Someone explain this to me, maybe I am nieve?

[will76]

AFF, Dating Gold and IWantU

[/QUOTE]

Interesting Picture. I wonder what these companies had to say about "zango" before and after posing for a picture like they are one big happy family.

If I went to an event and another company was there that was targeting me, my traffic, and my sales, my income, I wouldn't have anything to say to them (nice at least) muchless come across as being buddy buddy.

It makes you wonder if companies like iwantu and datinggold site around with lars and laugh at us about all of this, or if they really had any serious "talks".

[jimthefiend]

Would you please just fucking SHUT YOUR GOD DAMNED MOUTH ALREADY.

[jimthefiend]

PS: It's spelled "naive" you illiterate fucking imbecile.

[Lazonby]

Baa Baa Blacksheep Have You Any Wool?

Nope, but I've got a shit load of stolen sales.

[Lazonby]

Originally Posted by jimthefiend

PS: It's spelled "naive" you illiterate fucking imbecile.

Actually the 'i' has got an umlaut over it instead of a single dot.

[StuartD]

Holy jeeze man, do you EVER think of anything else? Do you dream this stuff at night? Do you call up friends just to talk about Zango?

Oh right, no friends. Forget that last one.

[viki]

That was a quick edit, jim. I saw "niave" the first time.

[Love Sex]

On another note. Will76

Do you really believe clickcash is not involved in activities such as accepting sales from spyware, adware, malware?

[jimthefiend]

Originally Posted by viki

That was a quick edit, jim. I saw "niave" the first time.

[gfx3]

Originally Posted by will76

If I went to an event and another company was there that was targeting me, my traffic, and my sales, my income, I wouldn't have anything to say to them (nice at least) muchless come across as being buddy buddy.

That is not how companies work they only do what they are expected to do in such a situation and don't let their personal emotions interfear with handling their business.

[will76]

Originally Posted by jimthefiend

PS: It's spelled "naive" you illiterate fucking imbecile.

How did I get off of your ignore ? Damn, I knew it wouldn't last. I knew you would lose money (sig views) if you stoped posting in my threads.

How does it feel to know you need me, you are my little bitch, you can't make money without trying to leach off of me. Sad. Really Sad.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Love Sex

On another note. Will76

Do you really believe clickcash is not involved in activities such as accepting sales from spyware, adware, malware?

I;ve spoke to them at lenght about it and yes I believe they do not support it.

[WiredGuy]

Perhaps not everyone likes telling other people how to run their businesses. I'm sure AFF, DG, SexSearch and iWantU do business together on some level and even though they have different opinions on toolbar traffic, they don't go around telling people how to run their businesses.
WG

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Perhaps not everyone likes telling other people how to run their businesses. I'm sure AFF, DG, SexSearch and iWantU do business together on some level and even though they have different opinions on toolbar traffic, they don't go around telling people how to run their businesses.
WG

[Angry]

Jim the Fiend is a no good trailer trash piece of dog shit. As far as those programs are concerned? They are shit to. They make false promises to surfers with fake pics and adverts making one think these are the pieces of ass they will meet online. WE know better but the surfer does not. They have been SCAMMING people for years. What makes you htink they would stop now?

[MicDoohan]

Originally Posted by Angry

Jim the Fiend is a no good trailer trash piece of dog shit. As far as those programs are concerned? They are shit to. They make false promises to surfers with fake pics and adverts making one think these are the pieces of ass they will meet online. WE know better but the surfer does not. They have been SCAMMING people for years. What makes you htink they would stop now?

Well said! However it is worth repeating that Jim the Fiend is indeed a no good trailer trash piece of dog shit.

[gooddomains]

got zango ?

[will76]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Perhaps not everyone likes telling other people how to run their businesses. I'm sure AFF, DG, SexSearch and iWantU do business together on some level and even though they have different opinions on toolbar traffic, they don't go around telling people how to run their businesses.
WG

It is amazing, you are ALWAYS on the other side of this issue.

