Non Smoking Law In Vegas...WTF? - GoFuckYourself.com

MikeHawk · 01-18-2007, 06:06 PM

So the non smoking new law went into effect Jan 1...so as you can see it did not stop us... Its Vegas...what is the world coming to.....

MrChips · 01-18-2007, 06:09 PM

Smokin

darnit · 01-18-2007, 06:12 PM

No smoking in Vegas???? Even in the casinos?

dynastoned · 01-18-2007, 06:14 PM

haha i smoked everywhere i went, wasn't asked to put anything out the entire time.

MikeHawk · 01-18-2007, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darnit

No smoking in Vegas???? Even in the casinos?

Casinos only, but upstairs foundation room, no, only can smoke at certain times and certain places....hate being told what to do.....

96ukssob · 01-18-2007, 06:15 PM

sucks for sure. but it is only in public areas like lobbies and shops, so I can kindn of see it. you can still smoke at the bars and casinos tho

madawgz · 01-18-2007, 06:16 PM

no smoking in VEGAS?!?! what the fuck

4Man · 01-18-2007, 06:31 PM

That is bad..........

Mr Pheer · 01-18-2007, 06:34 PM

It pretty much just applies to restaurants and shopping areas. Only a few areas in the casinos are affected.

As much as you have a right to smoke, other people have a right not to breathe the 2nd hand smoke if they dont want to. Nobody is saying you cant smoke, you just cant smoke in certain areas. Doesnt sound that harsh to me.

I believe there is a town in California where its illegal to smoke anywhere... Calabassas I think.

wdsguy · 01-18-2007, 06:34 PM

damn right its about time. way to go vegas!

NETbilling · 01-18-2007, 06:36 PM

Light em up! Thanks for the cigar party. It was greeat.

Mitch

SilvercashJeanette · 01-18-2007, 06:37 PM

Yeah, that part kinda sucked. It was either walk all the way to the casino and smoke, or light up outside in the freezing cold. Lol I choose the casino. Lmao My legs are killing me. But Mr. Pheer does have a very good point.

wyldworx · 01-18-2007, 06:38 PM

The same is happening here, it is all to do with giving the quality of life that is sought.

Spunky · 01-18-2007, 06:40 PM

It's been like that around here for years..I'm just waiting until they make smoking in your own car illegal

SCOOTER · 01-18-2007, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeHawk

So the non smoking new law went into effect Jan 1...so as you can see it did not stop us... Its Vegas...what is the world coming to.....

Rock on Mike!!!

Kimo · 01-18-2007, 06:43 PM

of all places that is crazy they passed the law in Vegas...

MikeHawk · 01-18-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wdsguy

damn right its about time. way to go vegas!

FAG......

lol

j/k

Since Vegas was built was all about doing what ever you wanted, "sin city" ... losing that luster, those who dont like smoke....Dont Go!.....

MrChips · 01-18-2007, 07:05 PM

http://natalie.adultbouncerhost.com/...=28890&ptype=R

One I found - smokin in stocks

(not mine - just saw it on a tgp).

Mr Pheer · 01-18-2007, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeHawk

Since Vegas was built was all about doing what ever you wanted, "sin city" ... losing that luster, those who dont like smoke....Dont Go!.....

there is one and a half million people living here... should they all move?

seriously man, dont you think its a little selfish to be complaining that you cant smoke in just a few areas?

Mr Pheer · 01-18-2007, 07:12 PM

by the way... this law was voted on by the registered voters of Nevada. Its not just an ordinance enacted by the Governor of Nevada or the Mayor of Las Vegas. Its just how things work in a democratic society.

bareskin · 01-18-2007, 07:15 PM

I think Bush had something to do with it

EBORG9 · 01-18-2007, 07:20 PM

But the part of that, that you dont see, is a lot aof bars are having to make the decision of having smoking for their gamers, or having food, and not letting their gamers smoke.
Poker machines bring in more than the kitchen, so, most bars that couldn't get an exclusion, just closed the kitchen..putting about 20% of the local bar industry out of work, and serverly crippling the income of most Grave Yard Bartenders.
It may have been a long time coming but punishing bars that are 21 and over anyway, under the pretense of protecting children from 2nd hand smoke, is just wrong, and it put a lot of people out of work.

especially from 12am to 8 am. If you are out that late, you get what you get, screw you.

