About NATS and signup ratios - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty F · 12-03-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Because we have it scheduled to be released and announced Monday. I'm not going to sit here and play your games. Have fun annoying the people on here who have time to bother with your bullshit.

What bullshit John?

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

What bullshit John?

Like I said, I don't have the time.

Dirty F · 12-03-2006, 02:14 PM

John you seem very upset because there seem to be problems with either nats or programs using nats. Maybe instead of being so defensive you should come up with theories what could cause this.

DarkJedi · 12-03-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Those who love to generate attention for themselves on GFY seem to love to twist words tho. If you think someone is shaving, say something, don't just go around hinting at subtle things to get your sig views.

Yeah, accuse a program of shaving without posting proof.

Dirty F · 12-03-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Like I said, I don't have the time.

Ofcourse you dont.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

John you seem very upset because there seem to be problems with either nats or programs using nats. Maybe instead of being so defensive you should come up with theories what could cause this.

I'm not upset at all. Nor defensive.

This is exactly the games you love to play on here that I'm talking about. If you have something direct to ask, ask it. If you have something to say, say it. Don't play games. I know this is a hobby to you but believe it or not some people consider this a business. Not a board to come on and fuck with people to get some laughs and a nice post count.

Dirty F · 12-03-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I'm not upset at all. Nor defensive.

This is exactly the games you love to play on here that I'm talking about. If you have something direct to ask, ask it. If you have something to say, say it. Don't play games. I know this is a hobby to you but believe it or not some people consider this a business. Not a board to come on and fuck with people to get some laughs and a nice post count.

Wtf are you talking about. I already said it. There seem to be problems with either nats or some programs running it. Maybe someone should have a close fucking look at it.

Playing games? Postcount? Wtf are you smoking man.

Dirty F · 12-03-2006, 02:20 PM

Whoopiedo, i just passed 39k. You seriously think i give a fuck?

viva celebs · 12-03-2006, 02:22 PM

i've noticed a difference in the wrong direction, but i dont have a long time frame to really give a good judgement on it...

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Wtf are you talking about. I already said it. There seem to be problems with either nats or some programs running it. Maybe someone should have a close fucking look at it.

Playing games? Postcount? Wtf are you smoking man.

There are no problems. There WAS a problem with fleshlightcash which has been addressed on here a dozen times. There aren't any tracking problems or signup problems. There are a few affiliates who like to blame their problems on NATS.

If a program switches, and 100 people have improved ratios and 10 have worse ratios you will hear from 2 out of the 100 with improved ratios and all 10 of those who have worse ratios.

We check overall #s when someone is complaining about their ratios dropping (exclusive of type-in and in house traffic) and overall the #s are always in the same general range, maybe a bit down, maybe a bit up, but overall about the same.

Saying "NATS has a problem" is vague. If you have seen a problem, tell us what it is specifically. Otherwise you're just wasting people's time.

Dirty F · 12-03-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

There are a few affiliates

A few?? How about 3 pages full of them?

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:23 PM

Also,

"Some programs running it"... we have several hundred clients. We can't sit here and go thru every one looking for "Franck's mysterious problem". If you have an issue let us know what it actually is and we're glad to help.

Dirty F · 12-03-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by viva celebs

i've noticed a difference in the wrong direction, but i dont have a long time frame to really give a good judgement on it...

Basically everybody does. Everybody but the program owners and the nats owners

DarkJedi · 12-03-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I'm not upset at all. Nor defensive.

This is exactly the games you love to play on here that I'm talking about. If you have something direct to ask, ask it.

I have something direct to ask.

What the fuck is "verified signups" ?

Is it set up the same way for all programs or are there different variables to be used?

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

A few?? How about 3 pages full of them?

Which affiliate program are you referring to that they are complaining about?

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I have something direct to ask.

What the fuck is "verified signups" ?

Is it set up the same way for all programs or are there different variables to be used?

We've realized this is an area that could be confusing or worrisome to affiliates and we are making some changes and will have an announcement about it Monday as stated above.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Basically everybody does. Everybody but the program owners and the nats owners

It easy to argue when you just make things up, isn't it?

DarkJedi · 12-03-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Also,

"Some programs running it"... we have several hundred clients. We can't sit here and go thru every one looking for "Franck's mysterious problem".

So you actually do not monitor programs for sales skimming, like you said you did?

DarkJedi · 12-03-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

We've realized this is an area that could be confusing or worrisome to affiliates and we are making some changes and will have an announcement about it Monday as stated above.

I can already picture these change.

Make it invisible to the affiliates.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

So you actually do not monitor programs for sales skimming, like you said you did?