If that is how it is, that is how it is. If I was IwantU and AFF was stealing from me I wouldn't be buddy buddy with them. Where did I say I am telling Iwantu to not do business with them, I said I wouldn't I didnt tell them what do to.

As far as AFF using Zango, if you are referring to me telling AFF how to run their business, you better fucking believe I am going to tell them what I think if the way they run their business involved me losing sales and traffic to them because they use scumware.

Wiredguy, why don't you just fly your zango sig now. I have never seen you say anything bad about them and you have made about 20 post either defending them or undermining/bashing everything i am saying. If you support zango then fucking say it.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by will76

It is amazing, you are ALWAYS on the other side of this issue.

If that is how it is, that is how it is. If I was IwantU and AFF was stealing from me I wouldn't be buddy buddy with them. Where did I say I am telling Iwantu to not do business with them, I said I wouldn't I didnt tell them what do to.

As far as AFF using Zango, if you are referring to me telling AFF how to run their business, you better fucking believe I am going to tell them what I think if the way they run their business involved me losing sales and traffic to them because they use scumware.

Wiredguy, why don't you just fly your zango sig now. I have never seen you say anything bad about them and you have made about 20 post either defending them or undermining/bashing everything i am saying. If you support zango then fucking say it.

Hahaha... I love the "if you're not agreeing with everything I say at all times, you're against me" mentality that you have.

If you take what WG said and think he is a zango supporter because of it, then you are seriously more messed up than that I thought.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by will76

It is amazing, you are ALWAYS on the other side of this issue.

If that is how it is, that is how it is. If I was IwantU and AFF was stealing from me I wouldn't be buddy buddy with them. Where did I say I am telling Iwantu to not do business with them, I said I wouldn't I didnt tell them what do to.

As far as AFF using Zango, if you are referring to me telling AFF how to run their business, you better fucking believe I am going to tell them what I think if the way they run their business involved me losing sales and traffic to them because they use scumware.

Wiredguy, why don't you just fly your zango sig now. I have never seen you say anything bad about them and you have made about 20 post either defending them or undermining/bashing everything i am saying. If you support zango then fucking say it.

I was simply explaining that it is possible for people to get along in a professional manner (as the picture shows) even if they have different beliefs on certain business principles. We both know DatingGold and iWantU are against Zango but that's no reason why they should refuse to talk to Lars. Hating someone for accepting a certain type of traffic is quite an extreme action and I for one would never dictate to other people how they should run their business (like you've been doing with AFF).

And no, I'm not a Zango lover as you may think. Remember how I used to promote them and have an outstanding debt with them. Despite that, I still talk to their staff and know them quite well. Instead of mouthing off to the world about them, try working with them. Understand their business and work with it as opposed to against it. You'll find in the long term this works much better than annoying everyone around you. Seriously, consider it before you mouth back at this post.

WG

[Snake Doctor]

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I was simply explaining that it is possible for people to get along in a professional manner (as the picture shows) even if they have different beliefs on certain business principles. We both know DatingGold and iWantU are against Zango but that's no reason why they should refuse to talk to Lars. Hating someone for accepting a certain type of traffic is quite an extreme action and I for one would never dictate to other people how they should run their business (like you've been doing with AFF).

And no, I'm not a Zango lover as you may think. Remember how I used to promote them and have an outstanding debt with them. Despite that, I still talk to their staff and know them quite well. Instead of mouthing off to the world about them, try working with them. Understand their business and work with it as opposed to against it. You'll find in the long term this works much better than annoying everyone around you. Seriously, consider it before you mouth back at this post.

WG

Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense. Having a happy sitdown with a company that is potentially targeting your affiliates and your traffic with popover ads seems just a little, well, naive. It is like getting robbed in the street and then inviting the crook over for a beer too. (not suggesting anyone is specifically a crook, just an example, a tale).

I suspect this may fall into the "we are all driving fancy ass sports cars and laughing at the little guys, so let's laugh together". category.