I shouldn't have to put mine out at 5 am...who the fuck is out at 5am except for smokers?

EBORG9 · 01-18-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

there is one and a half million people living here... should they all move?

seriously man, dont you think its a little selfish to be complaining that you cant smoke in just a few areas?

There are 2 and a half million people here!!
My town can beat up your town , now. Oh you are in my town, well my town can beat up their town.

free4porn · 01-18-2007, 07:24 PM

all i can say is...rock on!

MikeHawk · 01-18-2007, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

there is one and a half million people living here... should they all move?

seriously man, dont you think its a little selfish to be complaining that you cant smoke in just a few areas?

Well i agree and i dont, if you look at the town of Las Vegas, it was built by those who travel there to deposit money into the your banks....lol

Those who travel to Las Vegas go there for a few reasons to gamble cut loose and live a life on the edge for the time we are there, its Vegas ...that's what Vegas used to be.

I spoke to a number of people working there that see a decline in business, but what ever change is here, and we have to deal with it...it just sucks, been going there since i was a small kid, and it was all part of the Vegas experience...

DWB · 01-18-2007, 07:41 PM

Good. Every building in every city should have a dedicated smoking area.

Smoke away, but please keep it away from the people who don't want to be around it.

Mr Pheer · 01-18-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeHawk

I spoke to a number of people working there that see a decline in business, but what ever change is here, and we have to deal with it...it just sucks, been going there since i was a small kid, and it was all part of the Vegas experience...

Tourism here keeps growing. Plus its the slowest time of the year. The decline in business they are seeing at the moment will pick back up soon.

I dont smoke, and I dont really care if others smoke as long as they arent sitting at my dinner table and blowing smoke in my face. If I go to a bar or casino, I expect to be around people that are smoking. I didnt really understand either of the 2 laws that were on the ballot so I didnt vote for or against either one. One passed, one didnt. The one that didnt pass would have resticted smoking much more than it is now I believe, cant remember the exact details though.

EBORG9 · 01-18-2007, 07:47 PM

Yes, it was very confusing, and it worked to their advantage. I think that was the plan all along, confuse the voter.
even when I walked in to vote, I made a call to one of my freinds at PT's to ask which one I should vote for, to keep smoking in bars, ...he told me and I still don't know if i voted for the right one.

DWB · 01-18-2007, 07:49 PM

For what it's worth, in Kentucky where my USA home is... it's 100% full on smoking. hahaha.

Sucks when I go out to eat because even the few seats that are reserved for non-smokers, is right next to the smokers and I'm pretty sure everyone in KY smokes, so it really doesn't matter where you sit.

:-(

Smokers will win the battle in Kentucky. It's the tobacco state!

Hell House Vic · 01-18-2007, 07:50 PM

all i know is my suitcase smells like a pack of marlboroghs. i'm too used to cali.

TSGlider · 01-18-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EBORG9

But the part of that, that you dont see, is a lot aof bars are having to make the decision of having smoking for their gamers, or having food, and not letting their gamers smoke.
Poker machines bring in more than the kitchen, so, most bars that couldn't get an exclusion, just closed the kitchen..putting about 20% of the local bar industry out of work, and serverly crippling the income of most Grave Yard Bartenders.
It may have been a long time coming but punishing bars that are 21 and over anyway, under the pretense of protecting children from 2nd hand smoke, is just wrong, and it put a lot of people out of work.

especially from 12am to 8 am. If you are out that late, you get what you get, screw you.

I shouldn't have to put mine out at 5 am...who the fuck is out at 5am except for smokers?

When the law passed where I'm at it put a lot of bars out of business. People just stopped going to them. It's cold here for months and months and people figured, "Fuck it. I'm going to go to a bar, pay $5 a beer and have to step out into the cold for smoke? Don't think so."

That said, I thought these laws were passed to protect the employees? Unsafe work environment, etc. etc.

