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DebsDeep · 10-12-2006, 07:25 AM

AllRight
I have Outstanding Ratios
Mysite Is Totally True to its word
The DEEPTHROAT is REAL ( and I love it)
The niche is rare!
The guys that join LOVE IT
I even go as far as keeping it totally different in many ways to help retain members. Such as chatting with them on yahoo,cell etc.....
What more do i need to attract some of the bigger Affiliates?

I am trying to understand how this works as far as being "hooked up" with some really big traffic guys, what does a girl have to do.??

Oh and be nice please hehehe

acratophorum · 10-12-2006, 07:28 AM

Pics Please

DebsDeep · 10-12-2006, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by acratophorum

Pics Please

I am always posting pics
Trying to do some bidness here

martinsc · 10-12-2006, 07:45 AM

you can always buy big traffic

www.TrafficHolder.com

wdsguy · 10-12-2006, 07:48 AM

You might get some more affiliates if you offered to blow them for x amount of sales, just a thought.

Z · 10-12-2006, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wdsguy

You might get some more affiliates if you offered to blow them for x amount of sales, just a thought.

Sadly enough, you wouldn't be the first...hell the 2,817th to do this.

acratophorum · 10-12-2006, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z

Sadly enough, you wouldn't be the first...hell the 2,817th to do this.

Really? Nobody's ever offered me anything sexual for traffic

Tom_PM · 10-12-2006, 08:13 AM

Well, let me tell ya. I clicked on your webmaster page and decided to go to the root directory, www.debsdeepthroat.com, and I clicked the Enter link, and it had a bunch of popups that google toolbar blocked, then it went to a site where it expected me to earn my degree. Where is the porn?
Do you have a COMPLETELY console free option? Do you have email collection boxes on your tour? How clean is the tour? WHERE is the tour? lol

jimmy-3-way · 10-12-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Well, let me tell ya. I clicked on your webmaster page and decided to go to the root directory, www.debsdeepthroat.com, and I clicked the Enter link, and it had a bunch of popups that google toolbar blocked, then it went to a site where it expected me to earn my degree. Where is the porn?
Do you have a COMPLETELY console free option? Do you have email collection boxes on your tour? How clean is the tour? WHERE is the tour? lol

I see that, that's quite fucked up. I wonder if this is on purpose? Looks hijacked to me.

Mr. Romance · 10-12-2006, 08:20 AM

good luck

Mr. Romance

martinsc · 10-12-2006, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Well, let me tell ya. I clicked on your webmaster page and decided to go to the root directory, www.debsdeepthroat.com, and I clicked the Enter link, and it had a bunch of popups that google toolbar blocked, then it went to a site where it expected me to earn my degree. Where is the porn?
Do you have a COMPLETELY console free option? Do you have email collection boxes on your tour? How clean is the tour? WHERE is the tour? lol

damn, you should do something about that...

RogerV · 10-12-2006, 09:11 AM

if you want my traffic you need to put me on your exits and send back.

I dont send traffic to places that just drop the traffic because if you dont convert someone else might

good luck

DebsDeep · 10-12-2006, 09:36 AM

I dont know what any of you are talking about...I have no popups at all on mysite

Tom_PM · 10-12-2006, 09:41 AM

Go to http://www.debsdeepthroat.com and click the enter button and what happens? Ask a few people to do the same because perhaps someone knows your IP so doesnt pop their shit when they know it's you looking.

Someone maybe has hijacked your site and you have no idea. I assure you, I clicked your Enter link and got nailed and your tour NEVER came up. The only thing that came up was a website where I could "earn my degree online".

xNetworx · 10-12-2006, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debsdeepthroat

I dont know what any of you are talking about...I have no popups at all on mysite

Try hitting "back" once you are in the tour pages

Tom_PM · 10-12-2006, 09:43 AM

Oh interesting. It's gone now. Well anyway, there is just no way I could send traffic to it after seeing that

pradaboy · 10-12-2006, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Well, let me tell ya. I clicked on your webmaster page and decided to go to the root directory, www.debsdeepthroat.com, and I clicked the Enter link, and it had a bunch of popups that google toolbar blocked, then it went to a site where it expected me to earn my degree. Where is the porn?
Do you have a COMPLETELY console free option? Do you have email collection boxes on your tour? How clean is the tour? WHERE is the tour? lol

I noticed the same thing a few days ago, looks like some sort of scumware

jimmy-3-way · 10-12-2006, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaboy

I noticed the same thing a few days ago, looks like some sort of scumware

I think it's a FF issue, it works okay-ish in IE.

