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DVTimes · 09-15-2006, 05:08 PM

Do you support xpays? or do you think they are just being greedy?

After all the tape has been out now and is all over the net free anyway.

squishypimp · 09-15-2006, 05:09 PM

nah its their rights they deserve some sort of royalties

Adult Warden · 09-15-2006, 05:09 PM

Yes Adult Warden supports XPays enforcing their copyright ownership

Adult Warden · 09-15-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by allanuk

After all the tape has been out now and is all over the net free anyway.

Everything is available for free online...Doesn't mean its legal...

Check out www.torrentspy.com - There is paris's video there...There is also windows...and office...and scripts...Doesn't mean its okay

Tempest · 09-15-2006, 05:12 PM

XPays winning would kill all celeb sites, all blogs etc. etc.. you would no longer be able to post anything "news worthy" etc... So no..

Adult Warden · 09-15-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

XPays winning would kill all celeb sites, all blogs etc. etc.. you would no longer be able to post anything "news worthy" etc... So no..

How would it kill them? Not allowing them to act like they have the video and not? If they are providing the video for sale thru Xpays then its allowed? Seems pretty simple to me?

I don't see how it has a impact other then keeping people from being able to make money off copyrighted content that they have no rights to

Far-L · 09-15-2006, 05:14 PM

As a content company owner I wholeheartedly support Xpays. The videos are owned. Just because they were pirated doesn't make it right for those who profit through illegetimate publication/endorsement of them.

BigRod · 09-15-2006, 05:15 PM

I totally agree, copywrite law must be upheld!

DVTimes · 09-15-2006, 05:16 PM

Surly this tape is not the same as content you make.

This was home made.

Its also been out a while.

Tempest · 09-15-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Adult Warden

How would it kill them? Not allowing them to act like they have the video and not? If they are providing the video for sale thru Xpays then its allowed? Seems pretty simple to me?

I don't see how it has a impact other then keeping people from being able to make money off copyrighted content that they have no rights to

If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.

LiveDose · 09-15-2006, 05:21 PM

As business owners they are entitled to defend any copyrighted material which they own the rights to. And yes as long as the owners have never ever illegally downloaded any copyrighted mp3's or movies then yes I support them.

After Shock Media · 09-15-2006, 05:26 PM

I need a third option. Unsure.

I support copyright ownership and the ability to profit or not off of it.
I also support that fair usage should be upheld for the partial use (clip, story, review, so forth) of newsworthy items and or celebrities. Even if the reviewer does not send sales, traffic, or pay royalties to copyright holder. Though I feel they would be liable if they sent traffic to someone else who did not hold the copyright and sold them the video.

Adult Warden · 09-15-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.

Even in this situation...Why would you not link to Xpays in reference to where to get the video? If not even to make the sale but a place to get the video.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-15-2006, 05:31 PM

I don't know all of the details of the case, however I don't think this is a frivilous lawsuit inasmuch as Evan (Xpays) has made it abundantly (and redundently) clear, that Xpays will go after copyright violaters - they provided plenty of fair warning.

When you dabble in the gray area, be prepared, and when you get into the darker areas, look out.

I think you would be hard pressed to find many content creators who believe copyright infringement is okay, and the same is probably true for most people that own or are granted rights through the licensing of copyrighted content.

Kind of hard to operate a business if everyone is stealing your content and reaping profits that rightfully belong to you.

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OldSchoolJim · 09-15-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.

Good riddance i say....i think you should have to pay a royalty...i hardly think people are writing "news" about the clips anyhow....after all...why not just write about it...do you really "need" to show it??

pocketkangaroo · 09-15-2006, 05:34 PM

I support his right to go after people. If he took the risk in paying big bucks for it, he should be the only ones profiting from it. I do think his gloating about lawsuits and scare tactics do scare away potential affiliates.

selena · 09-15-2006, 05:35 PM

Based on my limited knowledge of the situation, I'd have to say that yes, I do support xpays.

sicone · 09-15-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.

What???

hmmm, how about sending all the traffic from that to the sponsor who owns the content.

Doesnt seem like that hard of a concept to me.

And yes, I 100% support Xpays in this

scottybuzz · 09-15-2006, 05:40 PM

I see it pretty black and white really.

Xpays own the video

Other businesses were selling the video without xpays permission via there own billing.

Say I had gone and ripped mrskin etc website and copied the code and made a complete copy. Would this be allowed ? no. They have copyright over it.

Same with xpays.

Just because this video is majorly popular does not make the law all the colours of the rainbow.

I laugh at some of the hypocricy, that when someone steals someones normal porn content. all hell is blown loose on the forums and everyone agrees with the original content holder and calls the other a theif and a scammer.

Same with xpays, they own the fucking video! therefore noone should copy it.

