1 Gig cost $0.10 Yes 4 videos costs 10 cents to deliver. That must break the bank of most sponsors. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

08-15-2006, 01:23 AM	#10
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	I think it's more about the frequency of updates, then the actual number of sets... 100 sets with a set added every day, I would think is better than 400 sets with a set added once a week... __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

08-15-2006, 01:25 AM	#11
flashfreak Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cloud number 9 Posts: 4,396	the content should be varied... vids and pics are everywhere. I'm not saying your content is everywhere, but people might get bored and cancel. add some interactivity, make them feel good with my games and you'll see they'll be happy :D __________________ SEO Mogul \| ICQ: 163671223

08-14-2006, 11:41 PM	#2
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	is there really a answer to that?

08-14-2006, 11:55 PM	#4
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	if surfer A says 100 vids, and surfer B says 1,000 ... then which is the right answer? so i still think... NO

08-15-2006, 01:14 AM	#8
Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	Waiting for this to turn into an infomercial for Paul Markhams paysite or his content store .....

08-15-2006, 03:05 AM	#15
Lykos Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: World Posts: 31,027	Hmm... really hard to say i know many ppl start sites wih 10 hardcore sceenes/photo sets (exclusive) and then regulary update it..thats a far as i know for exclsuive and reality stuff __________________

08-15-2006, 03:16 AM	#16
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	5 million video clips minimum , and you must have videos for every possible scenario http://com.webspacemania.com/video/Paul-Markham.htm __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

08-15-2006, 03:45 AM	#19
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	depends on the scarcity of the content. i've seen sites with under 50 scenes retain spectacularly - in htf niches. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

08-15-2006, 03:55 AM	#20
ssp Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,990	Why not include a poll in your members area where you ask members: How many video clips do you view each time you log in? How many times a week do you login? Then do your own maths..

08-15-2006, 05:20 AM	#22
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	Different styles of sites will have much different types of customer expectations. Mega site Niche Micro niche mega niche Solo Solo mega all access passes dvd download sites etc. etc. Because of this, the program's management will have varied business plans on a site by site basis (at least it should be), since perceived value from the customer will be different. It is ALWAYS about holding the consumers attention by seeing what turns them on and gets them off. Many producers get caught up in the numbers game and their perceived ideas of what will make money (normally by seeing what is "hot), and is often concepts that are already completely saturated. The simple things, such as frequent, on time updates AS PROMISED is another crucial piece that most sites do not deliver on. Have a solid base of original content (and not b.s throw away non exclusive bought content, unless that is what the site is based on), but enough to make the consumer feel they received value. There is NO SET AMOUNT. Ther are some of the big sites online that have no more than 20 scenes on them at any one time. But these are branded sites that have made a name for themselves by either a great idea, amazing content, or being first in a niche. With certain sites, niche, specific model, etc., it's not about the quantity but the quality. People are signing up to see the concept and the visuals you presented. They ARE NOT signing up for the extras. And if they are enjoying the extras more than the original selling content, the program and sites have bigger problems to worry about. Don't forget about the power of branding and having an ORIGINAL idea that captures the imagination. Producing vanilla porn is a difficult business. The amount of porn being produced is only increasing each year, and as the online and solid media adult markets are merging, coupled with international productions. Certain ethnic markets are over saturated, such as Eastern European models, and that has been for 10 years now. The times are always changing, and competition and choices for consumers will only increase. Back on the amount of content... think of a DVD. Is a 4 or 8 hour DVD better than one with only 2 hours of content? Possibly.... but generally not. In fact, unless you've never seen a adult dvd before you might not even be able to jerk off to the longer running time DVD. It's longer because the quality is generally not there, and the producers of the title are purely trying to hit a price point. Is there anything wrong with that? Of course not. It fills a need in the market. Too many times webmasters look for catch all magic numbers. There is no such thing, but is does make for a good exchange of information. __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join

08-15-2006, 09:21 AM	#26
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08-15-2006, 10:42 AM	#29
Reak AGV Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Unknown Posts: 4,283	It depends on, quanity vs. quality. price of the site. business type of the site owner. __________________ Need Mainstream Content and SEO? SEO * Website Copy * Blogs Blogging - PR Work - Forum Marketing - Social Marketing - Link building - Articles 100% Guaranteed Content!

08-15-2006, 12:21 PM	#30
flashfreak Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cloud number 9 Posts: 4,396	entertaining the members can keep them from canceling... you have to create a community, install polls ( which girl you like most, what else you want to see etc) , make them feel their opinion matters. start contests ( with my games of course :D ) giving away prizes like monthly memberships, t-shirts, mugs, caps etc etc.., setup weekly webcam shows with the most popular girls.. in few words: use your brain to make them spend more time on your site and they won't cancel ;) __________________ SEO Mogul \| ICQ: 163671223

08-15-2006, 01:42 PM	#34
Gunni Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 2,385	in my experience the surfers sign up because one scene from the tour or gallery has caught their eye, theyr'e never going to watch 50 scenes in a month let alone 400. Just as long as they have new scenes regularly they're happy. 50 scenes to start up with is fine if you ask me

08-15-2006, 03:38 PM	#35
GoodGuy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 881	There is no such thing as how many scenes.... The best sites in the biz, update for ever. You can't leave one site with 500 scenes and never update again, because you won't get rebills. The guys who already downloaded all, and don't get updated, will definitely cancel their membership.