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baddog · 09-29-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by psili

I'd get the hell out of the US and not step foot in it again unless your a citizen (well, until this law applies to citizens too, or you're a US citizn who likes to give charitable donations to Islamic and Muslim organizations).

have a link?

psili · 09-29-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

have a link?

My quote was from a Washington Post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092801763.html

My part of the post was just conjecture, which I'll gladly admit.
*shrug*

E$_manager · 09-29-2006, 10:15 AM

Don't they have innocence presumption in US?

justsexxx · 09-29-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dvd316

This thinking is exactly why many European countries are now being run by the Middle East. One day you will wake up.

Again, Europe is not a country...You can't compare all countries within Europe as one nation...And run by the middle east. Lol you are to funny....Ever watched another channel/paper than Bush brainwashing times?

pornpf69 · 09-29-2006, 10:18 AM

americans are morons!!!
the proof: they have elected Bush to be their president, they have elected Arnold to be the Governor of California.....let me stop here....

justsexxx · 09-29-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

first off torture doesnt work and secondly considering the large amount of people that they are holding did nothing wrong makes it more of a problem.Thirdly do you want these things done to our guys, we do it it sets the standard.

Thanks good to see some ppl on GFY with brains

elron · 09-29-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

Lol lol, and what if you torture them, but they are NOT terrorists....They are SUSPECTS...That means it's not proven yet they ARE terrorists...

If they would keep me awke for days, undercool me etc...Maybe I would say I was Bin Laden, just to et some sleep....

THAT IS THE problem....

It only matter how important is to suck the information from the suspect . and it might sound harsh , but imagine this situation : a terror group threats amsterdam with nuclear attack unless they all convert to some other religion , and you have a suspect that might tell you the location of the bomb. Would you then turture him in order to save the lives of your million fellow residents in the netherlands or not ?
I gave such extreme example not because i think it may happen one day , but to demostrate you that sometime in life you dont really have a simple choice , and sometimes you have to negociate your own values in order to survive .

In U.S matter i think it's not justified to treat suspects this way while waving the 'war on terror' flag , unless the situation might save many other lives , so then again - there is no simple answer for that .

psili · 09-29-2006, 10:23 AM

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WASHINGTON, Sept. 24 — When the United States sent Maher Arar to Syria, where he was tortured for months, the deportation order stated unequivocally that Mr. Arar, a Canadian software engineer, was a member of Al Qaeda. But a few days earlier, Canadian investigators had told the F.B.I. that they had not been able to link him to the terrorist group.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/25/wo...as/25arar.html

Come'on. That's just fucked up. Dude was flying home to Canada, nabbed in the US and flown to Syria without any due process.
Fucked up.

directfiesta · 09-29-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

gotta link?

I believe that they release people who "were no longer a threat" these people were picked up off the battle field.

From today's paper ....
same pattern as with Germany ...

You hate somebody? You owe them money ? Rat them out as a terrorist and pass go ... Colect 5000$US....

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100n...name_page.html

directfiesta · 09-29-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Yep, I would suggest not fucking with us or we will turn the thermostat down.

I must admit .. this made me laugh ....

directfiesta · 09-29-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pornpf69

americans are morons!!!
the proof: they have elected Bush to be their president, they have elected Arnold to be the Governor of California.....let me stop here....

Don't insult Arnold ... by comparing to Bush ....

TSGlider · 09-29-2006, 11:01 AM

Please stop using the word "Freedom" to defend the current administration's actions.

It's nothing but branding, no more substantive than "Coke adds life" or "I'm Lovin' It" or doubting that W. doesn't know how to pronounce, "Nuclear."

Whether you view this bill, and many of this admin's actions since 9/11, as prudent or troubling--and we can all watch our polarized citizens debate this point until November ad nauseum--they're not about freedom, they're about national security. And if you want the most secure society possible, you must be willing to sacrifice freedoms and liberties.

