W13

I am pondering the idea of creating my own TGP, but I am wondering how much it is possible to earn with these kind of sites. I am particulary looking for input from current TGP webmasters.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Jakke PNG

I think that about 50% of their McDonalds paycheck goes into expenses without any returns. I can be mistaken though.

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W13

What if I had about $1000 for start-up money, could I create a bang-up TGP that makes at least $1000/month with expenses taken into account?

tony286

on avg of all of them probably 500 bucks, its like the avg actor makes about 5 grand a year.

Agent 488

HAS TO BE VERY BANG-UP, THOUGH.

W13

So if I theoretically started like 2 or 3 TGP sites then I could AT LEAST meet my quota for $1000/month with expenses paid...

W13

How about blog owners, how much do they earn per month, on average?

Jace

that is like asking, "hey mom, how much can I make being a painter"?

so many factors

Agent 488

LITERALLY PENNIES PER BLOG - YOU NEED A LOT!

spacedog

It's wild card. Depends on your approach & there's a shitload of various variables to consider, such as niche, sponsor selection for promotion, sources of traffic & acquisition of that traffic, etc, etc..

Everyone is going to give you various answers to this..
What works for one person may not work for the next guy, & so on.,,,

You could blow alot more than 1k & net no return, or you may break even.
On the other side of the coin, you could start with less & make a return, however, your return is not so much based on your starting captial, but based on productivity of your traffic & your sales are controlled by the source & type of traffic...

On average, you will likely see that most people worked very hard & diligently for roughly 2 to 3 months before seeing any income coming in.

It does not happen over night, & considering your 1k budget, you'll invest in hosting, quite a few various scripts,maybe some design, & what little is left will be spent to buy shit quality throw away traffic from other tgps..

Yes.. You can make cash, not overnight, but you'll get the tools & skills over time & eventually, you'll grow..but this isn't the place that'll help you accomplish it or even get started.

JD

rofl.... dude if you don't know what you're doing you could have a startup budget of a million and fail horribly...

W13

Serious? I was thinking that each blog would make at least $200 or something along those lines per month.

I guess that is why people start many blogs at a time, then.

After Shock Media

The word average is a bitch.
Since there are such a huge number of them, many of which either just cover costs or profit just a few cents at most. Thrown in with those that make actual money, average wise you would be looking at a very very sad number.

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W13

Well, I do have previous experience from creating web sites and earning through programs like Google Adsense, but very limited knowledge other than that. I am not going to be starting just like THAT, I am going to take my time and read as much as I can and gain as much knowledge and expertise as I can from people who have already been through the process.

After Shock Media

You serious?

If that was honestly the case, dont you think most people around here wouldnt be running ten to one hundred blogs a piece.

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VoteForPedro

It is very easy to make $200/ month per blog.

Maybe not 'very' easy. But not hard. Easier (and cheaper) to make $200/month from a blog rather than a TGP.

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W13

Yeah, I know that a TGP is not a get rich quick scheme, and I am prepared to be in it for the long haul, maybe as long as 3-9 months to get it going to decently and earning me a nice residual income ($1,000+).

W13

True, but read the post below this post of ours.

spacedog

True.. this would only be about 8 or 9 sales per month, however, we're not talking about a webmaster who has networking in the biz to acquire traffic, etc.. we're refering to someone coming in from the outside just starting out, so, certainly 200 month is very doable as well as realistic for a new webmaster, it will take well over a month or two to reach that point unless you are able to just buy several k per day high quality traffic

Jace

I have a buddy that has been doing for residual income for 3 years, he is just now making $1200 a month from a 130k tgp

tgp is NOT a get rich AT ALL scheme anymore, in fact I personally think it is one of the worst decisions a newbie webmaster can make

W13

But is that the average for blogs to make, a few hundred dollars per month? Or is it much less and $200/month is just what the really good ones make?

frank7799

I second this. Take thehun and my new tgp. There maybe an avareage of $100000 per month. You won´t earn a cent if you only had my tgp...

extreme

Seconded.
Newcomers have a very hard time attracting traffic today.

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spacedog

It's possible, it happens, you can make more than this, you could make less.

It all depends on way too many variables

frank7799

Honestly, there is no avareage income published, neither for blogs nor for tgp´s.

W13

I am certainly down with the idea of the whole process of getting the blog earning a few hundred dollars a month 1 to 2 months, that is fine with me.

What about creating a network of blogs, even more earning potential.

W13

What do you think the "best" decision would be for a newbie webmaster?

Is he making $1200 per month with all expenses included, or is that figure BEFORE expenses. If so, how much would the average TGP webmaster have to put out in terms of expenses every month?

W13

Yeah, I kind of realized that before posting here, since basically everything on the internet is variable income. But, it would still be nice to see what is possible, etc.

spacedog

Alot of variables, but yes..

From my own experiences, the income was not considerable until I increased volume of number of sites..,

There's also a saying in this biz, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket", but also there are those from the school of thought that believe it is better to focus on just one thing & do well at just one thing.. The variables are different from person to person.

