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nucite · 01-13-2007, 11:05 AM

I transfered this post to this forum based upon a user suggestion...

I was directed to this forum from a SitePoint Forums member. I am a developer that just had a client screw me over for a piece of software he wanted developed in PHP/MySQL/AJAX. I have never done work in the "adult" arena, so please bear with me. This project was quoted at about $8,000 and the client paid my initial 20% deposit to get me started with no problem. After creating everything for him, I sent him the demo links and my email got returned. After trying every phone number, email address, and ICQ number I had on this guy, I have come up with nothing but blanks. My "30 days to pay" clause in my contract has now expired and I don't know what to do with this... I don't know what the software is actually worth in this industry.

So I set it up on a domain (PornSwipe.com) and put it for sale at SEDO.

Here's what it is...

A way for an adult webmaster to house the content (images only) he gets from any webmaster program. (For the sake of the demo site I used the Free content from a program called Platinum Bucks). Basically the webmaster can just download the zip files, then upload them to his server. Then, use the admin panel to point to any zip file and it will automatically extract all the images, thumbnail them, sort them and store them as being associated with a predefined web site. The admin sets up the web sites in the admin panel and associates other information with them like Affiliate link URL, banners, descriptions, display ranks, etc.

There's more to it, but that gives you the point. The client just wanted his whole process to go smoother and be far less time consuming.

So here's the kicker. His grand vision with this software was to resell it. He figured he could do better selling the software then to run the sites it was established on. Therefore he required an easy to create template system so that the layouts could be easily changed for any design without having to alter the infrastructure in any way, making each site look as if it was completely different to the end user.

So I did it all for him. It is a true MVC framework design making full use of solid SEO practices. I used PHP/MySQL for the processing engine, Smarty for the template technology, and of course HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc.

I own a number of non-adult sites that do quite well and I'm a bit hesitant to enter this arena... so I will likely sell this software off. My problem is that I have absolutely no idea what types of questions need to be answered in order to prove its worth. I'm hoping you guys will throw some questions at me to get me started. For all I know I may have to alter it if I want to sell it.

Because of the large file transfers needed (big zipped image files) I do not want to set up a working demo of the software... and, let's face it - PornSwipe.com has a totally generic, ugly design that any decent HTML developer/graphic designer could easily make a thousand times better. The Smarty template system allows the designer to easily make updates. Actually you could even store an unlimited number of layouts within one site and change them on the fly... whenever needed.

Anyhow, thanks in advance for your thoughts and questions. I'll keep an eye on this thread.

CyberHustler · 01-13-2007, 11:06 AM

hmmm......

Z · 01-13-2007, 11:10 AM

That sounds cool...anybody?

EscortBiz · 01-13-2007, 11:20 AM

you charged him mainstream programming rates lol regardless im sure someone will buy it for maybe 1-2k maybe

RazorSharpe · 01-13-2007, 11:24 AM

how does a prospective buyer contact you? do you have an ICQ UIN?

Cheers ...

Chrome · 01-13-2007, 12:10 PM

sell it cheap, multiple times.

Chrome · 01-13-2007, 12:10 PM

icq me at 35805493

Jace · 01-13-2007, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

you charged him mainstream programming rates lol regardless im sure someone will buy it for maybe 1-2k maybe

and basically created a piece of software that we have already

hell, look at www.sitedepth.com - can do the same thing, but even with videos, for $599

DutchTeenCash · 01-13-2007, 12:19 PM

Hmm was thinking the same, this sounds like a cms with some add ons. They're available in the 200-2k range so this won't be easy to sell for a price that high.

psili · 01-13-2007, 12:24 PM

I think the high price was that he was building it for a client to sell. So he makes an initial decent payment for building and the client would then sell it off multiple times at a lower price.

Nothing wrong with that, and perhaps its a pretty sweet software package. There's always room for competitive packages out there, so here's a bump for the thread starter.

BTW - I've got a server if you wanna upload it so people can test it ;)

Adultnet · 01-13-2007, 12:26 PM

If you would want people that are interested in this development to contact you maybe you should to consider to add some contact information like icq or email ...

