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TMM_John · 10-09-2006, 01:48 AM

We had shown a preview of this a few weeks ago and we would like to show everyone again as it has progressed some. It is still a work in progress but it is already a very valuable tool for anyone running or interested in knowing more about NATS

http://roxy.toomuchmedia.com/product..._frameset.html

Please give us feedback on the site itself, the demos, and what you would like to see explained!

jact · 10-09-2006, 01:49 AM

Now THAT is a good tech doc, looks great!

Shoehorn! · 10-09-2006, 01:49 AM

Nice.

5pm · 10-09-2006, 01:50 AM

Wow looks hot .

dissipate · 10-09-2006, 01:50 AM

Awesome stuff john

martinsc · 10-09-2006, 02:00 AM

TMM_John · 10-09-2006, 12:44 PM

*afternoon bump*

RawAlex · 10-09-2006, 12:49 PM

Hey John, would you care to explain how NATS works in the face of things like Zango and other toolbar code switchers and other such trickery?

vvq · 10-09-2006, 01:01 PM

Looks good so far.

NiggaRiche · 10-09-2006, 01:05 PM

its good. but with sound, it would be alot better

TMM_John · 10-09-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Hey John, would you care to explain how NATS works in the face of things like Zango and other toolbar code switchers and other such trickery?

I'm not familiar with "zango and other such trickery" so I really can't.

Unfortunately there isn't much you can do about things that take control of the browser and change things. The server just knows what it gets from the browser and thats all NATS knows also. It has no way of knowing what is going on at the browser end as far as that goes.

However, if someone does know a method to prevent spyware type apps from screwing with things we'd love to hear it and would be more than happy to impliment it. The problem is I don't think there is one.

squishypimp · 10-09-2006, 01:09 PM

wow thats really cool, bet it will help cut down on alot of support requests

RawAlex · 10-09-2006, 01:11 PM

John, maybe I should ask the question in a different way: Do sponsor sites using NATS hardcode the links into every page of the tour as the surfer moves forward, or it is dependant on "last time they entered the site they used this id"... either through cookies or a tracking DB?

TMM_John · 10-09-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

John, maybe I should ask the question in a different way: Do sponsor sites using NATS hardcode the links into every page of the tour as the surfer moves forward, or it is dependant on "last time they entered the site they used this id"... either through cookies or a tracking DB?

NATS sponsors are instructed they should pass the code through each page of their tours via the query string. The code is also stored in a cookie and we also do IP tracking.

However all of this can be gone around by spyware if the spyware wants to. It can change the link code on a link before the surfer even hits NATS in the first place making all of this irrelevant. If NATS thinks that the code is something it shouldn't be the first time it sees it how is it to ever know it was changed?

Like I said, if there is a way to help we'd love to impliment it, but its doubtful.

Anthony · 10-09-2006, 01:19 PM

TTT for NATS and a concise Knowledge Base!

RawAlex · 10-09-2006, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

NATS sponsors are instructed they should pass the code through each page of their tours via the query string. The code is also stored in a cookie and we also do IP tracking.

However all of this can be gone around by spyware if the spyware wants to. It can change the link code on a link before the surfer even hits NATS in the first place making all of this irrelevant. If NATS thinks that the code is something it shouldn't be the first time it sees it how is it to ever know it was changed?

Like I said, if there is a way to help we'd love to impliment it, but its doubtful.

Certainly the replacing codes might be difficult, but zango in particular works by opening a second browser to "replace the cookie". So if nats gets a hit from 111111 and 1 second later gets a hit for the same site for 222222, which one would be used?

Alex

TMM_John · 10-09-2006, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Certainly the replacing codes might be difficult, but zango in particular works by opening a second browser to "replace the cookie". So if nats gets a hit from 111111 and 1 second later gets a hit for the same site for 222222, which one would be used?

Alex

That sounds a bit simplistic. I would think anyone who writes spyware would be a bit smarter than that. NATS uses whatever cookie was most recently set. I'll have our guys see if they can track this to see if its happening. I really doubt its that simple tho.

RawAlex · 10-09-2006, 01:55 PM

John, just one of the ways this apparently works. Outrightly replacing the affiliate code on the way in might be illegal (interference of a business transaction), but popping another window to change a cookie or otherwise misleading a tracking system might not have the same legal implications.

You might want to check the other thread on the issue, or get your programmers to have a look... heck, infect a PC with some of the spyware and get your guys to watch what happens

Alex

RawAlex · 10-09-2006, 01:56 PM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=663534 is a good read, a but long, but a good read

Alex

TMM_John · 10-09-2006, 02:33 PM

I have Boris looking into it now.

jimthefiend · 10-09-2006, 02:35 PM

That is pretty bad ass.

RawAlex · 10-09-2006, 02:58 PM

Thanks John... it's something that if you get it right, is a selling point that would be right up there with anti-shaving.

Alex

TMM_John · 10-09-2006, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Thanks John... it's something that if you get it right, is a selling point that would be right up there with anti-shaving.

Alex

Thanks. It's something we'd love to do anything we can to prevent. Unfortunately IMO its a losing battle however something is certainly better than nothing. Even if it knocks out 5-10% of it, thats still 5-10% better.

woj · 10-09-2006, 03:01 PM

wow, looks good

wil_I_Am · 10-09-2006, 03:02 PM

awesome!!

RawAlex · 10-09-2006, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Thanks. It's something we'd love to do anything we can to prevent. Unfortunately IMO its a losing battle however something is certainly better than nothing. Even if it knocks out 5-10% of it, thats still 5-10% better.

Because NATS is more and more of a standard, it is also likely to be more and more of a target for these things. So looking at ways shrink this type of potential for fraud within your system will help many programs. Right now, 10% better would be a nice bottom line difference for many people.

Alex

The Ghost · 10-09-2006, 03:38 PM

Just going through it John.... really great! Good for anyone who want to have a working knowledge of NATS

RealityWife · 10-09-2006, 03:45 PM

Very Nice.

charlieb · 10-09-2006, 06:42 PM

bump

TMM_John · 10-11-2006, 10:43 AM

*to the top!*

DeadFidel · 10-11-2006, 11:40 AM

I thought this biz was about profiting from buying and selling media. I feel like a second grader.
Old school. Nice job John.

CaptainHowdy · 10-11-2006, 11:44 AM

Nice

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TheSenator · 10-23-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by squishypimp

wow thats really cool, bet it will help cut down on alot of support requests

No matter how good the knowledge base is you will always have a need for a human to point out the obvious.

Lykos · 10-23-2006, 01:46 PM

Good as always

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Hey John, would you care to explain how NATS works in the face of things like Zango and other toolbar code switchers and other such trickery?

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	John, maybe I should ask the question in a different way: Do sponsor sites using NATS hardcode the links into every page of the tour as the surfer moves forward, or it is dependant on "last time they entered the site they used this id"... either through cookies or a tracking DB?

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	John, just one of the ways this apparently works. Outrightly replacing the affiliate code on the way in might be illegal (interference of a business transaction), but popping another window to change a cookie or otherwise misleading a tracking system might not have the same legal implications. You might want to check the other thread on the issue, or get your programmers to have a look... heck, infect a PC with some of the spyware and get your guys to watch what happens Alex

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=663534 is a good read, a but long, but a good read Alex

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Thanks John... it's something that if you get it right, is a selling point that would be right up there with anti-shaving. Alex

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