[itto]

4ll i s33 iz pe0pl3 hab1n' phun....

[will76]

Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Would you please just fucking SHUT YOUR GOD DAMNED MOUTH ALREADY.

I USE BIG FONT TO COMPENSAITE FOR MY SMALL WEENIE.

[will76]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Hahaha... I love the "if you're not agreeing with everything I say at all times, you're against me" mentality that you have.

If you take what WG said and think he is a zango supporter because of it, then you are seriously more messed up than that I thought.

for one moron, WG use to promote zango cash. That is just for starters and he claims the main reason he stopped was because they were late on payments not because they were stealling traffic and sales from everyone here. I guess you have seen the other 20 or so posts I am referring to where WG always seems to be on the other side of the issue. Do a little research before you open your mouth.

[will76]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I was simply explaining that it is possible for people to get along in a professional manner (as the picture shows) even if they have different beliefs on certain business principles. We both know DatingGold and iWantU are against Zango but that's no reason why they should refuse to talk to Lars. Hating someone for accepting a certain type of traffic is quite an extreme action and I for one would never dictate to other people how they should run their business (like you've been doing with AFF).

And no, I'm not a Zango lover as you may think. Remember how I used to promote them and have an outstanding debt with them. Despite that, I still talk to their staff and know them quite well. Instead of mouthing off to the world about them, try working with them. Understand their business and work with it as opposed to against it. You'll find in the long term this works much better than annoying everyone around you. Seriously, consider it before you mouth back at this post.

WG

No you were saying I was trying to tell everyone how to run their business that is what you were saying and what you said.

Great to hear you still have a great relationship with Zango, wonderful. I will sleep better to know you are doing your part.... which is ? (you lost me there). Oh, your part, trying to undertand their business and working with it. So basically looking out for you ?

It seems the majority of the people I am annoying are either supporters of zango, or companies I am calling out, sigwhores who would rather see more " Would you hit it threads" and idiots like Jtf who just dont like me. The majority of the others here support what I am doing and even if no one did I would still post. I wouldn't give a shit if it was me against 1000. I am going to do what I can for what I think is right, you can either help and do something about it or stay the fuck out of the way.

[will76]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense. Having a happy sitdown with a company that is potentially targeting your affiliates and your traffic with popover ads seems just a little, well, naive. It is like getting robbed in the street and then inviting the crook over for a beer too. (not suggesting anyone is specifically a crook, just an example, a tale).

I suspect this may fall into the "we are all driving fancy ass sports cars and laughing at the little guys, so let's laugh together". category.

I agree. Lets say I am professional theif for a living, I steal from you. But when I am not on the clock, you wouldnt hold that against me and we could go out and get some beers and shoot the shit. WG, wake the fuck up.

Sure maybe these companies do that, but I can gurantee you I wouldn't. Like i said maybe I am nieve (sp -> pissing jtf off) but I don't opperate that way.

[will76]

Originally Posted by MicDoohan

Well said! However it is worth repeating that Jim the Fiend is indeed a no good trailer trash piece of dog shit.

[GooSearch]

LMFAO.. wow.. need a damn GFY arena..

[adultchica]

This thread makes me giggle!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Hahaha... I love the "if you're not agreeing with everything I say at all times, you're against me" mentality that you have.

If you take what WG said and think he is a zango supporter because of it, then you are seriously more messed up than that I thought.

Come on, he has the same attitude about anyone that does not agree with him.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by will76

This pic says it all fuck it i am done with all of them

[baddog]

The FTC on Nov. 3 found that Zango has met or exceeded the key notice and consent standards detailed in its consent order since at least Jan. 1 of this year.

The biggest change in Zango’s business practices since January 2006 is the elimination of all third-party affiliates. All new business partners have a direct contractual agreement with Zango.

As of Jan. 1, 2006, Zango retired its past products and required that all its applications include an enhanced version of its proprietary Safe and Secure Search (S3) technology.