I do not see how some people on this board are sticking up for those at fault.

quite beyond me.

Adult Warden · 09-15-2006, 05:40 PM

I am really surprised and bothered by the poll results thus far

scottybuzz · 09-15-2006, 05:42 PM

I also believe xpays have gone the right way about this aswell. They warned people before hand. they made threats and thankfully they have gone through with those threats. Good riddance to theifs, whoever they may be.

scottybuzz · 09-15-2006, 05:42 PM

^ The judge will decide if they are guilty or not though

SomeCreep · 09-15-2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk

Do you support xpays? or do you think they are just being greedy?

After all the tape has been out now and is all over the net free anyway.

What's the point of making the poll public? So no one votes?

Pretty smart, not.

Adult Warden · 09-15-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

What's the point of making the poll public? So no one votes?

Pretty smart, not.

Damn I just noticed that...Interesting to see who voted which tho

Adult Warden · 09-15-2006, 05:46 PM

Does this mean we can rip the content of the sites of the people who voted no?

scottybuzz · 09-15-2006, 05:49 PM

hahahaha wouldnt they keep up a fuss at that adult warden lol!

Ive had a few people comment on my site foxyreviews at how I have brooke skye etc on there and how the owners could easily sue me, but I got permission first

always a smart thing to do

Tempest · 09-15-2006, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adult Warden

Even in this situation...Why would you not link to Xpays in reference to where to get the video? If not even to make the sale but a place to get the video.

So every person out there that runs a blog and posts about it with screen captures and maybe a video clip should be forced to sign up to XPays first? Even if they're primarily mainstream? What about new agencies?? Is XPays going to make every news agency out there pay them or put up links to them for using the term "Hotel Heiress"? This lawsuit opens up more issues than just copyright infrigement.

Tempest · 09-15-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EpicJim

...why not just write about it...do you really "need" to show it??

You're smarter than that.

Tempest · 09-15-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

What's the point of making the poll public? So no one votes?

Pretty smart, not.

Didn't notice that.. That's going to push it to one side and end up not being truly representative.

scottybuzz · 09-15-2006, 06:00 PM

ahh tempest has a good point. maybe my point is not so clear cut

Barefootsies · 09-15-2006, 06:33 PM

I agree they should have the right to enforce their copyright on it.

I think it's been made clear for a long time that this video, much like Playboy, Perfect 10, and Suz Randall are shit you need to stay away from (amung others).

However, I do not agree with the way this is being blown up into a huge issue. It's going to send a ripple effect to others who are int he celebrity niche, even those NOT in hardcore.

It reminds me of the stuff with the RIAA a few years back.

I'm not saying the Xpays should not enforce it. Nor that they do not have the rights, because they obviously do. I just do not agree with the broader implications this brings.

Brujah · 09-15-2006, 08:04 PM

I'm split 50/50 for several reasons, and I think they could handle it much better and make a lot more money. However, I hesitate to do much business with them and am constantly reconsidering it because they are always trying to sue someone, always threatening people, including affiliates, getting their own affiliates pages DMCA'd, etc.. It's just EASIER to avoid them and their program, and easier to stop finding traffic to send them.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 09-15-2006, 08:19 PM

I support them 100%.

baddog · 09-15-2006, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest

XPays winning would kill all celeb sites, all blogs etc. etc.. you would no longer be able to post anything "news worthy" etc... So no..

why do you think that?

ronbotx · 09-15-2006, 08:28 PM

Oh... is this the same Xpays that Microsoft sued for spamming? Perhaps this "law and order" company can tell us how thats going?

http://207.46.19.60/presspass/press/...rcementfs.mspx

baddog · 09-15-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by allanuk

Its also been out a while.

not so long that the copyright has expired

Adult Warden · 09-15-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx

Oh... is this the same Xpays that Microsoft sued for spamming? Perhaps this "law and order" company can tell us how thats going?

http://207.46.19.60/presspass/press/...rcementfs.mspx

So...since they got sued they can't sue others?

baddog · 09-15-2006, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest

If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.

you think as an affiliate they are going to deny allowing you to use their sponsor content?

baddog · 09-15-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Adult Warden

I am really surprised and bothered by the poll results thus far

Only one name surprises me, and I sure wish he would post his opinion . . especially since he sells content.

nico-t · 09-15-2006, 08:33 PM

this poll is useless...

baddog · 09-15-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Adult Warden

Does this mean we can rip the content of the sites of the people who voted no?

SomeCreep · 09-15-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

this poll is useless...

yeah, all politics

baddog · 09-15-2006, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest

So every person out there that runs a blog and posts about it with screen captures and maybe a video clip should be forced to sign up to XPays first? Even if they're primarily mainstream? What about new agencies?? Is XPays going to make every news agency out there pay them or put up links to them for using the term "Hotel Heiress"? This lawsuit opens up more issues than just copyright infrigement.

