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spazlabz · 12-29-2006, 12:32 PM

remember these two things ( and why didnt they catch on or last?)

TGP2

The saying "Never give them enough to get off on.

While I am certainly not as old skool as many I have been around full time for quite a few years and here is my take on these two

TGP2 failed miserably because TGPs were already a successful business model that gave plenty away, made plenty of money and there certainly wasnt any kind of unity to change the direction the industry was headed.

The saying died a slow death because its simple. If everyone is giving less, then you give a little more then you make more.

I wish TGP2 had been successful and I wish that the saying were as true today as it was back in 97

spaz

ADL Colin · 12-29-2006, 12:35 PM

I think you are spot on.

Sarah_Jayne · 12-29-2006, 12:36 PM

in a lot of ways I see blog posts as TGP2 finally happening.

ADL Colin · 12-29-2006, 12:37 PM

I think you are spot on.

Sarah_Jayne · 12-29-2006, 12:38 PM

in a lot of ways I see blog posts as TGP2 finally happening.

AaronM · 12-29-2006, 12:39 PM

Make them pay for pink.

Cyndalie · 12-29-2006, 12:41 PM

I agree with Sarah...that and 2257 regs have pushed alot of that free content back into sponsors control with hosted galleries rather than just giving content away.

TGP2 was a good try with the right mindset, however it's impossible to get everyone to change outlook for it to be 'sucessful' .. only by providing legal restrictions/regs or by promoting an alternative touted as 'more effective' rather than just as or less will get webmasters to change their mindset and marketing habits.

seeric · 12-29-2006, 12:43 PM

unity and this business don't go together.

spazlabz · 12-29-2006, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Make them pay for pink.

yup, that was another great one back in the day

spaz

ADL Colin · 12-29-2006, 12:47 PM

I can go to a movie TGP and find thousands of galleries ordered in categories, updated daily.

"TGP 2 Brainstorm" in Vegas

corvette · 12-29-2006, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spazlabz

The saying died a slow death because its simple. If everyone is giving less, then you give a little more then you make more.

game theory

ADL Colin · 12-29-2006, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

game theory

... Nice call

kane · 12-29-2006, 01:36 PM

I remember it and tried to submit galleries to it, but I found the people that ran those types of sites had such a wide range of what they wanted to see I would have to build a handful of different galleries just to make all of them happy and the small amount of traffic they had didn't make it worth the effort.

spazlabz · 12-29-2006, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

I remember it and tried to submit galleries to it, but I found the people that ran those types of sites had such a wide range of what they wanted to see I would have to build a handful of different galleries just to make all of them happy and the small amount of traffic they had didn't make it worth the effort.

i remember like a page that was set up that gave the 'standard rules' for creating the TGP2 galleries. it was still a bit tough to make the pages because their rules were pretty tight, but if it had been adopted, it would have been great

heres the problem that I contributed to..... I made TGP2 gallery pages at the same time I made the TGP ones, I continued to submit to both... eh, go figure huh?

spaz

Peaches · 12-29-2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

in a lot of ways I see blog posts as TGP2 finally happening.

In addition, I know at least a year or so ago, there was still decent sized TGP2 group running around. Not sure if they're still "active".

It was actually thought of LONG before they came up with the TGP2 name by Dragon King back when there were just link lists. I made a shitload of $$$$ when he had a link site that accepted submissions where not every picture went to a bigger picture

Jace · 12-29-2006, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spazlabz

heres the problem that I contributed to..... I made TGP2 gallery pages at the same time I made the TGP ones, I continued to submit to both... eh, go figure huh?

that is not a problem, that is smart business

when I am transitioning to a new marketing endeavor, I don't drop the other completely, I do both until the new one starts to pay off

ADL Colin · 12-29-2006, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

It was actually thought of LONG before they came up with the TGP2 name by Dragon King back when there were just link lists. I made a shitload of $$$$ when he had a link site that accepted submissions where not every picture went to a bigger picture

I remember that. Not the details though.

the Shemp · 12-29-2006, 01:55 PM

all the time the TGP2 gods were pushing their great new system, they never stopped submitting traditional galleries to regular TGPs and sneaking their TGP2s recips on the galleries...the TGP2 gods had feet of clay...

Peaches · 12-29-2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

I remember that. Not the details though.

It was back in the Condom days. DG got a wild hair up his ass and said "I'm going to try THIS!", lol.

I miss him. He's in CR and Wig saw him last year and said he was doing well

inabon · 12-29-2006, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

I can go to a movie TGP and find thousands of galleries ordered in categories, updated daily.