Tom_PM · 10-12-2006, 09:51 AM

I'm not going to spend time with it, but I'd say it's a "run once" sort of thing, a "geoip error", a random error, a server hiccup, or an act of god. heh.
Seriously, I pay a lot for my traffic (time/money) and I do decent sales and I look for a new good converting site now and then rarely, but man it's gotta be top notch, 100% perfect perfect perfect or there is no way I'm changing or adding links.

ps: I checked it in IE

corvette · 10-12-2006, 09:58 AM

tom, if you are getting this link

http://earn-your-degree.com/degree/i...=70000&fil=all

you may have zango on your computer, i did the same thing you did, but from one of our boxes that has been infected by zango

Tom_PM · 10-12-2006, 10:05 AM

Hmm no shit, I'll find that thread full of removal instructions then. I keep this machine as clean as possible with active adware and virus scanning too. I dont surf with it much at all, and 99% of the time with firefox except for a few message boards.

But yes, that link is showing as a "visited" link, so I dont even need to click it to confirm.

Deb, do you promote Zango on your home page? lol

Tanker · 10-12-2006, 10:12 AM

time to rebuild your site and clean it up!

DebsDeep · 10-12-2006, 10:15 AM

Ok found the problem, thanks for noticing that so we could get it fixed
Everythings fine now.

I dont think i need a rebuild with 1:118 stats do you?

dissipate · 10-12-2006, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdsguy

You might get some more affiliates if you offered to blow them for x amount of sales, just a thought.

See, this this wouldn't be funny if it wasnt absolutely true.

Dagwolf · 10-12-2006, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debsdeepthroat

Ok found the problem, thanks for noticing that so we could get it fixed
Everythings fine now.

I dont think i need a rebuild with 1:118 stats do you?

What was the problem? How did you fix it?

I actually had a site hijacked by the hosting company once.

Karupted Charles · 10-12-2006, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acratophorum

Really? Nobody's ever offered me anything sexual for traffic

LOL are you serious? Do you go to shows?

Big_D · 10-12-2006, 10:30 AM

sorry cant help, good luck

Tom_PM · 10-12-2006, 12:03 PM

Ok, just FYI I just installed and ran Prevx, and have absolutely no sign of any malware, scumware, adware, keyloggers or any other maliciousness on this PC. So it'd be nice to know what the problem was that was found since this has been a hot topic.

squishypimp · 10-12-2006, 12:15 PM

i would get a better site design to start, and some better affiliate tools...

SomeCreep · 10-12-2006, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debsdeepthroat

Ok found the problem, thanks for noticing that so we could get it fixed
Everythings fine now.

I dont think i need a rebuild with 1:118 stats do you?

Well, what was the problem?

DebsDeep · 10-12-2006, 03:11 PM

Well there was some code in all my pages thats wasnt suppose to be there,,how it got there i dunno
But its gone now and we will keep a close eye on things

What type of better affiliate tools?

Big Red Machine · 10-12-2006, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debsdeepthroat

What type of better affiliate tools?

Maybe start with NATs

DebsDeep · 10-13-2006, 04:43 AM

ok i will check into that today

DebsDeep · 10-13-2006, 04:48 AM

Thanks again for all the input, even the bad

fris · 10-13-2006, 06:10 AM

hit up spermshack owner, he has nice traffic, its probably up your alley too

fris · 10-13-2006, 06:11 AM

whats your email, i can shoot you off an email with a list of amateur tgps/mgps/blogs you can contact

Tempest · 10-13-2006, 06:31 AM

I actually prefer ccbill for small / solo / high risk type sites as opposed to NATs. At least until NATs comes out with their update that will allow programs to use NATs but still keep out ccbill programs merged together and get the cheques from ccbill. So I wouldn't change to NATs at this point.

There's 2 things I would want.

1. At least 60%. I doubt you're going to attract big traffic guys who are getting $30 PPS. You need to sweeten the pot for them.

2. The FHGs need to have the code embeded in them instead of using the ccbill redirects. The way you have it, every gallery hit will get counted at ccbill which makes it impossible to monitor conversions. I'll try and remember to hit you up on ICQ tomorrow to send you some info on how to do this.

You probably need more FHGs. I tend to want 30+ at least, so in your case, that would be 30+ movie and 30+ picture galleries.

I didn't look at what content you have available but more of that is always a plus. And also consider what is needed. i.e. for gallery submitters, they're going to need at least 15 pics in a series. For free site builders they need 20, and if they submit to places like persian kitty, then 30.

If you want affiliates to invest time in marketing your site, then you need to supply them with all the material they'd need.

silver · 10-13-2006, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debsdeepthroat

AllRight
I have Outstanding Ratios
Mysite Is Totally True to its word
The DEEPTHROAT is REAL ( and I love it)
The niche is rare!
The guys that join LOVE IT
I even go as far as keeping it totally different in many ways to help retain members. Such as chatting with them on yahoo,cell etc.....
What more do i need to attract some of the bigger Affiliates?

I am trying to understand how this works as far as being "hooked up" with some really big traffic guys, what does a girl have to do.??