Jace · 01-13-2007, 12:29 PM

I would be willing to partner with you on the marketing/selling of the product, but you have to leave some contact info

RazorSharpe · 01-13-2007, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

I would be willing to partner with you on the marketing/selling of the product, but you have to leave some contact info

for a piece of software that our industry already has?? a bit contradictory no?

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2007, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

for a piece of software that our industry already has?? a bit contradictory no?

not really . the industry already has software to check your email but doesnt mean there arent new cool ones out there every year

ie and firefox do basically the same thing only difference is the smaller details ( that make all the difference

)

RazorSharpe · 01-13-2007, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

not really . the industry already has software to check your email but doesnt mean there arent new cool ones out there every year

ie and firefox do basically the same thing only difference is the smaller details ( that make all the difference

)

that's my point STB. Jace seemed to find it unthinkable that someone is on here trying to sell software that does what sitedepth does and then decides he wants to be partners in marketing it. I was just being sarcastic ...

Jace · 01-13-2007, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

for a piece of software that our industry already has?? a bit contradictory no?

you are right, every industry only needs one piece of each software

what the hell where nats, mpa and executive stats thinking?

Jace · 01-13-2007, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

that's my point STB. Jace seemed to find it unthinkable that someone is on here trying to sell software that does what sitedepth does and then decides he wants to be partners in marketing it. I was just being sarcastic ...

maybe I wasn't thinking at first because I misred and thought he was trying to sell it for $8k outright?

then maybe I took a second to think, and realized that selling it multiple times for a smaller price could be very beneficial?

and btw, where did you get unthinkable?

RazorSharpe · 01-13-2007, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

you are right, every industry only needs one piece of each software

what the hell where nats, mpa and executive stats thinking?

this is a different stance from the one you took with, "and basically created a piece of software that we have already"

but i see now why you changed it; you thought he was selling it for $8K. I got unthinkable from the very same line i quoted above.

...

nucite · 01-13-2007, 12:52 PM

Stepped away from the computer to grab lunch. And I'm stepping away again for the weekend soon. My ICQ is 490-063-177.

Thanks for the offer for server storage, but I own a handful of servers across the country... appreciate that though.

To be honest, I just quoted it to him for my time to create it (I bill out at $85/hr... I'm pretty good at what I do). What it would sell for was kind of irrelevant at the time of my quote. In all honesty, I don't really want to try to market it myself. I have plenty of other projects that keep me slammed. My client figured he could pay some designer about $100 - $300 per design template, then set it up on some random domain, load it with a little content, let it sit fo a couple months to build its PR, then sell it off for a little profit. Then of course do it all again, over and over. If someone bought it from me, they would have full rights to do with it as they wish. I wouldn't try to compete.

I think what I'll do is create one of those cheesy little Captivate flash presentations for the admin panel and repost a link to it here... probably Monday or Tuesday... NFL playoffs take precedence this weekend

I also appreciate the thoughts on me being the reseller, but I'd rather just unload it all at once. I also appreciate the offer to partner... but again, it's more likely I'll just get away from it all together.

Someone mentioned the add-on of videos...
That would actually be incredibly easy to do. I was going to do it at no charge for the client, but he wasn't interested in the bandwidth overhead it would most likely cause. If someone were to buy this, I could work in some extra features as long as it's not overly time consuming for me. It's built on a rock solid Object-oriented design, so making add-ons is usually a piece of cake for the seasoned programmer. There's no "spaghetti code" here. It's a "fix it in one place" type of environment.

I welcome anyone's messages at my ICQ. I'll set up that demo soon and repost in this thread. Please don't get offended if I don't respond right away. I'll be walking away from the computer in a matter of minutes. You can also feel free to contact me through the domain NuciteSolutions dot com.

Best.

nucite · 01-13-2007, 01:21 PM

There's nothing in the Platinum Bucks Terms that says I can't use the entire galleries' images. Maybe there are in other sites, but they are the only one I signed up for to run this software on.

I'll revive this thread soon. Still curious to know what people buying this type of software would need to know. Maybe the demo will answer some questions.

psili · 01-13-2007, 01:49 PM

Shouldn't you slam the original client?

Basically, the dude just built software where someone can upload a zip file of images, categorize them and assign them to pages ( if I understood correctly ). It's just personal-productivity software. Why rip on a programmer for his efforts toward a client request?

