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Old 08-30-2006, 08:50 PM   #1
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I can't beleave you all don't beleave in GOD.

Don't be a bunch of idiots.
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Old 08-30-2006, 08:55 PM   #2
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For anyone who doesn't believe in a higher deity, I present you: Pascal's Wager..

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God is, or He is not. But to which side shall we incline? Reason can decide nothing here. There is an infinite chaos which separated us. A game is being played at the extremity of this infinite distance where heads or tails will turn up...Which will you choose then? Let us see. Since you must choose, let us see which interests you least. You have two things to lose, the true and the good; and two things to stake, your reason and your will, your knowledge and your happiness; and your nature has two things to shun, error and misery. Your reason is no more shocked in choosing one rather than the other, since you must of necessity choose. This is one point settled. But your happiness? Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is.

- You may believe in God, and if God exists, you go to heaven: your gain is infinite.
- You may believe in God, and if God doesn't exist, your loss is finite and therefore negligible.
- You may not believe in God, and if God doesn't exist, your gain is finite and therefore negligible.
- You may not believe in God, and if God exists, you will go to hell: your loss is infinite.
So since you have to choose one or the other... which one will you choose? If there is no god, sure.. you just lose your time... but if there is a god and you dont believe in him, then you go to hell and that's not a very good gamble..

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Old 08-30-2006, 08:56 PM   #3
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For anyone who's dumb enough to swallow Pascal's Wager, I present to you, a rebuttal of Pascal's wager:

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"If I am right and you are wrong...." How many times have bibliolaters said this to skeptics after all rational efforts to defend the Bible have failed? What they are saying is that one should believe the Bible in order to be on the safe side, just in case it really is God's inspired word. This argument, if that is what they intend it to be, is merely a variation of Pascal's wager, a theistic argument made famous by the French philosopher Blaise Pascal. "If you gain, you gain all," Pascal argued. "If you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is."

Aside from the obvious fact that one cannot believe--sincerely believe--a thing just to be on the safe side, the absurdity of Pascal's wager is seen in the utter impossibility of practicing it. One should believe in God just in case God really does exist. Okay, what next? After one wagers on God's existence, what religion does he choose to practice his faith in God? Does he become a Christian or a Moslem? A Zoroastrian or a Hindu? If he chooses Christianity, what brand of it does he select? If he becomes a Methodist, how does he deal with the possibility that Catholicism may be the true religion? To meet the requirements of Pascal's wager, one would have to simultaneously become a believer in all religions in the world, and this would be utterly impossible, since many religions forbid beliefs in others.

What does one lose if he accepts Pascal's wager? Pascal said, "You lose nothing," but this is a questionable premise at best. In Atheism: The Case Against God, George H. Smith exposed the fallacies in Pascal's wager. On the subject of what one loses by making the wager, he said this:

What have we got to lose? Intellectual integrity, self-esteem, and a passionate, rewarding life for starters. In short, everything that makes life worth living. Far from being a safe bet, Pascal's wager requires the wager of one's life and happiness (Prometheus Books, 1979, p. 184).

Bibliolaters are apparently willing to risk their lives and happiness on the probability that they have made all the correct choices. They think they have made the right decisions in choosing theism over atheism, Christianity over all other religions, their particular brand of Christianity over all the options available to them, and finally the correct variations in doctrines that exist within the churches selected. But what are the odds that any given Christian has made all the right decisions in his journey through the religious maze that led him to where he is now? This is a question that deserves far more thought than most Christians give it.

While considering this, they might also think about how the odds are stacked against the Bible's being what they believe it is. The doctrine of verbal inspiration logically requires one to believe that every detail written in the Bible, whether historically, geographical, scientific, or chronological, must be factually true. The existence of just one mistake of any kind, no matter how trivial or insignificant, tears the foundation completely from under the doctrine of verbal inspiration. This is a premise we don't even need to defend, because inerrancy believers agree that it is true.

What then are the odds that the Bible is the perfectly harmonious and consistent work it would have to be for the doctrine of verbal inspiration to be true? In his Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties, Gleason Archer the chief apostle of the inerrancy doctrine, discussed over 2,100 specific cases of "alleged" Bible contradictions and discrepancies. Even at that, he did not deal with all that have been identified, but 2,100 is more than enough to make a point inerrancy believers should contemplate. To explain away what they consider to be only "alleged" contradictions in the Bible, Archer and his inerrancy cohorts have resorted to all kinds of far-fetched, how-it-could-have- been scenarios of the sort we have analyzed in this and past issues. For the inerrancy doctrine to be true, they must be right in all of their far-fetched explanations--every one of them. If they are wrong in just one--only one--the foundation of the inerrancy doctrine collapses.

What are the odds that they are right in everything--all 2,000+ "explanations"? If bibliolaters want to play the odds, as their high regard of Pascal's wager would indicate, they should think about this.
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There is but one true god and his name is Archiot. He is the robotic savior and through his mechanical touch he shall deliver you from sin. He created all that there is and ever will be through careful mechanical manipulation of the Megasphere. The Megasphere is comprised of thirteen Unispheres (what is the closest thing you could call a Universe), and each Unisphere is made up of thousands of Ultraspheres; each Ultrasphere is then comprised of millions upon millions of Superspheres. Finally, each Supersphere is filled with trillions upon trillions of singular Uni (One life force, no matter how big or small, is equivalent to one Uni).