"TGP 2 Brainstorm" in Vegas

now whats wrong with this picture???? want to know why it did not work???

check out the table not enough alchohol

good ideas in this biz usually happen with a shit load of alchohol and fun LOL

they look bored

spazlabz · 12-29-2006, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

that is not a problem, that is smart business

when I am transitioning to a new marketing endeavor, I don't drop the other completely, I do both until the new one starts to pay off

right, smart business for me, I was still making good money from TGP submits... but it contributed to the overall problem that if a surfer hit a TGP2 site first on their quest for free porn, as soon as they hit their first TGP they were all over that bookmarking and playing whack-a-mole heh heh

spaz

JFK · 12-29-2006, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

I can go to a movie TGP and find thousands of galleries ordered in categories, updated daily.

"TGP 2 Brainstorm" in Vegas

Check out the far right in the top pic, I was there with Mrs FUBAR

ADL Colin · 12-29-2006, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

It was back in the Condom days. DG got a wild hair up his ass and said "I'm going to try THIS!", lol.

I miss him. He's in CR and Wig saw him last year and said he was doing well

I might go visit Wig (and Jonas) next year

ADL Colin · 12-29-2006, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

Check out the far right in the top pic, I was there with Mrs FUBAR

..... YUP!

Peaches · 12-29-2006, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

I might go visit Wig (and Jonas) next year

Wig's not there

I'm literally headed out the door for dinner, but I'll email you tomorrow and let you know where he is and we can visit together....or we can both go to CR since I'd love to check it out too and have some good RE contacts

spacedog · 12-29-2006, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Make them pay for pink.

Many won't pay for pink as long as sites like myfreevod.com exisit

ADL Colin · 12-29-2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

Wig's not there

I'm literally headed out the door for dinner, but I'll email you tomorrow and let you know where he is and we can visit together....or we can both go to CR since I'd love to check it out too and have some good RE contacts

I spoke to him a few days ago. I know where he is :-P

Bake · 12-29-2006, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

all the time the TGP2 gods were pushing their great new system, they never stopped submitting traditional galleries to regular TGPs and sneaking their TGP2s recips on the galleries...the TGP2 gods had feet of clay...

This is so true I just had to laugh.
Can anyone remember a tgp2 that had more than 50k a day?
They died because they had no traffic base to trade from.

B O B · 12-29-2006, 03:24 PM

TGP2 LOL
you know the REAL reason that started?

LOL

Sarah_Jayne · 12-29-2006, 03:28 PM

I remember when I was reviewing for JJJ a debate on whether to take TGP2 galleries or not..I actually can't remember if we took them but I am pretty sure a rule was put in about having to have at least a certain number of clickable thumbs

Peaches · 12-29-2006, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

I spoke to him a few days ago. I know where he is :-P

A few days ago he was (is) 10 miles away from me

Get your ass down and visit. We will protect you from the bears!!

OK, now that you know where he's GOING to be, TRIP PLANNING TIME

And make sure your passport's available

Quotealex · 12-30-2006, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YNOTBob

TGP2 LOL
you know the REAL reason that started?

LOL

I think You'll find your answer here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=36916

bausch · 12-30-2006, 07:05 AM

Whatever happened to Wolfshade??? Anyone remember him?

Lykos · 12-30-2006, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inabon

now whats wrong with this picture???? want to know why it did not work???

check out the table not enough alchohol

good ideas in this biz usually happen with a shit load of alchohol and fun LOL

they look bored

yeah thats true,only coca-cola there,lol

Barefootsies · 12-30-2006, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spazlabz

remember these two things ( and why didnt they catch on or last?)

TGP2

The saying "Never give them enough to get off on.

While I am certainly not as old skool as many I have been around full time for quite a few years and here is my take on these two

TGP2 failed miserably because TGPs were already a successful business model that gave plenty away, made plenty of money and there certainly wasnt any kind of unity to change the direction the industry was headed.

The saying died a slow death because its simple. If everyone is giving less, then you give a little more then you make more.

I wish TGP2 had been successful and I wish that the saying were as true today as it was back in 97

spaz

I remember it, and it was the best concept for longevity. You 'tease' them into submission.

However this industry will always be it's own worst enemy. Flooding the net with endless freebies to the point some think they do not need to pay for porn. I've heard this plenty of times. Although it doesn't apply so much if you are in micro niches.

