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Webby · 01-15-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagerboy

Webby- Thanks for explaining. Seriously. So what your saying is 1MBit=320 gigs transfer. So as of today, I have used 1600/320=5MBits....So at this pace, I will burn 3200 gigs or 10 MBits by the end of the month. So if I was to get a "box", I would need a 10MBit plan. (for $200) Why the fuck would I do that? BTW- I pay 9.95/month...I got ripped off.

What I dont get is this traffic peaks and such, thats when people have to pay overage? Im not being a wiseass no more, I seriously dont understand this whole thing. Teach me my friend

There is good reason for dedicated boxes - especially where the content flowing thru them mean dollar values. Example.. if your box is generating $3K-$10K+/month, there is a biz judgement that would suggest a dedicated box.

I'm no hosting expert (and hope others will elaborate), but yes, - as a rough rule of thumb your 3200 gigs is 10Mbits.

OK.. basic stuff and simplified... On peaking... say you have a paysite - you need to have enough cable to let an optimum number of members get access at the same time. If 60 members are each downloading a selection of 50 Meg movies concurrently - that's 10 Mbps and no allowance for the activities of other members or possible other domains on that server. Depending on the plan, the cable can be capped or uncapped - the latter is where the host will charge some dollars per extra Mbits used, but allows access to your content during peak periods and without interruption.

With virtual hosting you are sharing a box with others and although you may have a BW usage of eg 1600 gigs (and depending on the box and other factors) your content may be restricted at times - and, who knows, could have been 2000 gigs if hosted on a dedicated box.

There are obviously other factors related to the box, - processor/s, RAM blah. For crucial stuff - I'd go with a dedicated box (and depending how crucial - add colocation). For feeder domains (especially spread over a range of networks) and less crucial elements, virtual hosting can be fine and $10 VH accounts can have a place in the bigger picture.

Overages on an uncapped dedicated box are not that bad depending on the host, (generally from $10 to $65 per Mbit extra, so a matter of shopping around).

Bottom line.. and this is only my

- it has more to do with stability and dollar revenue than much else. It's more a commerical decision having confidence in the host and balancing your hosting over X hosts/networks. If your revenue or traffic is worth is eg $500-$1000+/month off a $10/month VH account - it prob is time to look towards stabilizing that element on a dedicated box, especially if the traffic on that VH account is increasing.

But dammit - your are paying $9.95 on Dreamhost - sheesh - a total ripoff for just 5Mbits

PS We used to pay.. think it was $3000 ish/month for fairly simple dedicated boxes with Class C's about a decade ago - but it's a changed world now

pocketkangaroo · 01-15-2007, 02:03 PM

I had a lot of downtime with Webair when I started. They moved me to another box and I've been fairly happy since.

The problem is that you get what you pay for with hosting. If you're on a shared hosting plan that costs $10, you're going to get shitty hosting. This doesn't matter who you go through. Maybe Webair overloads a little more than others, but it's not uncommons for small plans like that to have a lot of downtime.

If you have something important, don't put it on a shared hosting plan. Get a box with someone like Webair, PhatServers, GotWebHost, or someone else who will be an ICQ or e-mail away to help. Sure it's a little more pricey, but you'll sleep a lot better.

TurboAngel · 01-15-2007, 02:06 PM

I happen to be happy with Webair, I have been there for almost 7 years now.

stev0 · 01-15-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

And just to show what sheep the Webair crew are - Webair recently advertised a European 'Special', with specs like:

Pentium4 2.8
1Gig RAM
5mbps
for $199

I said this was extremely expensive for Europe, since one of Europe's largest providers were offering far better, eg
Dual Opteron dual core
2 GB RAM
100mbps
for the same price

and I was shouted down for being a troll. Sure, it was a bit of a hijack, but I didn't mention the hosting company and was just trying to point out what level European hosting was at and for what price.

I call bullshit... $200 for 100mbps? They'd be loosing money.

Klen · 01-15-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0

I call bullshit... $200 for 100mbps? They'd be loosing money.

That is probaly port speed not bandwith speed.

borked · 01-15-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

That is probaly port speed not bandwith speed.

port speed is Gbs, bandwidth is 100Mbs

http://www.ovh.com/fr/produits/mgplus.xml

Barefootsies · 01-15-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

virtual accounts have a LOT of uses, sometimes a little is all that is needed....and fact remains, whether you think people should have good service on a virtual account (which obviously you don't) or not, they shouldn't offer virtual accounts if they can't maintain them and keep them online

I have virtual accounts at at least 15 hosts, and webair was the ONLY one that couldn't stay online

EXCELLENT POINT AND POST

Barefootsies · 01-15-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jackprintsnow

Pete shut the fuck up... you don't have 10-15 dedicated servers on webair.. maybe your parents have 10-15 dedicated servers on webair.. and you just control them.

and btw.. what the fuck is 10-15 servers? you don't even know how many servers you have over there? way to stay on the ball champ

Wagerboy · 01-15-2007, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

There is good reason for dedicated boxes - especially where the content flowing thru them mean dollar values. Example.. if your box is generating $3K-$10K+/month, there is a biz judgement that would suggest a dedicated box.