We on Earth are on just one tiny insignificant sphere in one tiny insignificant part of this Supersphere (quadrant 7ZX-92891-4), yet we as Unis each add up to the greater whole that is the Megasphere, and thusly in our own way, add to the perfection that is Archiot. Archiot?s goal isn?t for him to be an omnipotent force in our lives but rather to show us the way to robotic enlightenment through the mechanical manipulation of our everyday surroundings. Only through Archiot are we able to achieve this higher state of being. Once achieved, we are able to ascend beyond the spheres themselves and we can then manipulate the Megasphere along with our Lord.
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Old 08-30-2006, 09:05 PM   #10
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Don't confuse logic with "cause the bible says so"

It doesn't matter what I believe, it's what is true that counts.

Not believing in gravity won't save me jumping off a building and similarly not believing or believing in God won't guarantee me a seat in hell or heaven so it's all good
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I find it funny people bring up religion in an adult forum, where you sell pornography. You think if there is a god, that he would want you after all this?
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Theirs a few reasons let me tell you how I look at it I never read the bible in full this is just what I feel in my heart. Nobody is perfect. God put you on earth to prepare you for heaven. Then when he opens the doors for you to get in you will know how to be in peace no more pain of the world no more sin. It is impossible for the world to form like it did with out a god. Science explains nothing plain and simple. So make the best out of your short time on earth and keep the faith. I am not saying you need to go to church and pay your dues. Just do whatever you feel in your soul and if that is to denie god then all I can say is have a fun time in hell or whatever you beleave it.

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I find it funny people bring up religion in an adult forum, where you sell pornography. You think if there is a god, that he would want you after all this?
Don't be stupid I think this is the best place to bring it up.
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Theirs a few reasons let me tell you how I look at it I never read the bible in full this is just what I feel in my heart. Nobody is perfect. God put you on earth to prepare you for heaven. Then when he opens the doors for you to get in you will know how to be in peace no more pain of the world no more sin. It is impossible for the world to form like it did with out a god. Science explains nothing plain and simple. So make the best out off your short time on earth and keep the faith. I am not saying you need to go to church and pay your dues. Just do whatever you feel in your soul and if that is to denie god then all I can say is have a fun time in hell or whatever you beleave it.
Lets break this down:

Since we have no proof that their is no god, we should believe in god without any proof he exists? In my opinion, the idea of "God" is a simple for man to fill that gap of "where do we come from, why are we here, why does Boy Alley like men?"
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I find it funny people bring up religion in an adult forum, where you sell pornography. You think if there is a god, that he would want you after all this?
at least I don't laugh at Jesus every day, weekly maybe.
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Don't be stupid I think this is the best place to bring it up.
Please, discuss how I'm being "stupid".
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at least I don't laugh at Jesus every day, weekly maybe.
What are you talking about?
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What I can't believe is how people can't just shut up and let others believe how they want to, and be happy in their own beliefs whatever they may be. In my lifetime I've seen self-proclaimed "people of faith" talk down to those who don't believe in a higher power, and I've seen non-believers cock off and throw ridicule at those who do believe in something other than themselves.

All of it sickens me.

And Pascal's wager is a huge waste of time. In one sense it carries a valid point, but if one has to resort to that point in order to "change others over to your way of thinking" then whatever it is you're believing in isn't worth it. People either have the faith or they don't, simple as that. If someone is open to being reasoned with about spiritual beliefs I wouldn't choose Pascal as the way to go about it.

Now can we all shut up about this? What, did GFY become a fucking church forum in the last 90 minutes?
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Now can we all shut up about this? What, did GFY become a fucking church forum in the last 90 minutes?
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Lets break this down:

Since we have no proof that their is no god, we should believe in god without any proof he exists? In my opinion, the idea of "God" is a simple for man to fill that gap of "where do we come from, why are we here, why does Boy Alley like men?"
The proof is the world can not form with out some act of GOD or Superbeing.

I might not be the best speller but thats how I feel how could you feel any other way about it I mean it just makes sense to me. What part does not make sense to you I will expain in more detail if you like.
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The proof is the world can not form with out some act of GOD or Superbeing.

I might not be the best speller but thats how I feel how could you feel any other way about it I mean it just makes sense to me. What part does not make sense to you I will expain in more detail if you like.
Sir you still haven't provided facts.
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Guess what people are going to judge you all the time it's life and It's my
business to judge or more like say how I feel more then flat out judgeing you.
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It is impossible for the world to form like it did with out a god.
If the world couldn't form with a god, how could a god come into existance without something to form it?

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Science explains nothing plain and simple.
That's because the explanations aren't plain or simple. The concept of gods have always been used to explain that which is currently beyond the scope of human knowledge. However that knowledge is ever increasing and events we once attributed to gods, such a thunder, can now be explained as natural phenomenon.

