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View Poll Results: BEST WAR MOVIES
Saving Private Ryan (1998) 25 47.17%
Three Kings (1999) 2 3.77%
Apocalypse Now (1979) 14 26.42%
The Longest Day (1962) 5 9.43%
A Bridge Too Far (1977) 2 3.77%
Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970) 3 5.66%
Casablanca (1942) 0 0%
Summer of '42 (1971) 0 0%
Platoon (1986) 20 37.74%
Black Hawk Down (2001) 9 16.98%
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:35 PM   #1
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Best War Movies

This is a list i put together considering different period in time and different wars

Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Three Kings (1999)
Apocalypse Now (1979)
The Longest Day (1962)
A Bridge Too Far (1977)
Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970)
Casablanca (1942)
Summer of '42 (1971)
Platoon (1986)
Black Hawk Down (2001)
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:39 PM   #2
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Deer Hunter
All quiet on the Western Front
Glory
The Patriot

Although it wasn't the best war movie, I think Jarhead was the most real depiction of Military life.
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:40 PM   #3
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Monty Python's The Holy Grail - I think it was during a time of war.
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Id add Glory to that list.
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:41 PM   #5
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I voted for TORA TORA TORA!

today 2 TV stations are showing that movie, perfect timing
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:42 PM   #6
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:43 PM   #7
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Saving Private Ryan was an amazing and insightful movie.
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:49 PM   #8
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what about Braveheart!!!

i voted Apacalypse Now & Platoon
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I like airplanes and aviation movies, another movie to mention in that line would be Memphis Belle, the best aerial combat scenes.
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:50 PM   #10
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Although it wasn't the best war movie, I think Jarhead was the most real depiction of Military life.
According to my old man, who was in vietnam, platoon is about as realistic as you can get.
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:53 PM   #11
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Where the hell is Full Metal Jacket?
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:01 PM   #12
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Where the hell is Full Metal Jacket?
I agree, for sure that should be on the list
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:02 PM   #13
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Saving Private Ryan has same miss as another of my favorit Kellys Hero,
The rebuild a T-34 as a Tiger but Saving Private Ryan this time
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:04 PM   #14
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Apocalypse Now got my vote... but once I saw a movie called "When trumphets fade" anyone seen that one?
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:05 PM   #15
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braveheart
the patriot
full metal jacket
band of brothers
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:08 PM   #16
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My fav is not on your list... Enemy at the gates.
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:12 PM   #17
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From there I choose Savind Private Ryan but I prefer BraveHeart for sure
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:13 PM   #18
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My fav is not on your list... Enemy at the gates.
Was going to mention that.. also Band of Brothers, not really a movie, but a great series.
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:16 PM   #19
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Where the hell is Full Metal Jacket?
The best one ever made
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:26 PM   #21
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I never liked to watch war movies until I saw Saving Private Ryan. I found myself captivated by the fact that young men were put in those positions and had to deal with it.

Now when I got to Blockbuster I get a new release and a free movie. I've been picking up all those old war movies I'd passed on before. Last night I watched Platoon and I've got Brave Heart on the table.

Right now my vote goes to Saving private Ryan. Great story line in a well produced movie.
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:30 PM   #22
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My fav is not on your list... Enemy at the gates.
Enemy at the gates was terrible, Everyone had a british Accent. Even the russians had british accents
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Deer Hunter
All quiet on the Western Front
Glory
The Patriot

Although it wasn't the best war movie, I think Jarhead was the most real depiction of Military life.
Damn. I agree with Josh.

DeerHunter was rock solid, and the other 3 are classics.
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:47 PM   #24
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What about THE THIN RED LINE? I agree with the BRAVEHEART comment as well...but I voted PLATOON.
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:54 PM   #25
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Thirded. Any of Kubricks War movies are awesome. Paths of Glory is amazing.
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:16 PM   #26
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:24 PM   #27
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Flags Of Our Fathers

One of the greatest war movies since saving private ryan.
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:25 PM   #28
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Full metal it is man,
The best there is.
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Saving Private Ryan was an amazing and insightful movie.
thats my pick too
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You forgot Band of Brothers, one of the best!
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Old 12-07-2006, 07:39 PM   #34
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my parents took me to see tora tora tora when I was 7 yrs old . God im old lol
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All those movies are great! My top two are Saving Private Ryan and Black Hawk Down.
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I miss there for example Full Metal Jacket or Paths Of Glory, voted for Apocalypse Now and Platoon.

My all time most favourite war movies as war as war books are the german ones - no patriotic or communist shit and no fairy tales:

Stalingrad (1993) - like if someone kicked you in balls
Das Boot (1981) - I recommend the Director's cut that is nearly four hours long, but you won't breathe

Sorry, Saving Private Ryan is a sweet patriotic fairy tale, nothing against mr. Hanks or mr. Spielberg, but it's exactly the thing suited for the US audience. The only good thing the movie did is that the young assess know that there was ever a World War II, thanks for that.
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Old 12-07-2006, 08:09 PM   #38
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I liked Platoon best.
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When we were soldiers.
And how could you forget "Paton"... George C. Scott...C'Mon"!
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Moxxx you need to redo this thread and add Paths of Glory and Full Metal Jacket to your poll.
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To me the war films that I enjoy the most are the ones where the war is more of a character..a backdrop...rather than the battlefield stuff
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Longest day and Bridge too far are classics.

All Quiet on the Western front and Das Boot are good to involve you on the flip side of your thinking, as an Englishman in my case.

Platoon and Saving Private Ryan are great for making you realise what it is actually like without the Hollywood glory.

I also love Apocalypse now, Hamburger Hill and Bridge over the River Kwai.

Hard to choose 1 or 2....
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It's hard to beat Apocalypse Now when it comes to gritty realism.
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Bridge over the River Kwai has to be the first serious warm film I saw as a kid and it gets better the older I am and the more I understand the world
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You left out the ONLY TRUE military movie, "We Were Soldiers." How do I know? I was there! On the knoll. All the rest you've listed are mere hollywood immitations. Platoon came to the closest to reality in your list.
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Left out "A Thin Red Line"

Fucking awesome war flick.
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