We look into issues from time to time. Do we check every single program every single day, no. I don't ever recall saying we "monitor" people. If I did, I'd like to see it.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I can already picture these change.

Make it invisible to the affiliates.

Actually, its exactly the opposite. I don't know what your problem is but based on your history here it seems you just like to anger people and create problems.

DarkJedi · 12-03-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Actually, its exactly the opposite. I don't know what your problem is but based on your history here it seems you just like to anger people and create problems.

You know what my problem is? I've lost $11000 on this 'verified signups' bullshit this year and God knows how much more with the whole NATS switch.

I think is only fair to wonder why my sales got 2x worse since the switch.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

You know what my problem is? I've lost $11000 on this 'verified signups' bullshit this year and God know how much more with the whole NATS switch.

I think is only fair to wonder why my sales got 2x worse since the switch.

Flashcash has ALWAYS had verified signups. They're now required to SHOW you them.

diesel · 12-03-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Yeah no offense but i have to yet to see one program owner who didnt have an increase.

I bet its true in your case but its funny how often the affiliates say completely other things.

I have never heard that related to our company and I cant find any single reason why this problem should exist. NATS written very well and it handles pretty amount of traffic and sales on our side.We made a lot of tests when we bought the software and the results were always exact. If the usage of NATS is correct it should work very well. This is very proffesional company and I know this from our own experience with them.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:39 PM

If your problem is with Flashcash moving to NATS why don't you complain to Flashcash about moving to NATS rather than just running complaining about us. If there really is a widespread problem and it is effecting all Flashcash affiliates and they all complain about it to Flashcash I'm quite sure they would move away from our software. Most likely the problem is the issue isn't as widespread as you would like to believe.

TheDoc · 12-03-2006, 02:42 PM

I haven't seen every nats program come here and say ratios & sales improved once they added nats. Some have, some do, and some don't. Nats has 300ish clients, I see most gfy posts target the same 8 clients and complain.

I'm sure Mayor won't mind some good promo here. I have seen how well webmasters do with MayorsMoney. They have great sites, great niches, and NATS setup how it should be setup. They convert amazing and so do webmasters.

I have promoted NATS, MPA, CCBill, and almost every half popular program. The software has made little difference. The sites, the niche, and if they dried up for my traffic made the difference. Some people change and it hurts, some people don't change and it hurts, others grow and have mad success.

It's not the software.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by diesel

I have never heard that related to our company and I cant find any single reason why this problem should exist. NATS written very well and it handles pretty amount of traffic and sales on our side.We made a lot of tests when we bought the software and the results were always exact. If the usage of NATS is correct it should work very well. This is very proffesional company and I know this from our own experience with them.

Thank you. Its not odd that from time to time a few people will see a negative effect or coincidentally after the move their performance worsens. Unfortunately, in this industry, and especially on this board, those people tend to be very very loud where as those who do well try to keep as quiet as they can.

DarkJedi · 12-03-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

If your problem is with Flashcash moving to NATS why don't you complain to Flashcash about moving to NATS rather than just running complaining about us. If there really is a widespread problem and it is effecting all Flashcash affiliates and they all complain about it Flashcash I'm quite sure they would move away from our software. Most likely the problem is the issue isn't as widespread as you would like to believe.

I did complain. All their webmasters did (just take a look at their message board)

They just say that everything is normal.

I actually believed that untill I saw how many people here on GFY have had problems since the NATS switch.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I did complain. All their webmasters did (just take a look at their message board)

They just say that everything is normal.

I actually believed that untill I saw how many people here on GFY have had problems since the NATS switch.

I have spoken to Buddy about it before and I will again this week. Believe me, if there IS a problem I want nothing more than to find it. If affiliates aren't happy with NATS, NATS becomes worthless. As Doc said, we have hundreds of clients, the complaints are often about a small few and from a certain group of people. Nevertheless, I have no problem at all looking into something. All you have to do is ask us to and we will. Unfortunately that is usually never done and people just start posting generalized NATS threads on GFY for whatever reason they feel that is the right thing to do.

Also, Flashcash is a very large program which has been around for a very long time. What may seem like a lot of affiliates complaining may be very much a minority relative to the size of the program.

diesel · 12-03-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Thank you. Its not odd that from time to time a few people will see a negative effect or coincidentally after the move their performance worsens. Unfortunately, in this industry, and especially on this board, those people tend to be very very loud where as those who do well try to keep as quiet as they can.

This is true.I often hear our partners saying that they wont share their stats just to keep the program unsaturated, which is almost a myth I think. Lots of old classic sites keep rolling with same ratios these days.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by diesel

This is true.I often hear our partners saying that they wont share their stats just to keep the program unsaturated, which is almost a myth I think. Lots of old classic sites keep rolling with same ratios these days.