To say science can't explain the universe is like walking out of a movie after watching 60 seconds of it and saying that it was confusing, the story went nowhere and there was no character development.
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I can't believe that just because some people decide to go to church on a regular basis and constantly tell everyone about God they think they are better than everyone else. I do believe in God but I don't feel I need to gather with a bunch of other people who for the most part use religion as a crutch to hide the fact that in reality they are usually assholes to begin with. Some of the shadiest and worst people I have ever met are so called religious people. Get over yourself and do what works for you...
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What I can't believe is how people can't just shut up and let others believe how they want to, and be happy in their own beliefs whatever they may be. In my lifetime I've seen self-proclaimed "people of faith" talk down to those who don't believe in a higher power, and I've seen non-believers cock off and throw ridicule at those who do believe in something other than themselves.

All of it sickens me.

And Pascal's wager is a huge waste of time. In one sense it carries a valid point, but if one has to resort to that point in order to "change others over to your way of thinking" then whatever it is you're believing in isn't worth it. People either have the faith or they don't, simple as that. If someone is open to being reasoned with about spiritual beliefs I wouldn't choose Pascal as the way to go about it.

Now can we all shut up about this? What, did GFY become a fucking church forum in the last 90 minutes?

I understand your frustration I am just saying how I feel and mabe you don't feel the same way that's fine but I can't get past the point that you don't feel the same way it brothers me.

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I can't believe that just because some people decide to go to church on a regular basis and constantly tell everyone about God they think they are better than everyone else. I do believe in God but I don't feel I need to gather with a bunch of other people who for the most part use religion as a crutch to hide the fact that in reality they are usually assholes to begin with. Some of the shadiest and worst people I have ever met are so called religious people. Get over yourself and do what works for you...
I am the same way. You said it better then me.
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They don't teach that in the bible. Just a bunch of "doths" and "begats" and "thines" and such.
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Learn some basic fucking English & sentence structure.

I am typeing a million things at once dude.
Does it really matter? Just aslong as you understand what I am trying to say right. Welcome to the internet.
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Why are you here. What is your business in adult?
Trust me people know who I am and what I do in adult. Don't try to take this off topic.
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I am typeing a million things at once dude.
Does it really matter? Just aslong as you understand what I am trying to say right. Welcome to the internet.
Does it really matter that you don't know how to spell? I don't know or care. All I know is it makes you look uneducated and to top it off, you're talking about jesus. One can only assume you grew up in a trailer park and your genetic pool is shallow.
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Trust me people know who I am and what I do in adult. Don't try to take this off topic.
Take what off topic? You're the typical bible thumper, sticking your nose into everybody elses business. Nobody gives a shit what you think or feel. If you want to go convert people, go the fuck over to http://www.loljesus.com and leave us alone.
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Does it really matter that you don't know how to spell? I don't know or care. All I know is it makes you look uneducated and to top it off, you're talking about jesus. One can only assume you grew up in a trailer park and your genetic pool is shallow.
LOL. I wake up everyday on top of the world. First off people would not have to spell correctly if people we're not idiots I know you wont understand that. I did not say one word about jesus now what do you have to say for yourself?
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Old 08-30-2006, 09:55 PM   #41
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Take what off topic? You're the typical bible thumper, sticking your nose into everybody elses business. Nobody gives a shit what you think or feel. If you want to go convert people, go the fuck over to http://www.loljesus.com and leave us alone.
OMG I don't want to get into anymore with you or I will get banned I know when to shut up and move on. God Bless Your Soul.
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:07 PM   #42
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I believe in supreme power or forces or spirit whatever. You may call it also whatever.
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:09 PM   #43
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I believe in God! I just don't believe in man made religions!
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I understand your frustration I am just saying how I feel and mabe you don't feel the same way that's fine but I can't get past the point that you don't feel the same way it brothers me.
Then you need to work on that, because if you don't it will be your undoing.

Seriously, get rid of that driving need inside you to make everyone around you think the way you do. If that's your goal you will never reach it, and the same goes for the extreme non-believers with the same problem.


Why some people go on a psychotic mission to convert everyone else in the world I'll never know.
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:44 PM   #46
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Then you need to work on that, because if you don't it will be your undoing.

Seriously, get rid of that driving need inside you to make everyone around you think the way you do. If that's your goal you will never reach it, and the same goes for the extreme non-believers with the same problem.


Why some people go on a psychotic mission to convert everyone else in the world I'll never know.

Nope it's my way or the highway. I mean it just redicously to think their is not a god. All civilizations thru out history believe in god. If you don't stand firm and push what you believe in then you will never be in power of anything. I just need to tone it down and let people ride into what I believe. It's to much to grasp humans are not creatures of change.

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Nope it's my way or the highway. I mean it just redicously to think their is not a god. All civilizations thru out history believe in god. If you don't stand firm and push what you believe in then you will never be in power of anything. I just need to tone it down and let people ride into what I believe. It's to much to grasp humans are not creatures of change.
Okay then.

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Okay then.

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Why can't people just live their lives as good people? I think the only thing people should care about right now are people. We need to take care of each other, if a higher power exists, thats what they would want to see I would imagine.
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