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DateDoc · 12-13-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Now, if you really want to get a better understanding of the subject, I recommend you spend 5 minutes surfing each of the "teen" TGPs that Slick runs. You might have a different opinion after that (please don't use webmaster eyes to look at things, look at it like some newbie without knowloedge of the models and the business).

So you are saying presumed guilty until proven innocent is the way to go?

Bama · 12-13-2006, 11:50 AM

I love the mentality of the adult webmaster community....

Instead of resolving an issue, advice flows in on how to "get around it" and more "woe is me" comments than I care to hear. This is one of the greatest gigs in the world. It's easy to make a living doing it, but there are a few simple RULES that have to be followed to stay off anyone's radar and keep your ass out of hot water.

1 Don't send out unsolicited spam
2. Don't use illegal content
3. Be 2257 compliant

Following those 3 simple rules will most likely keep your business under the radar and your ass out of anyone's hot seat. But, I can't help but chuckle when I hear someone breaking one of those RULES and they get on someone's radar/in somone's hotseat and some of you folks yell about the steps they're taking because they're not following the RULES in the actionable steps they're taking..... in this case, locking the account.

Now, all that said Slick, it looks like you're trying to run a decent business and since no one has approached this thread in a manner where you might actually get this issue resolved (and avoided next time) let me give you some words of wisdom that might actually help you out.

Stop Bitching About Them Locking Your Account.
You agreed to their TOS when you signed up using their service so complaining about them evoking an action you agreed to allow them to evoke is a waste of time and money. Focus on "WHY they did" and resolve that - and yes, you did things (addressed below) that caused the problem yourself.

Stop Auto Cropping Your Thumbs
If you're going to use thumbs like this one to promote websites http://207.226.163.35/filthybrats/th214105.jpg you damn well better be sure that it is 2257 compliant and according to her website http://galleries.sweetpaige.com/14rs...p?CCBC=1216876 she is.

I would not be surprised if this was the image that put you in the hot seat. That gallery is made to represent a very young girl. You know it, I know it and anyone with half a brain can see that. I would suggest to you to make your thumbs manually to avoid altering the scene of the original image.

Become 2257 Compliant
You are not and since you're skirting with very young teen depictions, bells and whistles on someone's radar are going off left and right.

Take a look at the 2257 information you posted on your website.

All other visual depictions displayed on this Website are exempt from the provision of 18 U.S.C. section 2257 and 28 C.F.R. 75 because said they do not portray conduct as specifically listed in 18 U.S.C section 2256 (2) (A) through (D), but are merely depictions of non-sexually explicit nudity, or are depictions of simulated sexual conduct, or are otherwise exempt because the visual depictions were created prior to July 3, 1995.

Two things immediately come to mind in reading this:
A). No sponsor I know of is distributing pre 1995 shot content for webmaster use these days
B). If you think putting an underaged teen's image between 2 other thumbs with obviously legal images of a cock in a mouth or cum dripping off her chin and hide behind the "well, that one particular image isn't depicting a sex act" is going to fly.... you are skating on very thin ice so don't be surprised when you fall through.

You go on to say in your 2257 information: THIS LIST IS NOT COMPLETE YET, BUT WILL BE UPDATED SHORTLY.

Ok, you just admitted that your website isn't 2257 compliant so get it there.

Not everything can be automated through the use of scripts so take a day and make it so.... then spend the following day making sure it is again and periodically check to see if the sites you're trading with look legit and if you see images on their site that make you ponder - ask them about it. It shows you care about the quality of your trades and you're watching each others backs.

Taking these steps will do you a world of good and if you keep running your business with this mentality, I doubt you'd ever have to encounter this problem again and if by some chance you did, THEN sue their asses!

My parting advice is to send them an email asking for a copy of the original complaint and also tell them you're going to take the above steps to resolve any problems in 2 days and ask that they unlock your account to do so. Be nice in your request and I think you'll see favorable results.

Good Luck!

RawAlex · 12-13-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterPorn

So you are saying presumed guilty until proven innocent is the way to go?

No, I am saying "I can see where the complaints would come from"...