Yeah, thats the main reason I hear for those who are happy keeping quiet. I can understand them of course, but I think you're right in that it's more of an urban legend. Many large sites have been around for years and years with very heavy affiliate promotion and still convert just as well as the day they were launched.

interracialtoons · 12-03-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Because we have it scheduled to be released and announced Monday. I'm not going to sit here and play your games. Have fun annoying the people on here who have time to bother with your bullshit.

You say that I "bash" you but I'm not.

I only say that for me personally I don't do well with programs that use your system. I cannot pin-point a particular reason.

I am 1:15000 with a program that uses NATS and it's a program with really good sites. I used to do well with them but things went down very steeply. It wasn't like I got fewer, then fewer, then fewer sign ups.
I went from "slamming" to nothing. Once the signups stopped they never returned, not even an occasional signup.

A sudden stop in sign ups seems like something went wrong rather than things are slowing down.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by interracialtoons

You say that I "bash" you but I'm not.

I only say that for me personally I don't do well with programs that use your system. I cannot pin-point a particular reason.

I am 1:15000 with a program that uses NATS and it's a program with really good sites. I used to do well with them but things went down very steeply. It wasn't like I got fewer, then fewer, then fewer sign ups.
I went from "slamming" to nothing. Once the signups stopped they never returned, not even an occasional signup.

A sudden stop in sign ups seems like something went wrong rather than things are slowing down.

Have you ever contacted us to look into it for you?

scottybuzz · 12-03-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

AHHHH sure surfer!!

You got owned real fucking bad in this thread

Bookmarked for future reference

explain where I got owned? your the one who feel for my retard comment left right and center and was gonna flame me bad.

anyway im 18, i deserve to be owned now and again, you must be like 35 looking at your pictures, im owning you all the time dad.

interracialtoons · 12-03-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

We've realized this is an area that could be confusing or worrisome to affiliates and we are making some changes and will have an announcement about it Monday as stated above.

So, you say "ask a direct question" and this is what you say when you get a direct question. It's not a direct answer.

WTF is going to change by monday?
You either know what it is or you don't.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by interracialtoons

So, you say "ask a direct question" and this is what you say when you get a direct question. It's not a direct answer.

WTF is going to change by monday?
You either know what it is or you don't.

For the 3rd time. We will be releasing it Monday. I have the press release sitting on my desk at the office. We were waiting on the code changes to be finished over the weekend.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

explain where I got owned? your the one who feel for my retard comment left right and center and was gonna flame me bad.

anyway im 18, i deserve to be owned now and again, you must be like 35 looking at your pictures, im owning you all the time dad.

Can you have your pissing match somewhere else please?

DarkJedi · 12-03-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by interracialtoons

I used to do well with them but things went down very steeply. It wasn't like I got fewer, then fewer, then fewer sign ups.
I went from "slamming" to nothing. Once the signups stopped they never returned, not even an occasional signup.

A sudden stop in sign ups seems like something went wrong rather than things are slowing down.

Bingo.
Thats exactly what happened to me.

And trust me, when you're making 40-50 sales per day, things like that stand out pretty obviously.

interracialtoons · 12-03-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Have you ever contacted us to look into it for you?

I contacted the sponsor and they said "everything looks good on our end".

Which to me means thay didn't actually look at anything.

It's not like they said: "We did 3 test sign ups; your main link, your hosted gallieries, and a bookmark and they all worked perfectly."

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by interracialtoons

I contacted the sponsor and they said "everything looks good on our end".

Which to me means thay didn't actually look at anything.

It's not like they said: "We did 3 test sign ups; your main link, your hosted gallieries, and a bookmark and they all worked perfectly."

We've said time and time again affiliates can contact us if they have a problem and we will look into it. What sponsor program is it and what is your account name? I will contact them and get it looked into.

scottybuzz · 12-03-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Can you have your pissing match somewhere else please?

sorry sorry sorry

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 03:06 PM

interracialtoons; a general suggestion for you. Take the auto-playing sound off your page. That will get a nice % of surfers to close their browser very quickly and never visit your site again. The last thing they need is their wife or children woken up at 3am while they are surfing porn.

tranza · 12-03-2006, 03:08 PM

No reply from FlashCash yet?

Axeman · 12-03-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

If someone knows of a problem or bug with nats, they will fix it. But between webmasters, surfers, and the programs nobody has seen any "issues" that would cause sales or ratios to drop.

NATS programs can be setup very differently. From processors, the amount of processors, how exits/xsales work and credit, if we have geoip or not, and more than I can list. NATS also tracks more clicks, all clicks even if the visitor never sees the tour. Then we have to look at the sites, the niches, all that bs..