But this industry has, and will continue to slit it's own throat.

wyldworx · 12-30-2006, 07:51 AM

I also add that in this case, the industry had just been given alot of leway thus causing alot of brainstorming. I reckon given the current circumstances, those involved may have been able to produce a more viable product.

RawAlex · 12-30-2006, 10:29 AM

TGP2 was a wonderful idea, except it was too late already. It is the same argument often made about making free sites / galleries only softcore and then upselling the surfers to hardcore.

It is a great theory, but the guy next to you is running hardcore in his galleries, and getting more traffic. Sort of like mutually assured destruction, the endless war of "who can give more" keeps growing (see the recent video galleries that give upwards to 5 minutes of free video).

Had TGP2 come before TGP, it would likely be the dominant format. Evolution says otherwise.

Zebra · 12-30-2006, 10:55 AM

Oh lawdy, I seem to remember that many of us didn't need alcohol that day because we were already were over the legal limit from the night before. Good times! Back when Colin was in the Neon Jungle!

Barefootsies · 12-31-2006, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebra

Oh lawdy, I seem to remember that many of us didn't need alcohol that day because we were already were over the legal limit from the night before. Good times! Back when Colin was in the Neon Jungle!

Peaches · 01-01-2007, 10:59 AM

Speaking of Neon Jungle - wasn't that the year of Naked Guy? I still remember when they wouldn't let him climb the rock wall at Gameworks ;)

Jimmer · 01-01-2007, 07:41 PM

I was in that TGP2 picture, still run sites and a board. We are mixing it up with blogs these days.

Quotealex · 01-02-2007, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmer

I was in that TGP2 picture.

which of them are you?

Kre8t0r · 01-02-2007, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmer

I was in that TGP2 picture, still run sites and a board. We are mixing it up with blogs these days.

I knew Jimmer couldn't resist a TGP2 thread..

Ahhh the good old days... when we invented the square wheel.
Just curious, did anyone EVER agree on a standard set of rules?

spazlabz · 01-02-2007, 08:39 AM

sarah_webinc mentioned that blogs are the TGP2 of today, and i see blogs as having a lot better chances of huge success because they are not in direct competition with a similar product that offers more to the surfers like the differences between TGP and TGP2

and it also seems like SE's love blogs thanks to the mainstream breaking that genre of marketing first, there is no stigma attached and good SE traffic to them.

I personally can't wait to see what the next one will be, I am a little hesitant to go full throttle on mobile. I did some experiments with video on it and there is just way to many standards with them. If they can get it down to 2 or 3 sizes that will fit the majority of cell phones i think it could be very exploitable.

spaz

Shok · 01-02-2007, 10:15 AM

Dragon King, me, Sikkboy and a few others started the NATGP back in 98.

It worked for awhile then died a slow death.

ADL Colin · 01-02-2007, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebra

Oh lawdy, I seem to remember that many of us didn't need alcohol that day because we were already were over the legal limit from the night before. Good times! Back when Colin was in the Neon Jungle!

Shit, we had to use alcohol to come down from the other stuff. Champagne breakfast was served about 7am if I remember correctly.

ADL Colin · 01-02-2007, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

Speaking of Neon Jungle - wasn't that the year of Naked Guy? I still remember when they wouldn't let him climb the rock wall at Gameworks ;)

We got kicked out of Mandalay.

Naked Josh ...

RB and Josh ...

Peaches · 01-02-2007, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

We got kicked out of Mandalay.

Naked Josh ...

RB and Josh ...

How sad is it when I'm looking at that first picture and thinking "those paintings would go PERFECT in my cabin??!". Not many people weird me out. Naked Josh did

rigrunner · 01-02-2007, 11:11 AM

yeah mixing it with blogging is the way to go. TGP2 still has life yet..
think of it this way, though it's a small pond, you can be a big fish

You don't often get that chance in the world of major tgps.

Jimmer · 01-03-2007, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

which of them are you?

I'm the guy in the centre back with the teeth showing.

