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Vick! · 01-15-2007, 05:13 PM

FUCKERS, Its exactly similar as some types of online gambling is illegal in US -- Should we say people or Govt. in US is retarded? or fucking ran by cave men? or their laws are fucked up?

Its as simple as any other rule vary from country to country. Another example is Italians never punish someone to death but US people love to fuck them with electric chair.

Turkish govt. simply don't allow it. Everyone should respect the laws of country where he/she lives. Otherwise get fucking out that country. Its as simple.

Today, in the modern world, almost every law is made and enforced with approval from some kinda cabinet selected by majority of that country's pubic. They know what is better for them. We don't have right to interfere/comment on their internal matters .. when this fucking world will learn this fact?

PS: I am not from Turkey.

Vick! · 01-15-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

1) Well, 'us' being everyone not in Turkey, it really doesn't concern anyone outside turkey if someone breaks a local law and gets jailed or executed. Sure, it's not nice, but it's not really our concern. Same thing, if someone from los angeles gets the electric chair because he sells marijuana, I don't think anyone in holland gives a shit.. it's legal there, and it's illegal in the USA. Follow my point?

2) Yeah, but if they get caught it's their own problem, off to jail they go. You break the law, you pay the price. If you're willing to take the chance, be prepared to get caught. If you don't like it, move out of the country.

3) what do I know about what things?..and yes I run several paysites, and I don't have a single turkish member. (just checked). So what's your point?

Lev · 01-15-2007, 06:02 PM

Article 301 (Turkish penal code)

Article 301 is a controversial article of the Turkish penal code, taking effect on June 1, 2005, and introduced as part of a package of penal-law reform in the process preceding the opening of negotations for Turkish membership of the European Union (EU), in order to bring Turkey up to EU standards.[1][2] It makes it a crime to insult "Turkishness". Since this Article became law, charges have been brought in more than 60 cases, some of which are high-profile. [3]
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Article 301 states the following:

1. A person who publicly denigrates Turkishness, the Republic or the Grand National Assembly of Turkey, shall be punishable by imprisonment of between six months and three years.
2. A person who publicly denigrates the Government of the Republic of Turkey, the judicial institutions of the State, the military or security organizations shall be punishable by imprisonment of between six months and two years.
3. In cases where denigration of Turkishness is committed by a Turkish citizen in another country the punishment shall be increased by one third.
4. Expressions of thought intended to criticize shall not constitute a crime.

[edit] High-profile cases

Article 301 has been used to bring charges against writer Orhan Pamuk for stating, in an interview with a Swiss magazine, that "Thirty thousand Kurds and a million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it". The charges were later dropped.[5] [6]

In February 2006 the trial opened against five journalists charged with insulting the judicial institutions of the State, and also of aiming to prejudice a court case (Article 288 of the Turkish penal code).[7] Each of the five had criticised a court order to shut down a conference in Istanbul about the Ottoman Armenian casualties in the Ottoman Empire during the First World War. (The conference was nevertheless eventually held after having been transferred from a state university to a private university. [8]) Four of the journalists were acquitted on a technicality, while as of April 2006 the fifth, Murat Belge, remains on trial.[9] If found guilty he faces a prison term of up to 10 years.

Another recent high-profile case to result from this legislation involves the writer and journalist Perihan Magden, who faces prosecution in relation to a December 2005 newspaper column in which she strongly defended the principle of conscientious objection and the refusal to perform military service. In response to this column, the Turkish military filed a complaint against her [10]. In the trial, which took place on July 27, 2006, she was acquitted when the court ruled that her opinions were covered by the freedom of expression and were not a crime under the Turkish penal code.[11] If convicted she could have faced three years' imprisonment.

More recently, it is reported that Istanbul public prosecutor's office had prepared an indictment alleging that the statements in the book Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman constituted a breach of the article. Publishers of the Turkish translation are also to be brought to trial accordingly. [12]

In 2006 Elif Shafak also faced charges of "insulting Turkishness" because of her latest novel, The Bastard of Istanbul.[3] The case was thrown out by the judge after a demand by the prosecutor for the case to be dropped.[13]

Publisher Ragıp Zarakolu is on trial under Article 301 as well as for ?insulting the legacy of Atatürk? under Law 5816. [1]

[edit] Other High Profile Incidents

In December 2005 Joost Lagendijk, a member of the Dutch Green Left party and the European Parliament's Committee on Foreign Affairs, chairman of the EU-Turkey Joint Parliamentary Committee, and a staunch supporter of Turkish EU membership, visited Turkey to attend the trial against Orhan Pamuk and speak at an event for the Green Party of Turkey. In his speech he commented on the Şemdinli incident and criticized the Turkish military for seeking to maintain its political influence through the continuous guerrilla war with the PKK.[2] Turkish Lawyers Association, the same group that filed a complaint against Orhan Pamuk, filed charges against Joost Lagendijk for violating Article 301 by insulting the Turkish army. The prosecutor, however, declined to prosecute, referring to the Turkish constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights, as well as a judgement by the European Court of Human Rights concerning the interpretation of that Convention.[14]

