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Old 10-22-2006, 05:50 PM   #51
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Old 10-22-2006, 06:54 PM   #52
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you accuse me of assuming all these things. all i have done is commented on your continued behavior. you again keep trying to say that my position is "X" - in your last post "reasons to attack" [n korea] - which is not anything that i ever mentioned or tried to defend or suggest we do. in fact, i have always said the opposite.. that its absolutely, 100% unnecessary since they don't represent a direct threat to the US and there are no interests to protect in N. Korea... and since you missed it and apparently comprehension is not your strong point, i have been talking about YOU.

what you can't address is the fact that there is a problem there, because a real discussion of the issues and facts can only detract from your constant "you live in a country of idiots, ran by an idiot" banter and its just to hard for you to tie in the cold hard facts on the ground, the history and the history on the problem to your little hate war without highlighting the shortsightedness of your own views. even though you deny it, there is a real problem there. but its not a US problem. since you always have your finger on the trigger for your "one size fits all" cause for all things bad on the planet -> Bush/USA.... you safely exempt yourself by default from any real consideration, thought and debate of the complexities of the matter and what solutions might defuse the situation, since you start the discussion with an answer... rather than working through the questions to a conclusion.
Screw this bullshit - I'm going to answer you briefly - despite it's another dialog hitting all over the place

I accuse you of nothing other than the fact that you constantly make assumptions - that is clear to see from your previous posts.

Correct - I do have my finger on the trigger - and it will remain there on any subject, whether that is re the US or any other nation.

I am fully accquainted with background and history thanks.

Correct - you have been talking about me - and not about the subject of the thread. I have no problem with comprehension, thanks - that's your assumption.

I have not made any claims of "you live in a country of idiots, ran by an idiot". Once more - your assumption - and very typical of the stereotype response expected.

Instead of whining about "US haters" and moaning about others - perhaps it may be a clue to address the issues as you suggest above. Part of these issues do involved the current US admin and policy - that was never, ever under question. If any part of a discussion does hit upon US action, (which is often inevitable given the current state), I'll state this very clearly in the same way other elements are stated. This is called freedom of speech - something you have in your Constitution - and others also have this freedom.

Apologies if you feel the US is the constant subject of comment/criticism on occasion. The reason for that is more than evident and not my or your responsibility. Other parties created a situation where the US may be the talking point of many nations - I am not responsible for the actions and policies of your government and the only level to which you may be responsible is in the election of your government.

There is nothing inappropriate when discussing government or political issues - and it matters little to me what nation is the point of discussion. Ruffling finer sensibilities is part of the course - and the US has no exclusive to be excluded from debate.

It is also offensive that you even dream that others should not comment on your government's actions and, where warranted, with valid criticism. Any nation which condones torture, inhibits their citizens from due legal process, invades other nations under false claims and in the processing killing tens of thousands, is open to criticism. Sure, your nation is not alone, - North Korea meets the same criteria and is in the same boat, but that is not an excuse. If you don't like criticism - elect those who will not operate a rogue state, but elevate it to the level of a civilized country.
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Old 10-22-2006, 07:34 PM   #53
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There is nothing inappropriate when discussing government or political issues - and it matters little to me what nation is the point of discussion. Ruffling finer sensibilities is part of the course - and the US has no exclusive to be excluded from debate.

It is also offensive that you even dream that others should not comment on your government's actions and, where warranted, with valid criticism. Any nation which condones torture, inhibits their citizens from due legal process, invades other nations under false claims and in the processing killing tens of thousands, is open to criticism. Sure, your nation is not alone, - North Korea meets the same criteria and is in the same boat, but that is not an excuse. If you don't like criticism - elect those who will not operate a rogue state, but elevate it to the level of a civilized country.
i never said i care about criticism. i am saying thats all you do. you criticise. you attack. you do so without rest,... attacking ONLY one country, one government, one leader and one people. you desperately grasp at any chance to do so. you continually insult 300,000,000 people for the behaviors and attitudes (real or percieved) of a few. only 26% of registered voters voted for bush and you are even too naive and blinded by your own ignorance and insecurities to recognize that you primarily insult those in the US who wholeheartedly agree with you and your views.

you're a child. you not only do nothing but sling insults (using the thin veil of "criticism") but you hunt and dig and troll for any opportunity to do so. thats what you and directfiesta do. play naive and innocent all you want. pretend there isn't a fairly consistent pattern of behavior if thats what you need to do to prevent your own world view from being torn down and replaced by reality. you are entitled to an opinion and to criticise, but you guys go far beyond that. you are on a mission... and from time to time i stop... i look at my friends, my family and our lives and think "these guys hate you and you the sad irony is that you would go to the ends of the earth to help this person if this person needed help"

comment and criticism is one thing

constant, mindless and even reflexive attacks that do everything but address the issues or pretend they are unique to the US is another. thats not criticism. thats not debate. thats not discussion. that is quite simply, nothing more than immaturity.
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Old 10-22-2006, 07:49 PM   #54
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i never said i care about criticism. i am saying thats all you do. you criticise. you attack. you do so without rest,...
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You are entitled to your opinion


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you're a child. you not only do nothing but sling insults (using the thin veil of "criticism") but you hunt and dig and troll for any opportunity to do so. thats what you and directfiesta do. play naive and innocent all you want.
You have your opinion - It's wrong

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i look at my friends, my family and our lives and think "these guys hate you and you the sad irony is that you would go to the ends of the earth to help this person if this person needed help"
If you think that - youre mad. The word "hate" is not even on the table - it's in your head. What planet are you on? Criticism of the actions/policies of your govt has nothing to do with individuals or assisting them.


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constant, mindless and even reflexive attacks that do everything but address the issues or pretend they are unique to the US is another. thats not criticism. thats not debate. thats not discussion. that is quite simply, nothing more than immaturity.
Again.. your opinion, tho agree, - many issues are not the exclusive of the US.

Overall - you are entitled to your opinion - and you have expressed this. I won't be responding to the immature attempts at insults - I prefer a higher level of comment.

End of subject - have a nice day
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:34 PM   #55
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:43 PM   #56
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:48 PM   #57
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There's only one country in the world that seems to love war, that seems to want to go into war with anybody based on made up excuses. That's the country that is known to be the only one to have ever used nuclear weapons against civilians. Why would anyone possibly think a peaceful nation such as North Korea would spark WWIII???
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Old 10-23-2007, 12:06 AM   #58
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