You also have to consider niches too when deciding profitibility..

Let's use teen for example..
Let's assume hypothetically there's 9500 Teen tgps out there. They'll be selling the same exact stuff as you are, so your profit margin is now alot smaller than you hoped..

On the other hand, suppose you decide on what we call a micro niche.. this is a special interest to select people, & as such, not too many sites fill the needs of these surfers, so, webmasters pushing these micro niches fair much better than their general or popular counterparts

After Shock Media

Well lets see (word average again).
His blog makes 200.00 a month.
I have ten blogs making 5.00 each after all costs.
My friend has ten blogs that are making about 1.00 a month after all costs.

Total incomes: 260.00
Total number of blogs: 21
Blog income average: $12.38

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W13

Hmm...so I gues blogs would certainly not be the way to start out.

W13

Yes, it certainly sounds to me that to have a successful TGP, then you need to find a worthwhile niche. That wouldn't be too hard, and I am defintely up to the task.

Thanks for all that good information, by the way.

Manowar

All depends on the traffic

spacedog

He's pointing out to you that there is no AVERAGE.

It varies from person to person, from company to company, etc.. there's so many variables & no standard, & no reports of income

frank7799

It wasn´t meant as an offence. Look at a tgp. You can buy a design, get fhg´s but the key is quality traffic. Most traffic to buy isn´t traffic generating sales, maybe it´s useful as feeder traffic.

The bigger tgp´s generate their income from advertising, spots as well as banner ads. They obviously do it for a reason.

After Shock Media

Actually just pick your poison. Forget about averages and what others are making. Work it until you have it down. Keep building new projects within same basic medium or niche. Do not worry yourself with perfection and do not keep going back to implement the new ideas in each project, just add them to the next one so you do not end up running in circles. Do not quit your day job or whatever it is that gives you a certain income. Spend all the time you can with your projects and keep moving along.

Just do not get caught up in averages.
Do not start something else until what you have is already completed.
Do not go domain crazy and buy more than you need as you need them unless you plan on being in domain sales.
When you do buy scripts, content, whatever; buy the best you can get. They will save you more money in long run.
Do not obsess over what others are earning.
Do not jump from fad to fad, stick to your plan. You do have a plan right?

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TimBlaze

why not just do galleries?

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Niki

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W13

Yes, I have a plan, though I am still adding to it and revising it. I have a few good niches I can choose from, I guess I will just go with one as a starter. I probably won't be even starting the site until sometime this Spring, so that gives me a lot of time to learn the tricks of the trade, and whatnot.

tony286

You are very right , its like Bill Gates walks in a bar the avg income of that bar has just gone up dramatically.

W13

Please explain.

nick3131

Dont listen to him

Start as many projects as you can.. you dont have to ever finish them.

Worry about what others make... because chances are youre average and you will make the same.

But the cheapest scripts, since youre starting a new project every day, chances are you will never use them.

Buy as many domains as you can. If all else fails, overprice them and sell them.

Always strive for perfection!!! It is your ultimate goal.

Fads are the only way to make money. Yesterdays fad could have earned you $5,000 in one day. Where were you?

Ok this is my sarcastic post for the year. I hope ASM doesn't kick my ass

(BTW listen to ASM, he's a very smart guy)

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nick3131

And to answer your question........ There is no answer to your question.

There is just way too many variables to consider. There are a 1000 tgps that dont get a single hit a day... would you consider that part of the average? If thats the case the average might be somewhere around $20 a month.

Then there is
Niches..
Traffic..
Trades..
Management..
Experience..
And a million more factors that will determine the amount of profit (or $ loss) you accumulate.

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W13

Your funny.

nekrom

I'd rather spend that $1k on adwords/overture and make a minimal roi, rather then blow it on nil to bugger all tgp return.

But in saying that buying traffic isn't a walk in the park and prolly not something that should be done without a basic grasp of how to sell to adult in general first.

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W13

So what, in your opinion, would be the best thing for me to start off with:

A TGP or something of the site, or an eBay buisness (I have an oppurtunity here to invest some money into product at wholesale prices and then sell for close to retail prices on eBay).

Either way, I want to be doing both at some point down the road.

frank7799

I think he suggested submitting galleries to tgp´s first, before building an own tgp. The first thing you should learn is how to generate quality traffic. There are many ways to do it, and there are some sources for information out there, but posting links to other boards is a big nono...

frank7799

First of all I´d keep the money, if I were you. Build a hub, which is helpful for filtering traffic. Build freesites and galleries, submit. Check which niche and which sponsor does well for you, drop the others. Repeat.

nick3131

Dont be a nick3131 thats for sure

back in 2004 when I started, I dropped over $4k on google adwords, with very minimal return. I just dove in head first and had no clue what I was doing.

Make sure you know what you're doing before you spend any $.

But don't forget.

"You have to spend money to make $"
even if the money you spend is your time
Time = Money

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hamburg

There is money to be made but nothing is for certain. Give it a go and see
how you get on

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