fabianb

(1) Why would anyone be against '.xxx' ?
If you don't like you don't buy.
.tv is expensive is well, still people buy.
.mobi is a joke still people buy the domains

(2) If you want to block access for kids simply buy vista, built in feature to allow X amount of sites for user Y

->

Major (Tom)

This aint news mike.. his organization the asacp gets 1-10 dollars per domain. I think it's 1 dollar, but dont quote me. This is why I called out tom hymes. hes talking out of both sides of his mouth like Ike from south park.
How can you be against something when the person signing your check is for it. If you look back at a few mergers recently and hymes going to xbiz, it starts to make sense. At least from a Ducovnian perspective.
Duke

__________________
My mother said, to get things done
You'd better not mess with Major Tom

Stephen

Nobody has to attend the seminar. Nobody is being forced. For those serious operators that would rather hear the facts from the source, rather than relying on second-hand board gossip and speculation, this is a great chance to clear the air. It's a Q&A session, not an ad for .xxx.

Also, and not to cause more problems for some of you, "the industry" IMHO supports .xxx ? and when I say "the industry" I mean the name-brand players that are actually making money and not the wannabes and small operators ? even though there's tens of thousands of these "little guys" that might be opposed to it, combined, their total revenue likely falls below that of the 'smallest' player behind the scenes.

Peaches

Stephen, you seem to know the "big names" who are behind .xxx. Could you share that information? That way, those who are against it can deal directly with them. If someone's 100% against .xxx (and I'm one of them, and like you, wish to have a Plan B in case it goes into effect) and they are promoting a program of someone pushing to get it implemented, I'm sure they'd want to know.

mikesouth

And who appointed your punk ass spokesman for the industry you self aggrandizing little turd?

I think "The Industry" can speak for itself and has on numerous occasions. What i am seeing here is further indication that XBiz is IN FACT supporting the .XXX domain.

I think the advertisers should be well aware of what their money is being spent on.

__________________
Mike South

It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

tony286

I agree with you and if Xbiz is paper of record they should be writing about those people

baddog

Mind explaining why you believe it will be passed?

Webby

Re.. first para.. Painting pictures of the perception of "serious operators" is in your own mind - it's a simplified label. There are no questions and answers where Lawley can help - information on .XXX TLD's is already published - other than the backroom deals and don't expect him to answer these.

Re.. second para. You think? Why on earth would you think that??? News for ya Stephen - this industry is based on everyone in it and not "name-brand players". It is totally irrelevant what these people earn or don't earn - they buy domains and that is as far as the .XXX TLD issue relates to them. Obviously the mass market in domains are assigned to the "average webmaster" or small company and these are the people who are relevent in this issue - not the extreme ends of the scale, "brand name players" or newbie webmasters.

The "average webmaster" is the person who would be filling Lawley and his "associates" pockets - and this has nothing to do with any purported aims of .XXX TLD's, such as concern for children. It's a money grab in it's simplest form.



PS The arrogance is still seeping thru the woodwork

__________________
XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

Pleasurepays

i've said it before... i'll say it again. luke ford was more honest, original and wrote better than those people and he is a fucking idiot by his own admission.

Stephen

"XBIZ" was not told about those people, *I* was, and I promised not to say what I heard; but if you read through my posts on this thread, I did name (or at least hinted about) three of those players ? all three of which are involved with this board in one way or another ? and I don't mean that they're just kids coming by to post.

tony286

A good reporter knows info and outs the bastards, you think they care about you. They would sell you out for 5 bucks lol

Stephen

Because of the people ($$$) behind this initiative and I don't mean Lawley.

I'd tell you what else I know in Hollywood over a gin and tonic, Lloyd, but I sure won't spill the beans here in print at Romper Room. If I did, I'd get banned from this board and have a bunch of people shut me out – and I like the company I keep, so...

I'll see you next week

mikesouth

As it turns out apparently XBiz only THINKS they speak for the adult industry I have been contacted by an organization that is enlisting my help in efforts to stop this before it happens as well as a contingency plan to stop it after the fact if need be.

Thats far more to my liking than allowing Stuart Lawley to tell me exactly how he plans to fuck me

Fuck XBIZ

__________________
Mike South

It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

Stephen

Maybe so, but I'm not a reporter. That's the guys in the news dept.

Stephen

Still a shill for AVN, Mike?

mikesouth

WRONG GUESS Idiot but feel free to keep trying


and I bet Fishbein would beg to differ about my being a shill...

__________________
Mike South

It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

CyberHustler

see my muh fuckin sig bitch

tony286

I dont think you would get banned Lens supporting it wouldn't be no surprise. He post along time ago, a thread like .xxx could be a good thing and got attacked .Then he never bought it up again.

tony286

Mike when was the last time you got a flaming call from Fish not that long ago if I remember correctly lol The difference is Stephen, Avn probably doesnt love Mike but has respect for the audience Mike reaches because in the porn world its a very big one.

jayeff

That is the most patronizing garbage I have yet seen from anyone on either side of this "debate". If the people behind XXX, proponents or supporters, had the slightest interest in communicating with the industry at large, they would not restrict their output (the value of which remains to be seen) to a seminar at a trade show.

That statement is again patronizing and also accurate, but were it neither of those things, what comfort should we take from it? Most of those you refer to as "the industry" will be gone within 10 years, as inertia proves to be ultimately more powerful than momentum. It is typical of many to whom this applies, that they would support something which is of short-term benefit to a few, regardless of the long-term damage it may cause everyone.