Unfortunately, I think the days of smoking indoors anywhere but home are numbered, and that's everywhere in the U.S.

If there is proof that second hand smoke causes lung cancer, all it takes is one lawsuit from one waitress with emphyzema to knock over the rest of the dominoes.

Twisted Dave · 01-18-2007, 08:21 PM

Quit smoking those disgusting cancer sticks and you'll not have to worry!!! :D hehe

MBS Auto · 01-18-2007, 08:24 PM

hmm.... seriously Vegas is begining to SUCK!!!!!!!!

RawAlex · 01-18-2007, 08:34 PM

What smokers don't realize is that the tide is coming up, and you all are going to be under water soon. More and more places are banning smoking in public areas, and because of potential liability issues, even apartment landlords are attempting to ban it within rental buildings.

Give it another 5 years, and there will not be very many places left to smoke at all.

reynold · 01-18-2007, 08:35 PM

You sure know how to have fun! :D

Sosa · 01-18-2007, 09:28 PM

I like non-smoking places. I wish more of them would do it.

Himuro · 01-18-2007, 09:58 PM

smoking is not good for you

MikeHawk · 01-18-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

What smokers don't realize is that the tide is coming up, and you all are going to be under water soon. More and more places are banning smoking in public areas, and because of potential liability issues, even apartment landlords are attempting to ban it within rental buildings.

Give it another 5 years, and there will not be very many places left to smoke at all.

As you say this sitting in your home....lol....i would be willing to wager you never made it to Las Vegas....lol

Or here is a better question: Have you ever been to Las Vegas?....lol

starpimps · 01-18-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

It's been like that around here for years..I'm just waiting until they make smoking in your own car illegal

Z · 01-18-2007, 11:16 PM

A smoking ban in Vegas is like a condom ban in Bangkok.

Fuck the bureaucrats

MikeHawk · 01-18-2007, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twisted Illustration

Quit smoking those disgusting cancer sticks and you'll not have to worry!!! :D hehe

We are not talking about ciggs ...i agree with those being cut out, i am talking about very expensive cuban cigars ....similar to a fine bottle of wine.

i am a father with a young child, would i take her to Vegas...NO...

Vegas is not for children....its for adults....consenting adults....this is what happens when voters get there hands on things...lol...i liked Vegas much better when the mob ran it, simple ...and amazing!

Next thing that "they" will be telling us is where we can sit or look etc...i just fucking hate being told what to do no matter what it is....fuck it....and fuck them...lol

RawAlex · 01-19-2007, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeHawk

As you say this sitting in your home....lol....i would be willing to wager you never made it to Las Vegas....lol

Or here is a better question: Have you ever been to Las Vegas?....lol

You wouldn't know... I have made more trips to Vegas in the last 10 years that I wish I had (not for gambling reasons). I can pick you up and drive you around Vegas, North Vegas, and so on... without the map. I have flown to Vegas, driven to Vegas, driven through Vegas, been part of running shows in Vegas... and so on.

Anyway, it's not important, except to say you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

RawAlex · 01-19-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeHawk

Next thing that "they" will be telling us is where we can sit or look etc...i just fucking hate being told what to do no matter what it is....fuck it....and fuck them...lol

Mike, I don't like YOU telling me I have to inhale your second hard smoke, without an option. Employees in the Casinos and bars have been forced for years to deal with your second hand smoke if they like it or not. Their choice is simple: Stay here, suck down the smoke and keep your job, or join the unemployment line. Die early from second hand smoke, or die early on the streets because you can't keep a job.

So kind of you to offer everyone a choice.

tony286 · 01-19-2007, 12:24 AM

you guys should send that pic to cigar aficionado
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...4,1703,00.html

Martina Warren · 01-19-2007, 12:29 AM

Sucks for sure !!! I was so excited about being in vegas and being able to smoke anywhere, no longer the factor ;-(

Martina Warren · 01-19-2007, 12:29 AM

Double post!

spasmo · 01-19-2007, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Mike, I don't like YOU telling me I have to inhale your second hard smoke, without an option. Employees in the Casinos and bars have been forced for years to deal with your second hand smoke if they like it or not. Their choice is simple: Stay here, suck down the smoke and keep your job, or join the unemployment line. Die early from second hand smoke, or die early on the streets because you can't keep a job.