What news agency is going to be talking about Hotel Heiress or posting images?

baddog · 09-15-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

You're smarter than that.

You obviously aren't.

Brujah · 09-15-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EpicJim

Good riddance i say....i think you should have to pay a royalty...i hardly think people are writing "news" about the clips anyhow....after all...why not just write about it...do you really "need" to show it??

Playboy did. Do you feel they shouldn't have either?

RawAlex · 09-15-2006, 08:49 PM

I can't remember Evan and I agreeing on much of anything. I haven't been a fan of some of his business, umm, "concepts" in the past, so we aren't exactly on the same page.

To an extent, the idea of legal action in this particular case is good. Exclusivity of license is an important issue, and rights holders need to agressively and jealously protect those rights.

However, specifically in the case of Mr Skin, well, I am not seeing the same application here. Mostly for the reasons that all of Mr Skin's content is lifted from other sources, and from companies with MUCH deeper pockets and stars to protect. However, judging from the specific lack of action on the behlf of the studios to get their copyrighted material removed suggests to me that there is a reason, maybe a legal angle that protects them.

I think all of the others look pretty cut and dry, if Xpays is the only license holder, and they have not granted a license to anyone else (or have granted limited license that doesn't allow redistribution) than I think they are pretty much good to go.

Of course, they might also want to try to sue the usenet and every ISP and company that distributes it, because the hilton video is "out there".

Tempest · 09-15-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You obviously aren't.

I forgot how you just post questions or make blanket statements (with no substance to them) without actually saying anything intelligent in attempt to stir up some shit...

Tempest · 09-15-2006, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

However, judging from the specific lack of action on the behlf of the studios to get their copyrighted material removed suggests to me that there is a reason, maybe a legal angle that protects them.

Freedom of speech typically trumps copyright... Of course it depends on the application etc.

Solid Bob · 09-15-2006, 09:28 PM

Looks like I jumped the gun. I said yes but that is only if they were actually selling the video. I see MrSkin says they just did a review and if they are getting sued for that it's pathetic.

Juicy D. Links · 09-15-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx

Oh... is this the same Xpays that Microsoft sued for spamming? Perhaps this "law and order" company can tell us how thats going?

http://207.46.19.60/presspass/press/...rcementfs.mspx

pot calling the kettle????????

funny coming from one of the wanna be spammers on this board

09-15-2006, 05:08 PM	#1
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09-15-2006, 05:09 PM	#2
squishypimp PostMaster General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,781	nah its their rights they deserve some sort of royalties __________________ Signature For Sale

09-15-2006, 05:14 PM	#7
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	As a content company owner I wholeheartedly support Xpays. The videos are owned. Just because they were pirated doesn't make it right for those who profit through illegetimate publication/endorsement of them. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

09-15-2006, 05:15 PM	#8
BigRod Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 3,685	I totally agree, copywrite law must be upheld! __________________ Rod Macdonald Mainstream Ad Agency Owner ICQ: 607306

09-15-2006, 05:16 PM	#9
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09-15-2006, 05:09 PM	#3
Adult Warden So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,822	Yes Adult Warden supports XPays enforcing their copyright ownership

09-15-2006, 05:12 PM	#5
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	XPays winning would kill all celeb sites, all blogs etc. etc.. you would no longer be able to post anything "news worthy" etc... So no..

09-15-2006, 05:21 PM	#11
LiveDose Show Yer Tits! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Out there... Posts: 25,792	As business owners they are entitled to defend any copyrighted material which they own the rights to. And yes as long as the owners have never ever illegally downloaded any copyrighted mp3's or movies then yes I support them. __________________ Scammer Alert: acer19 acer [email protected] [email protected] Money stolen using PayPal

09-15-2006, 05:26 PM	#12
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I need a third option. Unsure. I support copyright ownership and the ability to profit or not off of it. I also support that fair usage should be upheld for the partial use (clip, story, review, so forth) of newsworthy items and or celebrities. Even if the reviewer does not send sales, traffic, or pay royalties to copyright holder. Though I feel they would be liable if they sent traffic to someone else who did not hold the copyright and sold them the video. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

09-15-2006, 05:31 PM	#14
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	I don't know all of the details of the case, however I don't think this is a frivilous lawsuit inasmuch as Evan (Xpays) has made it abundantly (and redundently) clear, that Xpays will go after copyright violaters - they provided plenty of fair warning. When you dabble in the gray area, be prepared, and when you get into the darker areas, look out. I think you would be hard pressed to find many content creators who believe copyright infringement is okay, and the same is probably true for most people that own or are granted rights through the licensing of copyrighted content. Kind of hard to operate a business if everyone is stealing your content and reaping profits that rightfully belong to you. ADG Webmaster __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

09-15-2006, 05:34 PM	#16
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I support his right to go after people. If he took the risk in paying big bucks for it, he should be the only ones profiting from it. I do think his gloating about lawsuits and scare tactics do scare away potential affiliates.