Thanks Bama, the long version but you are correct, IMHO.

sarettah · 12-13-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

money extortion from illegal activities. Of course you didn't quote it since you appear to be a selective reader. I'll quote it for you:

"CONTENT OBTAINED WITHOUT RELIABLE CONSENT.
You agree that if we determine that your use of our Services or System is in any way connected or affiliated with the display, promotion, or dissemination of content obtained without reliable consent from each participant-e.g., sexual or nude images involving children under the age of 18, bestiality, murder, rape-we may charge your account a penalty in the amount of US $1,000.00 for every domain name in violation of this section. You further agree that we may collect these penalties by any means we deem necessary, including but not limited to charging any credit card you have on file with us or auctioning your domains."

I quoted that in at least one of these threads.

That is called a penalty and if you check I believe that you will find that icann allows them to assess a penalty if they so choose.

procam · 12-13-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterPorn

So you are saying presumed guilty until proven innocent is the way to go?

Yup sounds about right, remember we are still under the Bush administration everyone's guilty until proven innocent!

This trend will not change until we get these damn conservatives OUT of control of everything!

tranza · 12-13-2006, 11:55 AM

That's fucked up dude. I hope you are able to move them, you seem to have quite a nice network there...

pornonada · 12-13-2006, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

The ToS is there. Slick agreed to it when he formed the account and registered the domains. It doesn't say "we can only ask for 1 ID"... Slick's sites have hundreds of images on every page.

So now what? let's say each site has 500 galleries with archives and he has 20 sites so you want to tell me that it's normally that 10.000 model id's (Whether with blackout info or not) are requested?? But even IF he unknowingly agreed to it, it still doesn't give anyone the right to force him to do something that might or mostly IS a crime itself. Additionally i doubt that anybody running a network of tgp's could provide (even if possible) such information within 1 weel. Even another additionally is that many sponsor REFUSE to give out Model IDs to 3rd persons, but only hand them over when contacted/requested by authorities!!!
It writes in their TOS that THEY can investigate cases WHEN there are violations of the TOS. I did NOT read that it writes ANYWHERE they CAN REQUEST whatever they want information. If they want to investigate it, they can contact the FBI, the affilate programs or whomever they want, but i did NOT read it writes the CAN REQUEST DOCUMENTS from the client generally or regarding the age of models. If i'am wrong show me please where you readed it.
Following your logic they could also request a car documents from a car selling site if there is a complaint that someone things there are stollen cars too, lol. Dude, don't you see it's not a registars work? I have said it before, i really would prefer to deal directly with a cyber squad from the FBI which immediatly would see how useless this is than dealing with a Registar who things he can do his own whatever he wants.

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

If Slick wants to keep the domains and stay within his contract with Directnic, he need to follow the terms of the ToS or find a lawyer that can get that ToS negated in some fashion. Otherwise he is pretty much in a bad place.

Since when it is reverse that someone is guilty without evidience? Did you see CP or underage on his page? Do you have any proof that his FHGs he is using from sponsors are illegal? If you answered the last 2 questions with NO than where is the problem?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Now, if you really want to get a better understanding of the subject, I recommend you spend 5 minutes surfing each of the "teen" TGPs that Slick runs. You might have a different opinion after that (please don't use webmaster eyes to look at things, look at it like some newbie without knowloedge of the models and the business).

Who cares about opinions? Of course everybody has opintions but that's not what people get sentenced for. There are facts and CP is when a girl is in fact below the age of 18 and not when i personally have a feeling she doesn't look like 18. And of course are Teen sites full with Thumbs of 18 year olds, many maybe only some days or weeks 18, but they are, if you like the thumbs or not it doesn't make the models younger, lol.

Simon IA Cash · 12-13-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick

We require a current state issued photo id or passport for the models represented on the followings site that clearly shows their face and their date of birth.

Interesting how they don't even mention the words 2257. Definitely sounds like a complaint they received and subsequently acted upon. Whether or not they are overstepping their boundaries as registrar, I'm sure the FBI wants 2257 violations reported and not independently investigated. It compromises their whole legal process. As has already been mentioned, current IDs wouldn't prove they were of legal age at the time of the shoot anyway. That e-mail is a testament to their lack of professionalism.