Bottom Line: Some of us think these sacrifices are warranted; Some of us do not.

kenny · 09-29-2006, 12:28 PM

There is worse conditions in civilian prisons both domestic and foreign.

The only reason why people are crying about this so called 'torture' is because it's receiving so much attention

gooddomains · 09-29-2006, 12:31 PM

we need more peace

kenny · 09-29-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

We need to follow the Geneva Convention ..... that means shooting any enemy prisoner found in the uniform of another country, or civilian clothes.

That solves the torture issue ... and as torture goes we are on the "discomfort" side of the scale.

Illegal combatants aren't uniformed enemy soliders or civilians.

For example spies can be executed on the battlefield without breaking Geneva convention.

GrouchyAdmin · 09-29-2006, 12:42 PM

Holy shit, someone just tried to kill me - and now I get to turn up the AC and rattle the bars to disturb his rest? SOMEBODY CALL PETA!

GrouchyAdmin · 09-29-2006, 12:51 PM

Just for clarification - I've had it worse when I was paying for the right of such things - they're called roommates..

DWB · 09-29-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Ahaha It's a wonder any of you morons are still living in America. The irony is i'm sure the majority of you do, yet you bitch, yet you're still here. Give your liberal (everybody is equal) rhetoric a rest, nobody cares.

<<< This moron is a proud ex-pat.

The Demon · 09-29-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pornpf69

americans are morons!!!
the proof: they have elected Bush to be their president, they have elected Arnold to be the Governor of California.....let me stop here....

username:porn
intelligence:none

I won't call you a complete moron just because youre in south america where the main economic product is cocaine. I'll just call you a moron for the ignorant statement you made..
On another note, it's amazing how this country allows some of you dickweeds to live in it. Why don't you be thankful that they allow you to lead pathetic low class lives in the porn industry.

The Demon · 09-29-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

<<< This moron is a proud ex-pat.

Says yet another lowlife with no common sense.

tranza · 09-29-2006, 01:28 PM

You guys don't realise, but the US has put away their democracy for a long while now.

Counting the days until you guys loose freedom of speech.

The Demon · 09-29-2006, 01:29 PM

Again, I'd rather live in the greatest country on earth rather than a poor continent surviving on cocaine.

Splum · 09-29-2006, 01:30 PM

I wish I could "torture" some of you

Dvae · 09-29-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elron

It only matter how important is to suck the information from the suspect . and it might sound harsh , but imagine this situation : a terror group threats amsterdam with nuclear attack .

Uhhh, I have to stop ya there.
Because we know they would never do that.

.

PuffSex · 09-29-2006, 02:21 PM

torture is cool

12clicks · 09-29-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

From today's paper ....
same pattern as with Germany ...

You hate somebody? You owe them money ? Rat them out as a terrorist and pass go ... Colect 5000$US....

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100n...name_page.html

a UK news article where your only proof is the spouting off of some amnesty international clown?

um, ok.

justsexxx · 09-29-2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

username:porn
intelligence:none

I won't call you a complete moron just because youre in south america where the main economic product is cocaine. I'll just call you a moron for the ignorant statement you made..
On another note, it's amazing how this country allows some of you dickweeds to live in it. Why don't you be thankful that they allow you to lead pathetic low class lives in the porn industry.

Ahh I guess you are right. Bush is a very good and smart president...And so is Mister I'll be back....

And they might make a lot of cocaine...But you know what country they export to?

JasonB · 09-29-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

Lol America goes back to the year 1400 under Bush....

Torture is allowed now...

Actually it takes us back to the year 1214

OG LennyT · 09-29-2006, 03:37 PM

this thread is funny

Lazonby · 09-29-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by scardog

The best way to avoid us going medieval on your ass is not to do some terrorist ass shit. Just think, if Osama hadn't had his boys fly those planes in our buildings, they wouldn't be forced to listen to Britney Spears, and kept up past their bedtimes (tortured).

stickyfingerz · 09-29-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dvd316

this thread is funny

I giggled alot.