12-29-2006, 12:32 PM	#1
spazlabz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 6,548	How many old skoolers remember these two things ( and why didnt they catch on or last?) TGP2 The saying "Never give them enough to get off on. While I am certainly not as old skool as many I have been around full time for quite a few years and here is my take on these two TGP2 failed miserably because TGPs were already a successful business model that gave plenty away, made plenty of money and there certainly wasnt any kind of unity to change the direction the industry was headed. The saying died a slow death because its simple. If everyone is giving less, then you give a little more then you make more. I wish TGP2 had been successful and I wish that the saying were as true today as it was back in 97 spaz

12-29-2006, 12:35 PM	#2
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	I think you are spot on. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

12-29-2006, 12:37 PM	#4
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	I think you are spot on. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

12-29-2006, 12:41 PM	#7
Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	I agree with Sarah...that and 2257 regs have pushed alot of that free content back into sponsors control with hosted galleries rather than just giving content away. TGP2 was a good try with the right mindset, however it's impossible to get everyone to change outlook for it to be 'sucessful' .. only by providing legal restrictions/regs or by promoting an alternative touted as 'more effective' rather than just as or less will get webmasters to change their mindset and marketing habits. __________________ Cyndalie Marketing Director StoriesTraffic.com

12-29-2006, 12:47 PM	#10
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	I can go to a movie TGP and find thousands of galleries ordered in categories, updated daily. "TGP 2 Brainstorm" in Vegas __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

12-29-2006, 12:36 PM	#3
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	in a lot of ways I see blog posts as TGP2 finally happening.

12-29-2006, 12:38 PM	#5
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	in a lot of ways I see blog posts as TGP2 finally happening.

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12-29-2006, 12:43 PM	#8
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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I remember it and tried to submit galleries to it, but I found the people that ran those types of sites had such a wide range of what they wanted to see I would have to build a handful of different galleries just to make all of them happy and the small amount of traffic they had didn't make it worth the effort.

12-29-2006, 01:55 PM	#18
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12-29-2006, 03:24 PM	#29
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12-29-2006, 03:28 PM	#30
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	I remember when I was reviewing for JJJ a debate on whether to take TGP2 galleries or not..I actually can't remember if we took them but I am pretty sure a rule was put in about having to have at least a certain number of clickable thumbs

12-30-2006, 07:05 AM	#33
bausch Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,017	Whatever happened to Wolfshade??? Anyone remember him?

12-30-2006, 07:51 AM	#36
wyldworx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: oz-trailer Posts: 5,144	I also add that in this case, the industry had just been given alot of leway thus causing alot of brainstorming. I reckon given the current circumstances, those involved may have been able to produce a more viable product.

12-30-2006, 10:29 AM	#37
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	TGP2 was a wonderful idea, except it was too late already. It is the same argument often made about making free sites / galleries only softcore and then upselling the surfers to hardcore. It is a great theory, but the guy next to you is running hardcore in his galleries, and getting more traffic. Sort of like mutually assured destruction, the endless war of "who can give more" keeps growing (see the recent video galleries that give upwards to 5 minutes of free video). Had TGP2 come before TGP, it would likely be the dominant format. Evolution says otherwise.

12-30-2006, 10:55 AM	#38
Zebra Banned from Kimmy's couch Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Down at Fraggle Rock Posts: 5,091	Oh lawdy, I seem to remember that many of us didn't need alcohol that day because we were already were over the legal limit from the night before. Good times! Back when Colin was in the Neon Jungle! __________________ Old School

01-01-2007, 10:59 AM	#40
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Speaking of Neon Jungle - wasn't that the year of Naked Guy? I still remember when they wouldn't let him climb the rock wall at Gameworks ;)

01-01-2007, 07:41 PM	#41
Jimmer Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Waterloo Ont Posts: 878	I was in that TGP2 picture, still run sites and a board. We are mixing it up with blogs these days. __________________ 50% off the first 2 months hosting. Email be for a quote [email protected] We can supply up to 8 TB transfer.

01-02-2007, 08:39 AM	#44
spazlabz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 6,548	sarah_webinc mentioned that blogs are the TGP2 of today, and i see blogs as having a lot better chances of huge success because they are not in direct competition with a similar product that offers more to the surfers like the differences between TGP and TGP2 and it also seems like SE's love blogs thanks to the mainstream breaking that genre of marketing first, there is no stigma attached and good SE traffic to them. I personally can't wait to see what the next one will be, I am a little hesitant to go full throttle on mobile. I did some experiments with video on it and there is just way to many standards with them. If they can get it down to 2 or 3 sizes that will fit the majority of cell phones i think it could be very exploitable. spaz

01-02-2007, 10:15 AM	#45
Shok Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LIVE EVIL Posts: 5,611	Dragon King, me, Sikkboy and a few others started the NATGP back in 98. It worked for awhile then died a slow death.

01-02-2007, 11:11 AM	#49
rigrunner Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: UK Posts: 877	yeah mixing it with blogging is the way to go. TGP2 still has life yet.. think of it this way, though it's a small pond, you can be a big fish You don't often get that chance in the world of major tgps. __________________ Get Nasty - Make Bank Here