I'm no hosting expert (and hope others will elaborate), but yes, - as a rough rule of thumb your 3200 gigs is 10Mbits.

OK.. basic stuff and simplified... On peaking... say you have a paysite - you need to have enough cable to let an optimum number of members get access at the same time. If 60 members are each downloading a selection of 50 Meg movies concurrently - that's 10 Mbps and no allowance for the activities of other members or possible other domains on that server. Depending on the plan, the cable can be capped or uncapped - the latter is where the host will charge some dollars per extra Mbits used, but allows access to your content during peak periods and without interruption.

With virtual hosting you are sharing a box with others and although you may have a BW usage of eg 1600 gigs (and depending on the box and other factors) your content may be restricted at times - and, who knows, could have been 2000 gigs if hosted on a dedicated box.

There are obviously other factors related to the box, - processor/s, RAM blah. For crucial stuff - I'd go with a dedicated box (and depending how crucial - add colocation). For feeder domains (especially spread over a range of networks) and less crucial elements, virtual hosting can be fine and $10 VH accounts can have a place in the bigger picture.

Overages on an uncapped dedicated box are not that bad depending on the host, (generally from $10 to $65 per Mbit extra, so a matter of shopping around).

Bottom line.. and this is only my

- it has more to do with stability and dollar revenue than much else. It's more a commerical decision having confidence in the host and balancing your hosting over X hosts/networks. If your revenue or traffic is worth is eg $500-$1000+/month off a $10/month VH account - it prob is time to look towards stabilizing that element on a dedicated box, especially if the traffic on that VH account is increasing.

But dammit - your are paying $9.95 on Dreamhost - sheesh - a total ripoff for just 5Mbits

PS We used to pay.. think it was $3000 ish/month for fairly simple dedicated boxes with Class C's about a decade ago - but it's a changed world now

Thanks alot for taking the time to type all that and explain it to me...I think I understand it pretty well now. The problem is, I'm not making 10K a month, so I figure I probably dont need that type of set up...With any luck, I'll get there one day and will need your help choosing a "box"

So you think Im safe with my 9.95 plan running 16 sites on it? I pull down about $23.73 a month...-$9.95, thats all profit, baby

Webby · 01-15-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagerboy

Thanks alot for taking the time to type all that and explain it to me...I think I understand it pretty well now. The problem is, I'm not making 10K a month, so I figure I probably dont need that type of set up...With any luck, I'll get there one day and will need your help choosing a "box"

So you think Im safe with my 9.95 plan running 16 sites on it? I pull down about $23.73 a month...-$9.95, thats all profit, baby

Hehe... I'd be twitching on the stability of a Dreamhost account pumping 1600 gigs, but worth every dime. Damn you are beating all barriers with that $23.73/month revenue - I'm still hoping to do $9.95

Just noticed a dreamhost test account we have and hardly use - the BW deal on that is over 2500 gigs and increasing monthly - they are offering it, so hell

Wagerboy · 01-15-2007, 03:59 PM

I got to be honest, its not as bad as everyone says it is...Only bad thing is no .shtml, only .php (they cant figure it out) but no biggie. Also cant seem to get a mpg script to run on it and no php implodes for security reasons..But what I do, its a "dream"

Paparazzi · 01-16-2007, 05:10 PM

update:
Mike contacted me on icq and promised to refund me and offered me a dedicated server for the price I paid for the virtual plan under 6 months if I wanted

Thanks!

01-15-2007, 03:59 PM	#61
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01-15-2007, 02:03 PM	#52
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I had a lot of downtime with Webair when I started. They moved me to another box and I've been fairly happy since. The problem is that you get what you pay for with hosting. If you're on a shared hosting plan that costs $10, you're going to get shitty hosting. This doesn't matter who you go through. Maybe Webair overloads a little more than others, but it's not uncommons for small plans like that to have a lot of downtime. If you have something important, don't put it on a shared hosting plan. Get a box with someone like Webair, PhatServers, GotWebHost, or someone else who will be an ICQ or e-mail away to help. Sure it's a little more pricey, but you'll sleep a lot better.

01-15-2007, 02:06 PM	#53
TurboAngel H.B.I.C. Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NC Posts: 30,122	I happen to be happy with Webair, I have been there for almost 7 years now.

01-16-2007, 05:10 PM	#62
Paparazzi Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,488	update: Mike contacted me on icq and promised to refund me and offered me a dedicated server for the price I paid for the virtual plan under 6 months if I wanted Thanks!