I have seen sites using nats which convert 1:200-400 for webmasters steady for long periods of time.

I like to think that if something is wrong, someone would have noticed it. Lots of smart people use nats in all types of ways. Look at the program, look at the setup, the niches, and errors made by the program.. No reason to blame the software until we can find a problem with the software.

I agree fully. Almost every company has their nats setup differently with the cascades, tracking etc.

We have seen our sales nearly double since putting in NATS. Cascading accounts for some of that.

interracialtoons · 12-03-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

We've said time and time again affiliates can contact us if they have a problem and we will look into it. What sponsor program is it and what is your account name? I will contact them and get it looked into.

They were contacted and they did what they are going to do.
I just wrote the program off.

I'm not going to beg 3 or four differrent people to check into the problem.
If they say everything is working then that means the entire program is crap and should be dumped since I can't make any money with "everything working".

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by interracialtoons

They were contacted and they did what they are going to do.
I just wrote the program off.

I'm not going to beg 3 or four differrent people to check into the problem.
If they say everything is working then that means the entire program is crap and should be dumped since I can't make any money with "everything working".

So its only one NATS program you had a problem with?

interracialtoons · 12-03-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

interracialtoons; a general suggestion for you. Take the auto-playing sound off your page. That will get a nice % of surfers to close their browser very quickly and never visit your site again. The last thing they need is their wife or children woken up at 3am while they are surfing porn.

What kind of browser are you using?
It dosen't autoplay in IE, you have to click.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by interracialtoons

What kind of browser are you using?
It dosen't autoplay in IE, you have to click.

I'm using Firefox 2, and it auto-plays for me. Was just a heads up to you. Thats a very bad thing for surfers.

interracialtoons · 12-03-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

So its only one NATS program you had a problem with?

No, that was just the one that seems so ridiculous that I would think the sponsor would really look into it. if I had an affiliate sending non-popup/exit traffic with a 1:15000 ratio then I would try to find a way to make that better for my sake alone.

TMM_John · 12-03-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by interracialtoons

No, that was just the one that seems so ridiculous that I would think the sponsor would really look into it. if I had an affiliate sending non-popup/exit traffic with a 1:15000 ratio then I would try to find a way to make that better for my sake alone.

I doubt you will, but could you tell me the programs you had issues with?

It doesn't help anyone to just make random general complaints with no info so the problem can't be looked into.

12-03-2006, 02:14 PM	#53
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	John you seem very upset because there seem to be problems with either nats or programs using nats. Maybe instead of being so defensive you should come up with theories what could cause this. Last edited by Dirty F; 12-03-2006 at 02:16 PM..

12-03-2006, 02:23 PM	#62
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	Also, "Some programs running it"... we have several hundred clients. We can't sit here and go thru every one looking for "Franck's mysterious problem". If you have an issue let us know what it actually is and we're glad to help. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

12-03-2006, 02:39 PM	#75
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	If your problem is with Flashcash moving to NATS why don't you complain to Flashcash about moving to NATS rather than just running complaining about us. If there really is a widespread problem and it is effecting all Flashcash affiliates and they all complain about it to Flashcash I'm quite sure they would move away from our software. Most likely the problem is the issue isn't as widespread as you would like to believe. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS! Last edited by TMM_John; 12-03-2006 at 02:41 PM..

12-03-2006, 02:42 PM	#76
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I haven't seen every nats program come here and say ratios & sales improved once they added nats. Some have, some do, and some don't. Nats has 300ish clients, I see most gfy posts target the same 8 clients and complain. I'm sure Mayor won't mind some good promo here. I have seen how well webmasters do with MayorsMoney. They have great sites, great niches, and NATS setup how it should be setup. They convert amazing and so do webmasters. I have promoted NATS, MPA, CCBill, and almost every half popular program. The software has made little difference. The sites, the niche, and if they dried up for my traffic made the difference. Some people change and it hurts, some people don't change and it hurts, others grow and have mad success. It's not the software. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

12-03-2006, 03:06 PM	#92
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	interracialtoons; a general suggestion for you. Take the auto-playing sound off your page. That will get a nice % of surfers to close their browser very quickly and never visit your site again. The last thing they need is their wife or children woken up at 3am while they are surfing porn. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

12-03-2006, 02:20 PM	#58
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Whoopiedo, i just passed 39k. You seriously think i give a fuck?

12-03-2006, 02:22 PM	#59
viva celebs Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and protectorates Posts: 681	i've noticed a difference in the wrong direction, but i dont have a long time frame to really give a good judgement on it...

12-03-2006, 03:08 PM	#93
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	No reply from FlashCash yet? __________________ I'm just a newbie.