[edit] Criticism and impact of the article

In its short life the article has been heavily criticized, both in Turkey and outside. A criticism heard in Turkey and also voiced by some outside is that it has turned into a tool of the nationalist "old guard", who, so is claimed, use it to press charges against people of international renown, not to stifle dissenting opinions but with the aim of thwarting the admission process to the EU.[15][2][16] Whatever the case, it is clear that the Article has a chilling effect on free expression, notwithstanding its fourth clause. It is too early to tell how this is going to be interpreted in cassation (last-instance review) by the Court of Appeals. Turkey accepts the European Court of Human Rights' decisions as overriding higher court decision, and ratified international treaties as overriding national law.

adonis · 01-16-2007, 03:13 AM

Do you know that you would be jailed in France if you think there is no Armenian genocide (historians and other counties protested the French government)? And you'd be jailed in German if you keep certain books at your home, or if you say you support a former German dictator. Every country has similar laws, no country allows unlimited freedom.

Webmasters arrested in Turkey were in underage porn business and Interpol asked them to be caught. They are freed while the lawsuit continues. People are more free than most European countries, e.g: one cannot be arrested for adultery (who claimed you'd be stoned to death?) or gay sex. Turkey is the 11th country in the world which allowed women to enter the Parliament and to be a prime minister/president in 1934 (Swiss women stayed at home until 1972)

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Originally Posted by Lev

Article 301 (Turkish penal code)

Article 301 is a controversial article of the Turkish penal code, taking effect on June 1, 2005, and introduced as part of a package of penal-law reform in the process preceding the opening of negotations for Turkish membership of the European Union (EU), in order to bring Turkey up to EU standards.[1][2] It makes it a crime to insult "Turkishness". Since this Article became law, charges have been brought in more than 60 cases, some of which are high-profile. [3]
Contents
[hide]

Article 301 states the following:

1. A person who publicly denigrates Turkishness, the Republic or the Grand National Assembly of Turkey, shall be punishable by imprisonment of between six months and three years.
2. A person who publicly denigrates the Government of the Republic of Turkey, the judicial institutions of the State, the military or security organizations shall be punishable by imprisonment of between six months and two years.
3. In cases where denigration of Turkishness is committed by a Turkish citizen in another country the punishment shall be increased by one third.
4. Expressions of thought intended to criticize shall not constitute a crime.

[edit] High-profile cases

Article 301 has been used to bring charges against writer Orhan Pamuk for stating, in an interview with a Swiss magazine, that "Thirty thousand Kurds and a million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it". The charges were later dropped.[5] [6]

In February 2006 the trial opened against five journalists charged with insulting the judicial institutions of the State, and also of aiming to prejudice a court case (Article 288 of the Turkish penal code).[7] Each of the five had criticised a court order to shut down a conference in Istanbul about the Ottoman Armenian casualties in the Ottoman Empire during the First World War. (The conference was nevertheless eventually held after having been transferred from a state university to a private university. [8]) Four of the journalists were acquitted on a technicality, while as of April 2006 the fifth, Murat Belge, remains on trial.[9] If found guilty he faces a prison term of up to 10 years.

Another recent high-profile case to result from this legislation involves the writer and journalist Perihan Magden, who faces prosecution in relation to a December 2005 newspaper column in which she strongly defended the principle of conscientious objection and the refusal to perform military service. In response to this column, the Turkish military filed a complaint against her [10]. In the trial, which took place on July 27, 2006, she was acquitted when the court ruled that her opinions were covered by the freedom of expression and were not a crime under the Turkish penal code.[11] If convicted she could have faced three years' imprisonment.

More recently, it is reported that Istanbul public prosecutor's office had prepared an indictment alleging that the statements in the book Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman constituted a breach of the article. Publishers of the Turkish translation are also to be brought to trial accordingly. [12]

In 2006 Elif Shafak also faced charges of "insulting Turkishness" because of her latest novel, The Bastard of Istanbul.[3] The case was thrown out by the judge after a demand by the prosecutor for the case to be dropped.[13]

Publisher Ragıp Zarakolu is on trial under Article 301 as well as for ?insulting the legacy of Atatürk? under Law 5816. [1]