Then I called my lawyer cause our babysitter was playing Red hot chilli peppers a bit too loud, and had turned the AC on without asking me. This is fuckin torture...

directfiesta · 09-29-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

a UK news article where your only proof is the spouting off of some amnesty international clown?

um, ok.

No point in posting other links, even tough this story has been front news in many UAS papers...

How about telling me which sources are acceptable to you and your kind... Let's say a small list of 5 ...

justsexxx · 09-30-2006, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I giggled alot.

Then I called my lawyer cause our babysitter was playing Red hot chilli peppers a bit too loud, and had turned the AC on without asking me. This is fuckin torture...

You are so funny

Odin · 09-30-2006, 02:01 AM

Oh, and for all you Eurocommunist idiots, I thought I'd let you know that it is official, Europe (and yes I am talking about Europe as a whole as the EU has laws supporting this) is now officially as bad as North Korea with regards to free speech.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...357865,00.html

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He is expected to face charges of conspiring to justify war crimes and to deny Nazi crimes against humanity, both violations of France's Holocaust denial legislation. If found guilty, he faces up to five years in prison and a ?45,000 (£30,600) fine. ...

[He] was quoted saying: "In France, at least, the German occupation was not particularly inhumane, although there were some blunders, inevitable in a country of 550,000 sq km."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3995341.stm

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Belgium's highest court has ruled that the country's Flemish nationalist party, the Vlaams Blok, is racist.

The decision means that Europe's most successful far-right party will be forced to disband - and re-form under a new name.

A quarter of voters in Flanders, the Dutch-speaking northern half of Belgium, support its policies - independence from Belgium and repatriation of immigrants, especially Muslims.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/stor...86&p=y9438439z

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In February, a Vienna state court sentenced Irving to three years in prison for denying the Holocaust, a crime in Austria.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/..._Far_Right.php

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The inclusion of the Freedom Party in Austria's government after its 1999 election success sparked months of EU sanctions because of concerns over Haider statements perceived as anti-Semitic and sympathetic to Nazi Germany's labor policies under Adolf Hitler.

I can go on all day. At least in the USA all of these cases would of been protected under their constitution. Certainly the USA isn't perfect, and certainly its current leaders aren't great, but Europe has alot to answer for too. Your continent is also ruled by a bunch of elitists who really don't give a flying fuck about what the people want, or free speech. Who really wants Turkey in the EU? Yet I guarantee they get there.

Roald · 09-30-2006, 02:21 AM

This thread is so stupid its not even funny anymore.

Oh just 1 thing, the US the best country in the world? Bwahahahahaa..its not bad but the best? bwahahaha

s9ann0 · 09-30-2006, 03:56 AM

don't be daft everyone knows you need to torture and spy on people to get to the truth to protect people from the terrorists and give them the freedom of democracy!

Fizzgig · 09-30-2006, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by spanno

don't be daft everyone knows you need to torture and spy on people to get to the truth to protect people from the terrorists and give them the freedom of democracy!

It's especially important to torture and spy on the people whose freedom you're trying to protect, in case they try to exercise their freedom.

s9ann0 · 09-30-2006, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Fizzgig

It's especially important to torture and spy on the people whose freedom you're trying to protect, in case they try to exercise their freedom.

Not exactly! its to protect their right to exercise their freedom from the terrorists

s9ann0 · 09-30-2006, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by QuaShe

This thread is so stupid its not even funny anymore.

Oh just 1 thing, the US the best country in the world? Bwahahahahaa..its not bad but the best? bwahahaha

Listen up all you euro trashes! George Bush could press a button in a suitcase out on the golf course and fly a nuclear holocaust right up your butthole if he wanted to! so watch it with this anti-us talk!

jayeff · 09-30-2006, 04:32 AM

What this issue illustrates best is how superficial are most peoples' principles and beliefs and - as Joseph Goebels pointed out at Nuremberg - how easily led people are.