Oh and be nice please hehehe

$1.00 3 day trials for surfers - $35 a trial signup for webmasters.

DebsDeep · 10-16-2006, 04:54 AM

ok cool
email is [email protected]

Yes please give me any info you have on traffic and such

ccbill doesnt do a $1 trial for 3 days

Paul Markham · 10-16-2006, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest

1. At least 60%. I doubt you're going to attract big traffic guys who are getting $30 PPS. You need to sweeten the pot for them.

If the site converts that well and drives decent amounts of traffic why do you need to up the %?

Seriously they could earn more on a site that pays less, if it converts better.

Deb have you got yourself onto all the good review sites? Great source of traffic, affiliates and not trouble as these guys know what they are doing.

This is assuming you have not done it already and have a good site.

DebsDeep · 10-16-2006, 07:21 AM

Yes i have been reviewed by many, got great reviews on them all too especially janes guide.

Juicy D. Links · 10-16-2006, 07:24 AM

Deb let me get a temp pass so i can see the inside.

juicy @ xvn dot com

Juicy D. Links · 10-16-2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Ok, just FYI I just installed and ran Prevx, and have absolutely no sign of any malware, scumware, adware, keyloggers or any other maliciousness on this PC. So it'd be nice to know what the problem was that was found since this has been a hot topic.

Tom is PrevX really good? I am just checkking out their site lmk

DebsDeep · 10-16-2006, 07:32 AM

message me on yahoo juicy
112001033

madawgz · 10-16-2006, 07:34 AM

i hope you get some big whales

Tom_PM · 10-16-2006, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Tom is PrevX really good? I am just checkking out their site lmk

PrevX seems good yeah. It hasn't found anything, but I expected to be pretty clean anyway. I dont have the guts to intentionally try to get infected with malware to see if it stops it. But I'd say it's doing it's job.
I may buy it after the free trial is over. There is also a completely free version.

jelf · 10-16-2006, 07:41 AM

ya it needs a new design lol

DebsDeep · 10-16-2006, 07:43 AM

Well its just that i have had mysite since 2000....Its always been very easy to make money with this niche, its different and real. So in the past year or so i have tried to learn things like better marketing and concentrating on affiliates more. I see people talking about conversions of 1:300...1:200 and i think wow, I am getting WAY better than that. I dunno, i guess its the ole....if i am doing this many signups on 1000 uniques a day then what would 5000 or 10,000 be doing.

DebsDeep · 10-16-2006, 07:43 AM

Maybe i will have hubby start a new design and see what he comes up with

scardog · 10-16-2006, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martinsc

you can always buy big traffic

www.TrafficHolder.com

Isn't traffic buying for trading, and not for converting. You should test some of your traffic with her, and let us know how it did!

10-12-2006, 07:25 AM	#1
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	How To attract New Affiliates Big Guys Inside PLEASE AllRight I have Outstanding Ratios Mysite Is Totally True to its word The DEEPTHROAT is REAL ( and I love it) The niche is rare! The guys that join LOVE IT I even go as far as keeping it totally different in many ways to help retain members. Such as chatting with them on yahoo,cell etc..... What more do i need to attract some of the bigger Affiliates? I am trying to understand how this works as far as being "hooked up" with some really big traffic guys, what does a girl have to do.?? Oh and be nice please hehehe __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!! Last edited by DebsDeep; 10-12-2006 at 07:27 AM.. Reason: added some stuff..lol

10-12-2006, 07:45 AM	#4
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10-12-2006, 08:13 AM	#8
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Well, let me tell ya. I clicked on your webmaster page and decided to go to the root directory, www.debsdeepthroat.com, and I clicked the Enter link, and it had a bunch of popups that google toolbar blocked, then it went to a site where it expected me to earn my degree. Where is the porn? Do you have a COMPLETELY console free option? Do you have email collection boxes on your tour? How clean is the tour? WHERE is the tour? lol __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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10-12-2006, 09:36 AM	#13
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	I dont know what any of you are talking about...I have no popups at all on mysite __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!

10-12-2006, 07:28 AM	#2
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10-12-2006, 07:48 AM	#5
wdsguy Ryde or Die Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California-Shanghai Posts: 19,568	You might get some more affiliates if you offered to blow them for x amount of sales, just a thought.