If there's issues to be had, it's 1. the client requesting it, 2. the sponsor for having such open avenues for such software.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornopete

woh. Basically you are selling software that will download 'free' content from programs like platinum bucks and then just repost it on your site?

That 'free' content is actually not free and distributed with conditions. One being the maximum number of images you can use per gallery.

That site looks like you just ripped complete sets from pb and reposted them free.

Good luck with whatever idiot buys this.

gee I wonder why the original client disappeared...

chaze · 01-13-2007, 02:01 PM

Nice program, good luck!

EscortBiz · 01-13-2007, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornopete

woh. Basically you are selling software that will download 'free' content from programs like platinum bucks and then just repost it on your site?

That 'free' content is actually not free and distributed with conditions. One being the maximum number of images you can use per gallery.

That site looks like you just ripped complete sets from pb and reposted them free.

Good luck with whatever idiot buys this.

gee I wonder why the original client disappeared...

the site makes it sound like he has a special agreement with people

borked · 01-13-2007, 03:03 PM

8k sounds about right for reseller rights -

maybe you should make clear what you are selling?
1) The software to use
2) The software to sell
3) Pornswipe.com ;)

whoever wants this - autogals.com is complementary domain name for sale ;)

Violetta · 01-13-2007, 04:59 PM

If jace offers to partner, you jump on it!

Vick! · 01-13-2007, 04:59 PM

I hardly believe someone will buy for 8k minus 20% -- I suggest you to create a nice demo with clean attractive design, encode it and sell it as turnkey for aroun d $199 or so .. if you sell 10-15 copies think you are done. But its what I think.

nucite · 05-17-2007, 08:07 AM

I just posted this domain (now a PR3) for sale here:

/showthread.php?t=734037

not2new · 08-25-2007, 11:46 PM

I agree with CHROM.
Let me know if you need help selling it...

01-13-2007, 11:05 AM	#1
nucite Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 18	What is this software worth? My client backed out. I transfered this post to this forum based upon a user suggestion... I was directed to this forum from a SitePoint Forums member. I am a developer that just had a client screw me over for a piece of software he wanted developed in PHP/MySQL/AJAX. I have never done work in the "adult" arena, so please bear with me. This project was quoted at about $8,000 and the client paid my initial 20% deposit to get me started with no problem. After creating everything for him, I sent him the demo links and my email got returned. After trying every phone number, email address, and ICQ number I had on this guy, I have come up with nothing but blanks. My "30 days to pay" clause in my contract has now expired and I don't know what to do with this... I don't know what the software is actually worth in this industry. So I set it up on a domain (PornSwipe.com) and put it for sale at SEDO. Here's what it is... A way for an adult webmaster to house the content (images only) he gets from any webmaster program. (For the sake of the demo site I used the Free content from a program called Platinum Bucks). Basically the webmaster can just download the zip files, then upload them to his server. Then, use the admin panel to point to any zip file and it will automatically extract all the images, thumbnail them, sort them and store them as being associated with a predefined web site. The admin sets up the web sites in the admin panel and associates other information with them like Affiliate link URL, banners, descriptions, display ranks, etc. There's more to it, but that gives you the point. The client just wanted his whole process to go smoother and be far less time consuming. So here's the kicker. His grand vision with this software was to resell it. He figured he could do better selling the software then to run the sites it was established on. Therefore he required an easy to create template system so that the layouts could be easily changed for any design without having to alter the infrastructure in any way, making each site look as if it was completely different to the end user. So I did it all for him. It is a true MVC framework design making full use of solid SEO practices. I used PHP/MySQL for the processing engine, Smarty for the template technology, and of course HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc. I own a number of non-adult sites that do quite well and I'm a bit hesitant to enter this arena... so I will likely sell this software off. My problem is that I have absolutely no idea what types of questions need to be answered in order to prove its worth. I'm hoping you guys will throw some questions at me to get me started. For all I know I may have to alter it if I want to sell it. Because of the large file transfers needed (big zipped image files) I do not want to set up a working demo of the software... and, let's face it - PornSwipe.com has a totally generic, ugly design that any decent HTML developer/graphic designer could easily make a thousand times better. The Smarty template system allows the designer to easily make updates. Actually you could even store an unlimited number of layouts within one site and change them on the fly... whenever needed. Anyhow, thanks in advance for your thoughts and questions. I'll keep an eye on this thread.