This version of S3 features the Closed Loop System (CLS), a built-in software enhancement that enables quicker detection of unauthorized attempts to install the company’s desktop advertising software.

Zango has engaged Richard Purcell, CEO of the Corporate Privacy Group, to audit Zango’s compliance against each of the FTC’s requirements as an independent party. The former chief privacy officer at Microsoft and current chairman of the board for Truste, will report his findings within a month.

“We see the FTC’s ruling as a milestone in establishing a much needed set of guidelines for online advertising practices,’ Mr. Smith said.

In response to the settlement on Nov. 3, Truste, San Francisco, announced the Trusted Download Program to certify consumer downloadable software programs. It is accepting applications for certification.

A white list of the certified applications that adhere to new standards is expected to be publicly available in December. The program’s sponsors, such as Microsoft, AOL, CA, CNET Networks, Verizon and Yahoo, will use this white list to help make business decisions about advertising, partnering or distributing software products.

The complete set of program requirements is available on the Trusted Download Web site at www.trusteddownload.com.

“All business should embrace these standards set out by the FTC, just as Zango has done,” Ms. Varney said.

[marketsmart]

Two Points:

1) Will, you are a little out of line here. I know the IWantU crew very well, since I am their number one affiliate. I have seen no proof of Zango and IwantU. Varius (Keith) is not Mike and Mike owns IWU.

2) In regards to Zanfo and 3rd party affiliates, I know that Zango still uses them because I was one. I left Zango after my developers and techs told me what exactly Zango was installing.

I am very tempted to post an ICQ log of a conversation I had with someone from Zango, but instead I will leave that for the courtroom. For those of you that have been posting based on your personal beliefs of people, etc. I think you will be very surprised and dissapointed when then winds up in court and you see what is really going on behind the scenes. The wheels are already in motion and this is not going to turn out well for either the adult industry or the adware industry.

[RawAlex]

Baddog, it's fuck as heck all that. I tested it myself, going to Zango and clicking on a video. It led me to a page that had a huge PLAY button at the top next to the video with a nice description of the video below that, and then below that is the terms for the toolbar / asterixware that they are going to install with the most important thing...

THE TICKBOX TO SAY YOU AGREE IS PRE-CHECKED!

That is exactly NOT what is suppose to happen, because an unsuspecting or click fingered person couldclick the play button without reading all the terms, and the pre-ticked box means nothing will stop them from getting the freaking toolbar dumped on them.

It fails the stink test - and it means that the end user has consented to nothing, because there is no way to tell that the user in fact agreed and was aware.

it is another slimey way to operate, and much in keeping with zango's checkered past.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

Two Points:

1) Will, you are a little out of line here. I know the IWantU crew very well, since I am their number one affiliate. I have seen no proof of Zango and IwantU. Varius (Keith) is not Mike and Mike owns IWU.

2) In regards to Zanfo and 3rd party affiliates, I know that Zango still uses them because I was one. I left Zango after my developers and techs told me what exactly Zango was installing.

I am very tempted to post an ICQ log of a conversation I had with someone from Zango, but instead I will leave that for the courtroom. For those of you that have been posting based on your personal beliefs of people, etc. I think you will be very surprised and dissapointed when then winds up in court and you see what is really going on behind the scenes. The wheels are already in motion and this is not going to turn out well for either the adult industry or the adware industry.

That isn't the issue. IwantU many not use Zango, but Lars sure has, and I wouldn't be shocked to see a cams popup or a sexsearch popup over the iwantu site when a happy zango user clicks over.

Basically, the guys are together having a drink together, all the time Zango users are popping up all sorts of stuff over other cam programs.

Amazing, isn't it?

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

THE TICKBOX TO SAY YOU AGREE IS PRE-CHECKED!

Damn, that's the same thing that paycom does with it's cross sales and sponsors have been doing that for years....

to hell with them all!!!