[edit] Other High Profile Incidents

In December 2005 Joost Lagendijk, a member of the Dutch Green Left party and the European Parliament's Committee on Foreign Affairs, chairman of the EU-Turkey Joint Parliamentary Committee, and a staunch supporter of Turkish EU membership, visited Turkey to attend the trial against Orhan Pamuk and speak at an event for the Green Party of Turkey. In his speech he commented on the Şemdinli incident and criticized the Turkish military for seeking to maintain its political influence through the continuous guerrilla war with the PKK.[2] Turkish Lawyers Association, the same group that filed a complaint against Orhan Pamuk, filed charges against Joost Lagendijk for violating Article 301 by insulting the Turkish army. The prosecutor, however, declined to prosecute, referring to the Turkish constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights, as well as a judgement by the European Court of Human Rights concerning the interpretation of that Convention.[14]

[edit] Criticism and impact of the article

In its short life the article has been heavily criticized, both in Turkey and outside. A criticism heard in Turkey and also voiced by some outside is that it has turned into a tool of the nationalist "old guard", who, so is claimed, use it to press charges against people of international renown, not to stifle dissenting opinions but with the aim of thwarting the admission process to the EU.[15][2][16] Whatever the case, it is clear that the Article has a chilling effect on free expression, notwithstanding its fourth clause. It is too early to tell how this is going to be interpreted in cassation (last-instance review) by the Court of Appeals. Turkey accepts the European Court of Human Rights' decisions as overriding higher court decision, and ratified international treaties as overriding national law.

Lykos · 01-16-2007, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Franck

And that's supposed to become a part of the EU.

Agree with u.,...they should keep their ass in Asia...i mean,jesus christe... In Jail for online porn?Thats just bad

NoComments · 01-16-2007, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by adonis

And you'd be jailed in German if you keep certain books at your home, or if you say you support a former German dictator.

Excuse me, but I do not recall any dictators in Germany. Do you mean somebody in particular? Germany had no dictators in the last 500 years.

Theo · 01-16-2007, 06:48 AM

You can openly buy adult advertising online in many turkish sites and that alone is a sign those cases mentioned have to do with something else.

Theo · 01-16-2007, 06:49 AM

Serge, what's your next holiday destination?

TBrown · 01-16-2007, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NoComments

Excuse me, but I do not recall any dictators in Germany. Do you mean somebody in particular? Germany had no dictators in the last 500 years.

Ever heard of Mr. Hitler?

tranza · 01-16-2007, 07:02 AM

That sucks....

NoComments · 01-16-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Serge, what's your next holiday destination?

New York City,
New Zealand
Denmark
Turkey

NoComments · 01-16-2007, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by adpayoutbrown

Ever heard of Mr. Hitler?

.,..and what makes you believe he was a dictator?

Violetta · 01-16-2007, 09:45 AM

I've been to turkey... crazy people!

NoComments · 01-16-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockatansky

I've been to turkey... crazy people!

I find them to be more normal than 80% of GFY

4Man · 01-16-2007, 10:20 AM

Damn,he went bad...

DjSap · 01-16-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockatansky

I've been to turkey... crazy people!

Not sure if they are crazy but they were smelly and pretty rude to women, and i was staying at nice places so I don't even know what it was like at dumps.

On the plus side they have very nice skin, but that's it.

germ · 01-16-2007, 12:18 PM

you dont produce porn in a country that jails people for doing so.

unless the laws changed overnight, these guys should have known the deal.

NoComments · 01-16-2007, 01:00 PM

"What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult."
- Sigmund Freud
1856—1939

directfiesta · 01-16-2007, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lykos

Agree with u.,...they should keep their ass in Asia...i mean,jesus christe... In Jail for online porn?Thats just bad

Would never happen in Polk County, Florida ....

Adultnet · 01-16-2007, 01:23 PM

fucked up

pornguy · 01-16-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by starpimps

yep, in some parts of the worlds the governments are ran by cave men. morons.

I would thank you not to talk about our Beloved President BUSH! that way.

bobby666 · 01-16-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AllStar

Anybody want to see what a Turkish prison is like go and rent Midnight Express.

that was i great film. seen years ago and still remember most scenes

NoComments · 01-16-2007, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

I would thank you not to talk about our Beloved President BUSH! that way.

THAT was funny!

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Vick! Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 20 00'24.00" N, 75 09'00.00 W Posts: 6,882	FUCKERS, Its exactly similar as some types of online gambling is illegal in US -- Should we say people or Govt. in US is retarded? or fucking ran by cave men? or their laws are fucked up? Its as simple as any other rule vary from country to country. Another example is Italians never punish someone to death but US people love to fuck them with electric chair. Turkish govt. simply don't allow it. Everyone should respect the laws of country where he/she lives. Otherwise get fucking out that country. Its as simple. Today, in the modern world, almost every law is made and enforced with approval from some kinda cabinet selected by majority of that country's pubic. They know what is better for them. We don't have right to interfere/comment on their internal matters .. when this fucking world will learn this fact? PS: I am not from Turkey. __________________ Affordable Quality Web Hosting Last edited by Vick!; 01-15-2007 at 05:15 PM..