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01-13-2007, 12:19 PM	#9
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01-13-2007, 12:24 PM	#10
psili Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 5,526	I think the high price was that he was building it for a client to sell. So he makes an initial decent payment for building and the client would then sell it off multiple times at a lower price. Nothing wrong with that, and perhaps its a pretty sweet software package. There's always room for competitive packages out there, so here's a bump for the thread starter. BTW - I've got a server if you wanna upload it so people can test it ;) __________________ Your post count means nothing.

01-13-2007, 11:06 AM	#2
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,162	hmmm......

01-13-2007, 11:10 AM	#3
Z Vidi Vici Veni Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 6,308	That sounds cool...anybody?

01-13-2007, 12:10 PM	#6
Chrome Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oregon Posts: 639	sell it cheap, multiple times.

01-13-2007, 12:26 PM	#11
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01-13-2007, 12:29 PM	#12
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	I would be willing to partner with you on the marketing/selling of the product, but you have to leave some contact info

01-13-2007, 12:52 PM	#19
nucite Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 18	Stepped away from the computer to grab lunch. And I'm stepping away again for the weekend soon. My ICQ is 490-063-177. Thanks for the offer for server storage, but I own a handful of servers across the country... appreciate that though. To be honest, I just quoted it to him for my time to create it (I bill out at $85/hr... I'm pretty good at what I do). What it would sell for was kind of irrelevant at the time of my quote. In all honesty, I don't really want to try to market it myself. I have plenty of other projects that keep me slammed. My client figured he could pay some designer about $100 - $300 per design template, then set it up on some random domain, load it with a little content, let it sit fo a couple months to build its PR, then sell it off for a little profit. Then of course do it all again, over and over. If someone bought it from me, they would have full rights to do with it as they wish. I wouldn't try to compete. I think what I'll do is create one of those cheesy little Captivate flash presentations for the admin panel and repost a link to it here... probably Monday or Tuesday... NFL playoffs take precedence this weekend I also appreciate the thoughts on me being the reseller, but I'd rather just unload it all at once. I also appreciate the offer to partner... but again, it's more likely I'll just get away from it all together. Someone mentioned the add-on of videos... That would actually be incredibly easy to do. I was going to do it at no charge for the client, but he wasn't interested in the bandwidth overhead it would most likely cause. If someone were to buy this, I could work in some extra features as long as it's not overly time consuming for me. It's built on a rock solid Object-oriented design, so making add-ons is usually a piece of cake for the seasoned programmer. There's no "spaghetti code" here. It's a "fix it in one place" type of environment. I welcome anyone's messages at my ICQ. I'll set up that demo soon and repost in this thread. Please don't get offended if I don't respond right away. I'll be walking away from the computer in a matter of minutes. You can also feel free to contact me through the domain NuciteSolutions dot com. Best.

01-13-2007, 01:21 PM	#20
nucite Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 18	There's nothing in the Platinum Bucks Terms that says I can't use the entire galleries' images. Maybe there are in other sites, but they are the only one I signed up for to run this software on. I'll revive this thread soon. Still curious to know what people buying this type of software would need to know. Maybe the demo will answer some questions.

01-13-2007, 02:01 PM	#22
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	Nice program, good luck!

01-13-2007, 03:03 PM	#24
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	8k sounds about right for reseller rights - maybe you should make clear what you are selling? 1) The software to use 2) The software to sell 3) Pornswipe.com ;) whoever wants this - autogals.com is complementary domain name for sale ;) __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

01-13-2007, 04:59 PM	#25
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01-13-2007, 04:59 PM	#26
Vick! Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 20 00'24.00" N, 75 09'00.00 W Posts: 6,882	I hardly believe someone will buy for 8k minus 20% -- I suggest you to create a nice demo with clean attractive design, encode it and sell it as turnkey for aroun d $199 or so .. if you sell 10-15 copies think you are done. But its what I think. __________________ Affordable Quality Web Hosting

05-17-2007, 08:07 AM	#27
nucite Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 18	I just posted this domain (now a PR3) for sale here: /showthread.php?t=734037

08-25-2007, 11:46 PM	#28
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