09-15-2006, 05:35 PM	#17
selena Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On The Edge Posts: 7,994	Based on my limited knowledge of the situation, I'd have to say that yes, I do support xpays. __________________ ~ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Where Flawless Beauty Meets Art ~The MetArt Network ~ selena.delgado9

09-15-2006, 05:40 PM	#19
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	I see it pretty black and white really. Xpays own the video Other businesses were selling the video without xpays permission via there own billing. Say I had gone and ripped mrskin etc website and copied the code and made a complete copy. Would this be allowed ? no. They have copyright over it. Same with xpays. Just because this video is majorly popular does not make the law all the colours of the rainbow. I laugh at some of the hypocricy, that when someone steals someones normal porn content. all hell is blown loose on the forums and everyone agrees with the original content holder and calls the other a theif and a scammer. Same with xpays, they own the fucking video! therefore noone should copy it. I do not see how some people on this board are sticking up for those at fault. quite beyond me. __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

09-15-2006, 05:42 PM	#21
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	I also believe xpays have gone the right way about this aswell. They warned people before hand. they made threats and thankfully they have gone through with those threats. Good riddance to theifs, whoever they may be. __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

09-15-2006, 05:46 PM	#25
Adult Warden So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,822	Does this mean we can rip the content of the sites of the people who voted no?

09-15-2006, 05:49 PM	#26
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	hahahaha wouldnt they keep up a fuss at that adult warden lol! Ive had a few people comment on my site foxyreviews at how I have brooke skye etc on there and how the owners could easily sue me, but I got permission first always a smart thing to do __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

09-15-2006, 06:00 PM	#30
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	ahh tempest has a good point. maybe my point is not so clear cut __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

09-15-2006, 06:33 PM	#31
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	I agree they should have the right to enforce their copyright on it. I think it's been made clear for a long time that this video, much like Playboy, Perfect 10, and Suz Randall are shit you need to stay away from (amung others). However, I do not agree with the way this is being blown up into a huge issue. It's going to send a ripple effect to others who are int he celebrity niche, even those NOT in hardcore. It reminds me of the stuff with the RIAA a few years back. I'm not saying the Xpays should not enforce it. Nor that they do not have the rights, because they obviously do. I just do not agree with the broader implications this brings. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

09-15-2006, 08:04 PM	#32
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	I'm split 50/50 for several reasons, and I think they could handle it much better and make a lot more money. However, I hesitate to do much business with them and am constantly reconsidering it because they are always trying to sue someone, always threatening people, including affiliates, getting their own affiliates pages DMCA'd, etc.. It's just EASIER to avoid them and their program, and easier to stop finding traffic to send them. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

09-15-2006, 08:19 PM	#33
Mr.Right - Banned For Life I guarantee it Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 18,314	I support them 100%.

09-15-2006, 08:28 PM	#35
ronbotx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,634	Oh... is this the same Xpays that Microsoft sued for spamming? Perhaps this "law and order" company can tell us how thats going? http://207.46.19.60/presspass/press/...rcementfs.mspx

09-15-2006, 08:33 PM	#40
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	this poll is useless...

09-15-2006, 08:49 PM	#46
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I can't remember Evan and I agreeing on much of anything. I haven't been a fan of some of his business, umm, "concepts" in the past, so we aren't exactly on the same page. To an extent, the idea of legal action in this particular case is good. Exclusivity of license is an important issue, and rights holders need to agressively and jealously protect those rights. However, specifically in the case of Mr Skin, well, I am not seeing the same application here. Mostly for the reasons that all of Mr Skin's content is lifted from other sources, and from companies with MUCH deeper pockets and stars to protect. However, judging from the specific lack of action on the behlf of the studios to get their copyrighted material removed suggests to me that there is a reason, maybe a legal angle that protects them. I think all of the others look pretty cut and dry, if Xpays is the only license holder, and they have not granted a license to anyone else (or have granted limited license that doesn't allow redistribution) than I think they are pretty much good to go. Of course, they might also want to try to sue the usenet and every ISP and company that distributes it, because the hilton video is "out there".

09-15-2006, 09:28 PM	#49
Solid Bob Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Easy Webcam Pro Posts: 1,213	Looks like I jumped the gun. I said yes but that is only if they were actually selling the video. I see MrSkin says they just did a review and if they are getting sued for that it's pathetic. __________________ [email protected]