[will76]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

Two Points:

1) Will, you are a little out of line here. I know the IWantU crew very well, since I am their number one affiliate. I have seen no proof of Zango and IwantU. Varius (Keith) is not Mike and Mike owns IWU.

2) In regards to Zanfo and 3rd party affiliates, I know that Zango still uses them because I was one. I left Zango after my developers and techs told me what exactly Zango was installing.

I am very tempted to post an ICQ log of a conversation I had with someone from Zango, but instead I will leave that for the courtroom. For those of you that have been posting based on your personal beliefs of people, etc. I think you will be very surprised and dissapointed when then winds up in court and you see what is really going on behind the scenes. The wheels are already in motion and this is not going to turn out well for either the adult industry or the adware industry.

I know IwantU and DG does not accept Zango traffic. I belive Iwantu is still in the process of sueing zango but i have heard no more about this.

I was commenting on the picture and what these guys really talk about when they get together. Are they buddy buddy like nothing happened and laugh at us ? Like I said I wouldn't be taking pictures and laughing and cutting up with people who were stealing from me, but that is just me. Maybe I am different and that is par for the course with all of these companies.

[will76]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Damn, that's the same thing that paycom does with it's cross sales and sponsors have been doing that for years....

to hell with them all!!!

always on the other side......

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

That isn't the issue. IwantU many not use Zango, but Lars sure has, and I wouldn't be shocked to see a cams popup or a sexsearch popup over the iwantu site when a happy zango user clicks over.

Basically, the guys are together having a drink together, all the time Zango users are popping up all sorts of stuff over other cam programs.

Amazing, isn't it?

funny you should mention... a friend of mine just told me that alt.com is popping over iwantu.com... lets see what mike has to say about this tomorrow....

[marketsmart]

oh, you dont belive me, well here you go:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3209/iwantubt6.jpg

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by will76

Oh, your part, trying to undertand their business and working with it. So basically looking out for you ?

Yes, my primary concern in this business is looking out for my own bottom line and self interests. I'll consider helping others once I have my own house in order. Call me selfish if you will, but I tend to look after my own interests first and foremost.

Originally Posted by will76

It seems the majority of the people I am annoying are either supporters of zango, or companies I am calling out, sigwhores who would rather see more " Would you hit it threads" and idiots like Jtf who just dont like me. The majority of the others here support what I am doing and even if no one did I would still post. I wouldn't give a shit if it was me against 1000. I am going to do what I can for what I think is right, you can either help and do something about it or stay the fuck out of the way.

I'm really indifferent as to what you do with Zango to be honest, I just think your crusade will continue with minimal results or the opposite effect (making webmasters promote Zango). I can tell you from first hand experience, because of your efforts, their brand is out there much more than before.

Either way, I'm not going to bother pursuing this argument with you anymore as I really don't care what happens to Zango or your cause with them. Like I said, my interest in this is getting paid and making sure my own interests are covered for my business. Go about your crusade and best of luck.

WG

[baddog]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Baddog, it's fuck as heck all that. I tested it myself, going to Zango and clicking on a video. It led me to a page that had a huge PLAY button at the top next to the video with a nice description of the video below that, and then below that is the terms for the toolbar / asterixware that they are going to install with the most important thing...

THE TICKBOX TO SAY YOU AGREE IS PRE-CHECKED!

That is exactly NOT what is suppose to happen, because an unsuspecting or click fingered person couldclick the play button without reading all the terms, and the pre-ticked box means nothing will stop them from getting the freaking toolbar dumped on them.

It fails the stink test - and it means that the end user has consented to nothing, because there is no way to tell that the user in fact agreed and was aware.

it is another slimey way to operate, and much in keeping with zango's checkered past.

I did not write the article, Einstein.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Yes, my primary concern in this business is looking out for my own bottom line and self interests. I'll consider helping others once I have my own house in order. Call me selfish if you will, but I tend to look after my own interests first and foremost.