Pointing to sponsors and asking investigators to look themselves isn't gonna fly. If you are the owner of a web site, you are responsible for its content. I don't see how that can be really argued against. The fact/problem is, to realistically follow 2257 as a third party provider, you would have to spend an impossible amount of time keeping track of it to the point where you couldn't effectively run your business. That may be the long-term point, of course. In the meantime, we all have to be on our toes with our fingers crossed, for Slick and our own sakes. Basically, to me, 2257 is a bomb just starting to drop, and being third party won't necessarily help you escape the blast.

sarettah · 12-13-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pornonada

It writes in their TOS that THEY can investigate cases WHEN there are violations of the TOS. I did NOT read that it writes ANYWHERE they CAN REQUEST whatever they want information.

Once again.... Please read carefully.

Quote:

You agree that we may take all necessary steps to investigate, document, and report any findings that you have violated this section, including but not limited to disclosing your account information to any and all appropriate law enforcement agencies.

This means that the investigation is conducted to see if the TOS has been violated, not conducted AFTER the TOS has been violated (as you suggest).

Joe Fredricks · 12-13-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike AI

Hmm 4 posts.

Funny. If adult webmasters are slinging CP or anything that panders on the line of CP and we get a complaint ( in most cases we are contacted by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children or the FBI) the domain is going to be locked until the issue is resolved.

If you feel a mass exodus is warranted, then by all means transfer your domains ASAP I am sure godaddy or moniker would love your business.

Post count bother you? Sorry bout that, I have a different home board, but this issue seems important enough to come out an take a peek at.

It sounds like you are doing more than locking a domain. Not being a first party to any of it I am merely making a generalized concerned comment.

I didn't suggest a mass exodus, I am pointing out that this issue is spilling out onto boards across the spectrum and many of those (sub) debates are indicating something like that is potentially a fear inspired defense to this situation.

I don't know enough about this to be saying what should and should not be done. I do know enough to make note that whatever does comes down, is going to require a healthy amount of diplomacy to prevent just such a fear inspred exodus. Not sure that your last comment qualifies at that.. LOL

pornonada · 12-13-2006, 01:38 PM

Slick,

take a look on this too, seems it's not that easy to deny a transfer. There is also a form on the icann site where problems with registars can be submitted.

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My registrar won't let me transfer my domain, what do I do?

If you're having trouble transferring your domain from one registrar to another, you should contact the registrar you want to transfer to for assistance. If your preferred registrar is having any trouble processing your transfer, your registrar can obtain assistance from ICANN or the registry operator as appropriate.

Registrars are not permitted to deny transfer requests arbitrarily. ICANN has no policy that permits or requires registrars to deny outgoing transfer requests solely because the registration is within X number of days before expiration. In any case where a "losing" registrar does deny a transfer request, it is required to provide the "gaining" registrar with a notice of the denial and a specific reason for the denial.

For your reference, the "Policy on Transfer of Sponsorship of Registrations Between Registrars" is set forth in Exhibit B to the Registry-Registrar Agreement. For details on updates to ICANN's transfer policies, please refer to <http://www.icann.org/transfers/>.

pornonada · 12-13-2006, 01:57 PM

maybe someone can read this agreement btw. icann and registars. I for myself couldn't find anything that allows a registar to shutdown, delete and/or terminate any account without a dispute decission, but my native language isn't english so i may miss something

http://www.icann.org/registrars/ra-a...nt-17may01.htm

edgeprod · 12-13-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Fredricks

Post count bother you? Sorry bout that, I have a different home board, but this issue seems important enough to come out an take a peek at

I can vouch for Joe, actually. He and I are both Moderators on a board that is owned by the company throwing the Hollywood conference in February. GFY rules preclude me from mentioning them or providing a link, but I'm sure you can figure it out.