10-12-2006, 09:11 AM	#12
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	if you want my traffic you need to put me on your exits and send back. I dont send traffic to places that just drop the traffic because if you dont convert someone else might good luck

10-12-2006, 09:41 AM	#14
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Go to http://www.debsdeepthroat.com and click the enter button and what happens? Ask a few people to do the same because perhaps someone knows your IP so doesnt pop their shit when they know it's you looking. Someone maybe has hijacked your site and you have no idea. I assure you, I clicked your Enter link and got nailed and your tour NEVER came up. The only thing that came up was a website where I could "earn my degree online". __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

10-12-2006, 09:43 AM	#16
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Oh interesting. It's gone now. Well anyway, there is just no way I could send traffic to it after seeing that __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

10-12-2006, 09:51 AM	#19
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I'm not going to spend time with it, but I'd say it's a "run once" sort of thing, a "geoip error", a random error, a server hiccup, or an act of god. heh. Seriously, I pay a lot for my traffic (time/money) and I do decent sales and I look for a new good converting site now and then rarely, but man it's gotta be top notch, 100% perfect perfect perfect or there is no way I'm changing or adding links. ps: I checked it in IE __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

10-12-2006, 09:58 AM	#20
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	tom, if you are getting this link http://earn-your-degree.com/degree/i...=70000&fil=all you may have zango on your computer, i did the same thing you did, but from one of our boxes that has been infected by zango __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

10-12-2006, 10:05 AM	#21
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Hmm no shit, I'll find that thread full of removal instructions then. I keep this machine as clean as possible with active adware and virus scanning too. I dont surf with it much at all, and 99% of the time with firefox except for a few message boards. But yes, that link is showing as a "visited" link, so I dont even need to click it to confirm. Deb, do you promote Zango on your home page? lol __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

10-12-2006, 10:12 AM	#22
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10-12-2006, 10:15 AM	#23
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	Ok found the problem, thanks for noticing that so we could get it fixed Everythings fine now. I dont think i need a rebuild with 1:118 stats do you? __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!

10-12-2006, 10:30 AM	#27
Big_D CRAZY MOFUKKA Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,296	sorry cant help, good luck

10-12-2006, 12:03 PM	#28
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Ok, just FYI I just installed and ran Prevx, and have absolutely no sign of any malware, scumware, adware, keyloggers or any other maliciousness on this PC. So it'd be nice to know what the problem was that was found since this has been a hot topic. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

10-12-2006, 12:15 PM	#29
squishypimp PostMaster General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,781	i would get a better site design to start, and some better affiliate tools... __________________ Signature For Sale

10-12-2006, 03:11 PM	#31
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	Well there was some code in all my pages thats wasnt suppose to be there,,how it got there i dunno But its gone now and we will keep a close eye on things What type of better affiliate tools? __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!

10-13-2006, 04:43 AM	#33
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	ok i will check into that today __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!

10-13-2006, 04:48 AM	#34
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	Thanks again for all the input, even the bad __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!

10-13-2006, 06:10 AM	#35
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10-13-2006, 06:11 AM	#36
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,359	whats your email, i can shoot you off an email with a list of amateur tgps/mgps/blogs you can contact __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

10-13-2006, 06:31 AM	#37
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	I actually prefer ccbill for small / solo / high risk type sites as opposed to NATs. At least until NATs comes out with their update that will allow programs to use NATs but still keep out ccbill programs merged together and get the cheques from ccbill. So I wouldn't change to NATs at this point. There's 2 things I would want. 1. At least 60%. I doubt you're going to attract big traffic guys who are getting $30 PPS. You need to sweeten the pot for them. 2. The FHGs need to have the code embeded in them instead of using the ccbill redirects. The way you have it, every gallery hit will get counted at ccbill which makes it impossible to monitor conversions. I'll try and remember to hit you up on ICQ tomorrow to send you some info on how to do this. You probably need more FHGs. I tend to want 30+ at least, so in your case, that would be 30+ movie and 30+ picture galleries. I didn't look at what content you have available but more of that is always a plus. And also consider what is needed. i.e. for gallery submitters, they're going to need at least 15 pics in a series. For free site builders they need 20, and if they submit to places like persian kitty, then 30. If you want affiliates to invest time in marketing your site, then you need to supply them with all the material they'd need.

10-16-2006, 04:54 AM	#39
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	ok cool email is [email protected] Yes please give me any info you have on traffic and such ccbill doesnt do a $1 trial for 3 days __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!

10-16-2006, 07:21 AM	#41
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	Yes i have been reviewed by many, got great reviews on them all too especially janes guide. __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!

10-16-2006, 07:24 AM	#42
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Deb let me get a temp pass so i can see the inside. juicy @ xvn dot com

10-16-2006, 07:32 AM	#44
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	message me on yahoo juicy 112001033 __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!

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10-16-2006, 07:41 AM	#47
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10-16-2006, 07:43 AM	#48
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	Well its just that i have had mysite since 2000....Its always been very easy to make money with this niche, its different and real. So in the past year or so i have tried to learn things like better marketing and concentrating on affiliates more. I see people talking about conversions of 1:300...1:200 and i think wow, I am getting WAY better than that. I dunno, i guess its the ole....if i am doing this many signups on 1000 uniques a day then what would 5000 or 10,000 be doing. __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!