I'm really indifferent as to what you do with Zango to be honest, I just think your crusade will continue with minimal results or the opposite effect (making webmasters promote Zango). I can tell you from first hand experience, because of your efforts, their brand is out there much more than before.

Either way, I'm not going to bother pursuing this argument with you anymore as I really don't care what happens to Zango or your cause with them. Like I said, my interest in this is getting paid and making sure my own interests are covered for my business. Go about your crusade and best of luck.

WG

then you will have no problem when i release a script that overwrites a user's host file and attaches my aff id to every site in the host file?

great! i look forward to stealing your traffic and sales...

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by baddog

I did not write the article, Einstein.

I know that... but you did post it without attribution... so who knows?

Anyway, the funniest part of all of this is that they point to the new truste program... and in their terms I find this:

Consent to Download is RequiredConsumers must be offered notice and an opportunity to consent that is described in plain language and is as prominently displayed as the option to not download. Consent to download may not be obtained with a pre-selected option. EULAs and ?opt-out? mechanisms are insufficient for providing notice and obtaining consent.

It took me all of about 10 seconds to find it. Zango certainly appear to be less than "up to code" even on their own website.

http://www.truste.org/td/executive_summary.php

[will76]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Yes, my primary concern in this business is looking out for my own bottom line and self interests. I'll consider helping others once I have my own house in order. Call me selfish if you will, but I tend to look after my own interests first and foremost.





I'm really indifferent as to what you do with Zango to be honest, I just think your crusade will continue with minimal results or the opposite effect (making webmasters promote Zango). I can tell you from first hand experience, because of your efforts, their brand is out there much more than before.

Either way, I'm not going to bother pursuing this argument with you anymore as I really don't care what happens to Zango or your cause with them. Like I said, my interest in this is getting paid and making sure my own interests are covered for my business. Go about your crusade and best of luck.

WG

I am not trying to save the world however I do realize that inorder for me to get anything changed I need the support of as many people as I can get.

The problem with this industry is too many people like you. I agree everyone should make sure they have their shit straight but how about giving 1 ounce of effort to help . no i guess that is too much for some people. At the very least, stop all the posts where you try to undermind everything we are doing. I guess it is easier for you to make posts saying stufff like I am trying to tell everyone how to run their business, but you wish me luck thanks.

[RawAlex]

Wiredguy, in my opinion, you are pulling crabgrass out of your front lawn while the house is burning down. It doesn't matter how good your shit is, you probably lose more sales and more money because of toolbars, spyware, and scammers than anything you can fix on your end.

Cams and dating are two very hot markets on the net right now, and pretty much anywhere you send a zango (or other asterixware) equipped surfer to is going to trigger either a "same company new affiliate code" popup or a popup for a competiting site.

There is no amount of crabgrass you can pull that will make that go away.

[will76]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Wiredguy, in my opinion, you are pulling crabgrass out of your front lawn while the house is burning down. It doesn't matter how good your shit is, you probably lose more sales and more money because of toolbars, spyware, and scammers than anything you can fix on your end.

Cams and dating are two very hot markets on the net right now, and pretty much anywhere you send a zango (or other asterixware) equipped surfer to is going to trigger either a "same company new affiliate code" popup or a popup for a competiting site.

There is no amount of crabgrass you can pull that will make that go away.

The funny thing is that he sends traffic to both AFF and sexsearch. I wonder what his secrets are to getting his house in order ? I am curious does that involve stricking deals with those companies to increase your payouts or do you have some nifty programming that deflects zango from your traffic.

Of all people WG, I though you were smarter then this. Not only did you promote zangocash but you also promoted AFF and Sex search amoung other sites that you would lose sales to from your stupid .40 installs.
Nothing like pooking a few holes in the pool then trying to fill it up with water.

[RawAlex]

I am picturing a self inflicted wound here...

[Blazed]

Will do you have agoraphobia? No real friends? Have nightmares over zango and wake up in cold sweats? You need help dude, seriously. Im sure there will be some shrinks specializing in zango caused self harming to accommodate you soon