So kind of you to offer everyone a choice.

The majority of these people chose to move to Vegas, a place where people are smoking no matter where you go.

This reminds me of the people that built houses near the airport here that are now suing because it's too noisy.

MikeHawk · 01-19-2007, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Mike, I don't like YOU telling me I have to inhale your second hard smoke, without an option. Employees in the Casinos and bars have been forced for years to deal with your second hand smoke if they like it or not. Their choice is simple: Stay here, suck down the smoke and keep your job, or join the unemployment line. Die early from second hand smoke, or die early on the streets because you can't keep a job.

So kind of you to offer everyone a choice.

RawAlex...you bring up a good point.... i think maybe a non smoking section for gambling, they had non smoking tables at one point. But since i was a kid there has been smoke in Vegas, there is another side to "loss" of money by workers, lot of jobs got cut out because of this new rule, i had one casino host breaking it down for me, i will see if i can google that info and snap it up here....

But there is two sides, and i am sure it will all be worked out, i just on a personal level hate being told what to do and where to do it....

flashfire · 01-19-2007, 01:49 AM

good, I hate smoke thats the one thing I didnt like about vegas

go outside if you wanna kill yourself

noblice · 01-19-2007, 02:03 AM

01-18-2007, 06:06 PM	#1
MikeHawk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In bed with Harley Girl....Not sleepin Posts: 6,683	Non Smoking Law In Vegas...WTF? So the non smoking new law went into effect Jan 1...so as you can see it did not stop us... Its Vegas...what is the world coming to..... __________________ THE AMBUSH INTERVIEW

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01-18-2007, 06:34 PM	#9
Mr Pheer Living inside your head. Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In your AirBNB Posts: 20,496	It pretty much just applies to restaurants and shopping areas. Only a few areas in the casinos are affected. As much as you have a right to smoke, other people have a right not to breathe the 2nd hand smoke if they dont want to. Nobody is saying you cant smoke, you just cant smoke in certain areas. Doesnt sound that harsh to me. I believe there is a town in California where its illegal to smoke anywhere... Calabassas I think. Last edited by Mr Pheer; 01-18-2007 at 06:35 PM..

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Mr Pheer Living inside your head. Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In your AirBNB Posts: 20,496	by the way... this law was voted on by the registered voters of Nevada. Its not just an ordinance enacted by the Governor of Nevada or the Mayor of Las Vegas. Its just how things work in a democratic society.

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EBORG9 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,823	But the part of that, that you dont see, is a lot aof bars are having to make the decision of having smoking for their gamers, or having food, and not letting their gamers smoke. Poker machines bring in more than the kitchen, so, most bars that couldn't get an exclusion, just closed the kitchen..putting about 20% of the local bar industry out of work, and serverly crippling the income of most Grave Yard Bartenders. It may have been a long time coming but punishing bars that are 21 and over anyway, under the pretense of protecting children from 2nd hand smoke, is just wrong, and it put a lot of people out of work. especially from 12am to 8 am. If you are out that late, you get what you get, screw you. I shouldn't have to put mine out at 5 am...who the fuck is out at 5am except for smokers? Last edited by EBORG9; 01-18-2007 at 07:22 PM..

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Good. Every building in every city should have a dedicated smoking area. Smoke away, but please keep it away from the people who don't want to be around it.

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EBORG9 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,823	Yes, it was very confusing, and it worked to their advantage. I think that was the plan all along, confuse the voter. even when I walked in to vote, I made a call to one of my freinds at PT's to ask which one I should vote for, to keep smoking in bars, ...he told me and I still don't know if i voted for the right one.

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	For what it's worth, in Kentucky where my USA home is... it's 100% full on smoking. hahaha. Sucks when I go out to eat because even the few seats that are reserved for non-smokers, is right next to the smokers and I'm pretty sure everyone in KY smokes, so it really doesn't matter where you sit. :-( Smokers will win the battle in Kentucky. It's the tobacco state!

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