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Lev Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,545	Article 301 (Turkish penal code) Article 301 is a controversial article of the Turkish penal code, taking effect on June 1, 2005, and introduced as part of a package of penal-law reform in the process preceding the opening of negotations for Turkish membership of the European Union (EU), in order to bring Turkey up to EU standards.[1][2] It makes it a crime to insult "Turkishness". Since this Article became law, charges have been brought in more than 60 cases, some of which are high-profile. [3] Contents [hide] Article 301 states the following: 1. A person who publicly denigrates Turkishness, the Republic or the Grand National Assembly of Turkey, shall be punishable by imprisonment of between six months and three years. 2. A person who publicly denigrates the Government of the Republic of Turkey, the judicial institutions of the State, the military or security organizations shall be punishable by imprisonment of between six months and two years. 3. In cases where denigration of Turkishness is committed by a Turkish citizen in another country the punishment shall be increased by one third. 4. Expressions of thought intended to criticize shall not constitute a crime. [edit] High-profile cases Article 301 has been used to bring charges against writer Orhan Pamuk for stating, in an interview with a Swiss magazine, that "Thirty thousand Kurds and a million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it". The charges were later dropped.[5] [6] In February 2006 the trial opened against five journalists charged with insulting the judicial institutions of the State, and also of aiming to prejudice a court case (Article 288 of the Turkish penal code).[7] Each of the five had criticised a court order to shut down a conference in Istanbul about the Ottoman Armenian casualties in the Ottoman Empire during the First World War. (The conference was nevertheless eventually held after having been transferred from a state university to a private university. [8]) Four of the journalists were acquitted on a technicality, while as of April 2006 the fifth, Murat Belge, remains on trial.[9] If found guilty he faces a prison term of up to 10 years. Another recent high-profile case to result from this legislation involves the writer and journalist Perihan Magden, who faces prosecution in relation to a December 2005 newspaper column in which she strongly defended the principle of conscientious objection and the refusal to perform military service. In response to this column, the Turkish military filed a complaint against her [10]. In the trial, which took place on July 27, 2006, she was acquitted when the court ruled that her opinions were covered by the freedom of expression and were not a crime under the Turkish penal code.[11] If convicted she could have faced three years' imprisonment. More recently, it is reported that Istanbul public prosecutor's office had prepared an indictment alleging that the statements in the book Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman constituted a breach of the article. Publishers of the Turkish translation are also to be brought to trial accordingly. [12] In 2006 Elif Shafak also faced charges of "insulting Turkishness" because of her latest novel, The Bastard of Istanbul.[3] The case was thrown out by the judge after a demand by the prosecutor for the case to be dropped.[13] Publisher Ragıp Zarakolu is on trial under Article 301 as well as for ?insulting the legacy of Atatürk? under Law 5816. [1] [edit] Other High Profile Incidents In December 2005 Joost Lagendijk, a member of the Dutch Green Left party and the European Parliament's Committee on Foreign Affairs, chairman of the EU-Turkey Joint Parliamentary Committee, and a staunch supporter of Turkish EU membership, visited Turkey to attend the trial against Orhan Pamuk and speak at an event for the Green Party of Turkey. In his speech he commented on the Şemdinli incident and criticized the Turkish military for seeking to maintain its political influence through the continuous guerrilla war with the PKK.[2] Turkish Lawyers Association, the same group that filed a complaint against Orhan Pamuk, filed charges against Joost Lagendijk for violating Article 301 by insulting the Turkish army. The prosecutor, however, declined to prosecute, referring to the Turkish constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights, as well as a judgement by the European Court of Human Rights concerning the interpretation of that Convention.[14] [edit] Criticism and impact of the article In its short life the article has been heavily criticized, both in Turkey and outside. A criticism heard in Turkey and also voiced by some outside is that it has turned into a tool of the nationalist "old guard", who, so is claimed, use it to press charges against people of international renown, not to stifle dissenting opinions but with the aim of thwarting the admission process to the EU.[15][2][16] Whatever the case, it is clear that the Article has a chilling effect on free expression, notwithstanding its fourth clause. It is too early to tell how this is going to be interpreted in cassation (last-instance review) by the Court of Appeals. Turkey accepts the European Court of Human Rights' decisions as overriding higher court decision, and ratified international treaties as overriding national law.

01-16-2007, 06:48 AM	#107
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	You can openly buy adult advertising online in many turkish sites and that alone is a sign those cases mentioned have to do with something else.

01-16-2007, 06:49 AM	#108
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Serge, what's your next holiday destination?

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4Man Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,830	Damn,he went bad...

01-16-2007, 12:18 PM	#117
germ ( o Y o ) Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,108	you dont produce porn in a country that jails people for doing so. unless the laws changed overnight, these guys should have known the deal.