Of course when you are under threat it is easy to rationalize doing whatever it takes to get information which may lessen or remove that threat. But this is the exact same rationalization which we have rejected in the past when used by others. Nor need this be just about gathering information: a case could be made (again as in the past many have made it) that ill-treating prisoners - perhaps not taking prisoners at all - acts as a deterrent. You could extend both principles to non-war situations.

I care a great deal less about the nature of someone's principles, than that they actually have principles and are willing to stand by them in any circumstances. There are few things less edifying than realizing so many people have such little self-respect that reality proves over and over that in fact they have no principles of their own at all: that their thought processes, on everything from which TV programs to watch through to whether or not it is okay to torture prisoners, are so easily manipulated.

Due · 09-30-2006, 05:42 AM

I'm really courious if Bush will manage the fuckup the US economy completely before he manage to start a new world war, or if it first will fuckup after the war have started.
If the US people is lucky Bush will resign or get resigned before that happends

The damages he have done already will already take decades to rebuild

cess · 09-30-2006, 05:45 AM

mmm drama..

justsexxx · 09-30-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by spanno

Listen up all you euro trashes! George Bush could press a button in a suitcase out on the golf course and fly a nuclear holocaust right up your butthole if he wanted to! so watch it with this anti-us talk!

Yeah he COULD do that...So what? Damn I am scared now...lol

Dvae · 09-30-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Due

I'm really courious if Bush will manage the fuckup the US economy completely before he manage to start a new world war, or if it first will fuckup after the war have started.
If the US people is lucky Bush will resign or get resigned before that happends

The damages he have done already will already take decades to rebuild

If we is lucky you will STFU!

pocketkangaroo · 09-30-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I giggled alot.

Then I called my lawyer cause our babysitter was playing Red hot chilli peppers a bit too loud, and had turned the AC on without asking me. This is fuckin torture...

But why are you supporting Bush's version of it over McCains'. I just don't get that. McCain was backed by a bunch of individuals with storied military history. McCain was a POW himself. Do you not think their opinion on the issue is a tad more relevant than that of some people who never served?

elron · 09-30-2006, 05:21 PM

You guys have to admit that the 9/11 attack looks like another hollywood movie for the europians . As long as the shit dont approach your door , you never really treat it as real event .

directfiesta · 09-30-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elron

You guys have to admit that the 9/11 attack looks like another hollywood movie for the europians . As long as the shit dont approach your door , you never really treat it as real event .

idiot.

987654321

Due · 09-30-2006, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

If we is lucky you will STFU!

Guess you are out of luck then

Jakke PNG · 10-01-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by elron

You guys have to admit that the 9/11 attack looks like another hollywood movie for the europians . As long as the shit dont approach your door , you never really treat it as real event .

Ummm... no.
It seems like the US is considering it as a hollywood movie, not europeans.
The good (USA) always wins the bad guys in the end (Terrorists). You just need to hire Jack Bauer to do this in 24 hours.

I'm half-serious too.

12clicks · 10-01-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Due

I'm really courious if Bush will manage the fuckup the US economy completely before he manage to start a new world war, or if it first will fuckup after the war have started.
If the US people is lucky Bush will resign or get resigned before that happends

The damages he have done already will already take decades to rebuild

what a clueless statement.

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jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	What this issue illustrates best is how superficial are most peoples' principles and beliefs and - as Joseph Goebels pointed out at Nuremberg - how easily led people are. Of course when you are under threat it is easy to rationalize doing whatever it takes to get information which may lessen or remove that threat. But this is the exact same rationalization which we have rejected in the past when used by others. Nor need this be just about gathering information: a case could be made (again as in the past many have made it) that ill-treating prisoners - perhaps not taking prisoners at all - acts as a deterrent. You could extend both principles to non-war situations. I care a great deal less about the nature of someone's principles, than that they actually have principles and are willing to stand by them in any circumstances. There are few things less edifying than realizing so many people have such little self-respect that reality proves over and over that in fact they have no principles of their own at all: that their thought processes, on everything from which TV programs to watch through to whether or not it is okay to torture prisoners, are so easily manipulated.

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