Peaches · 12-13-2006, 04:44 PM

BAMA

Good to see you around again - and with logic attached

12-13-2006, 11:55 AM	#156
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12-13-2006, 01:57 PM	#162
pornonada Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 440	maybe someone can read this agreement btw. icann and registars. I for myself couldn't find anything that allows a registar to shutdown, delete and/or terminate any account without a dispute decission, but my native language isn't english so i may miss something http://www.icann.org/registrars/ra-a...nt-17may01.htm __________________ Biggest NOskim Network open for Trades/Linkexchanges 500+ Text, TGP, MGP and Link Sites for Trade! All Linkexchanges are autoapproved! Linkexchanges here - Traffic Trades Soon!

12-13-2006, 11:50 AM	#152
Bama Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 2,727	I love the mentality of the adult webmaster community.... Instead of resolving an issue, advice flows in on how to "get around it" and more "woe is me" comments than I care to hear. This is one of the greatest gigs in the world. It's easy to make a living doing it, but there are a few simple RULES that have to be followed to stay off anyone's radar and keep your ass out of hot water. 1 Don't send out unsolicited spam 2. Don't use illegal content 3. Be 2257 compliant Following those 3 simple rules will most likely keep your business under the radar and your ass out of anyone's hot seat. But, I can't help but chuckle when I hear someone breaking one of those RULES and they get on someone's radar/in somone's hotseat and some of you folks yell about the steps they're taking because they're not following the RULES in the actionable steps they're taking..... in this case, locking the account. Now, all that said Slick, it looks like you're trying to run a decent business and since no one has approached this thread in a manner where you might actually get this issue resolved (and avoided next time) let me give you some words of wisdom that might actually help you out. Stop Bitching About Them Locking Your Account. You agreed to their TOS when you signed up using their service so complaining about them evoking an action you agreed to allow them to evoke is a waste of time and money. Focus on "WHY they did" and resolve that - and yes, you did things (addressed below) that caused the problem yourself. Stop Auto Cropping Your Thumbs If you're going to use thumbs like this one to promote websites http://207.226.163.35/filthybrats/th214105.jpg you damn well better be sure that it is 2257 compliant and according to her website http://galleries.sweetpaige.com/14rs...p?CCBC=1216876 she is. I would not be surprised if this was the image that put you in the hot seat. That gallery is made to represent a very young girl. You know it, I know it and anyone with half a brain can see that. I would suggest to you to make your thumbs manually to avoid altering the scene of the original image. Become 2257 Compliant You are not and since you're skirting with very young teen depictions, bells and whistles on someone's radar are going off left and right. Take a look at the 2257 information you posted on your website. All other visual depictions displayed on this Website are exempt from the provision of 18 U.S.C. section 2257 and 28 C.F.R. 75 because said they do not portray conduct as specifically listed in 18 U.S.C section 2256 (2) (A) through (D), but are merely depictions of non-sexually explicit nudity, or are depictions of simulated sexual conduct, or are otherwise exempt because the visual depictions were created prior to July 3, 1995. Two things immediately come to mind in reading this: A). No sponsor I know of is distributing pre 1995 shot content for webmaster use these days B). If you think putting an underaged teen's image between 2 other thumbs with obviously legal images of a cock in a mouth or cum dripping off her chin and hide behind the "well, that one particular image isn't depicting a sex act" is going to fly.... you are skating on very thin ice so don't be surprised when you fall through. You go on to say in your 2257 information: THIS LIST IS NOT COMPLETE YET, BUT WILL BE UPDATED SHORTLY. Ok, you just admitted that your website isn't 2257 compliant so get it there. Not everything can be automated through the use of scripts so take a day and make it so.... then spend the following day making sure it is again and periodically check to see if the sites you're trading with look legit and if you see images on their site that make you ponder - ask them about it. It shows you care about the quality of your trades and you're watching each others backs. Taking these steps will do you a world of good and if you keep running your business with this mentality, I doubt you'd ever have to encounter this problem again and if by some chance you did, THEN sue their asses! My parting advice is to send them an email asking for a copy of the original complaint and also tell them you're going to take the above steps to resolve any problems in 2 days and ask that they unlock your account to do so. Be nice in your request and I think you'll see favorable results. Good Luck!

12-13-2006, 04:44 PM	#164
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	BAMA Good to see you around again - and with logic attached