You are a fool if you believe the landscape of this industry will not change, because the landscape of every industry constantly changes. Business history is littered with once-major companies which ignored that and believed they were strong enough to make their own rules. Among those you so sneeringly refer to as "little guys" may be some of those who replace those who still believe we are in the 1990's. You had better hope they have short memories...

Webby

Was there a loveaffair that went wrong Mike?

Sure.. agree - XBiz is another operation run for a profit by Helmy - it has nothing to do with speaking for the adult industry, most of whom have only had a fleeting glimpse, if that, of XBiz.

It is obvious, as in most things, where there is a dime to be screwed, there will be a queue of takers waiting to line their pockets at any cost - including using kids as an excuse to do it.

Slippery would be an understatement.... greedy bastards.

__________________
XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

Mutt

you call yourself and XBiz some form of journalists/journalism while at the same time YOU claim to have information, to quote you 'names and details', as to who is behind the .XXX 'deal', implying that we would be shocked by their identities. and you haven't taken this information and tried your best to find more more sources and publish this story? pretty shocking and pathetic i think.

__________________

polish_aristocrat

Ok so it's been suggested that the "biggest money makers" including possibly Lensman (or even Playboy?) support .xxx

would be funny if Playboy supported .xxx and Hustler opposed

as for Lensman, he made a thread one year ago which seemed finding some good points about .xxx (give us a seperate domain and stop the prosecutions) but is that really a true, well thought off position of him and all the "biggest players"?

It's hard for me to jugde Lensman or anyone else on that level... but a believe that having .xxx will actually solve such problems seems a little naive to me... not to mention that if this .xxx gets in fact approved, it will probably have a marginal impact and market share at the very beginning... I don't see Playboy changing from Playboy.com to playboy.xxx immediately on their own, I don't see the RealityCash paysites changing names etc...

the main risk in .xxx in the risk of it becoming mandatory (either the govermnent or f.e the credit card processing companies could switch porn from .com to .xxx) and yes, it would change the adult scene... but at the same time it would put everyone in this biz at risk of losing huge traffic, because of being filtered by default by browsers, ISP's etc...

I still see no advantages of having .xxx for anyone (other than an organisation like ASACP getting a share of each domain(?)...but well, Lensman is not ASACP)

Somoene also said .xxx will kiill the affiliate biz but that arguments doesnt make much sense.... the affiliate biz got even stronger recently with companies like Realitycash offering free content and free hosting to every n00b who can send 1 sale daily....

arhh just some thoughts... I don't have access to the insider info anyway

__________________
I don't use ICQ anymore.

Stephen

Yes, the "main risk" is that it becomes mandatory.

Of course, the only way it will "work" is if it does.

Not "everyone" ? as I understand it, the traffic deals were made two years ago. Some of you keep screaming about the money; why not look at the traffic? Then you'll know what's really going on behind the scenes...

tony286

But Stephen that is so dumb that they cant realize if it becomes law say good bye to at work and college traffic( at work is when alot of people sign up). We are not even talking about a couple of isp's shutting it off and who is going to complain no one. There is going to be alot less traffic to be had.

seeric

oh my what a shit storm. this is nothing. wait till it all goes through.

this board will be unbearable as will others as it comes out who is for and against .xxx

my oh my.

i can't wait. thank god i got my other foot firmly planted in mainstream finance and so forth, if it gets too whacky and it holds me back from making money i'll tell everyone to fuck off and work from home.



i can't wait for this show.

tony286

Your smart same with me, my old headhunting boss would love to be partners with me and for me to go back to headhunting since now the dotcom bullshit has gone away and real money can be made again. I hope adult still works if not its dialing for dollars lol

Stephen

Um. Without going into details, I will tell you for a fact that as soon as something like that happens, the "complaint" will be filed in court and there are parties just waiting for it to happen. I know one guy with a great legal team just hoping that McAffee or sumtin' will block .xxx by default...

As I said before, the question is "what do we do next to make money?"
? a question that has many answers, including "initiate a class action suit"

This is chess, not checkers

seeric

Well, since people are stealing pieces off the board before the game it may be harder to do that than it appears. Chess is a game of honor and integrity. Something this industry knows little about.

tony286

Man your in the know, they will go to court and they will lose. Your boy W has been putting in a ton of right wing judges dont ya read the papers , for this is going to come to roost.

tony286

good point , man I wish I got to meet you in a tampa your a cool dude.

tony286

I have to say this,
First Stephen you know I think your a good guy with a very hot wife I might add but I have to say for someone against it .You seem to know a awful lot about traffics deals and plans for court battles. Makes a person go hmmmm

Mr. Jim

Excellent volley of opinion.

One comment I want to make which is soemthing that really chooses no side.

If this happens you can sit and cry or figure out how to adapt. At the end of the day we are not talking about elected officials who are being paid to represent the people( I speak of the mystery backers)and as it has been mentioned in this thread business landscapes do change. Yes often times big companies are slow to move and tend to try and skew the playing field to benefit themselves... welcome to big money business. Compnay owners are goin gto do what they can to achieve, maintain, and broaden a competitive advantage.

I have no idea who is for what and really it does not matter to me. I think this IS about making money. I also think there is a very real effort to seize the opportunity and shrink the competition in the market.

Would you really expect anything less?

I am not posting to lock horns with anyone...I do think it is just a reality of business. I see it from both sides. If I had a chance to corner more of the market I would not hesitate. If I was in the position of being a smaller operation I would be furious to be at the mercy of big money, sweetheart deals, and an agenda that will never truly be out on the table.

It will be interesting to see which way this swings... I for one think it will stall in D.C.

seeric

Yep, business is business. You either fuck people to get ahead or you get fucked so someone else can get ahead. There are NO friends in this business. Sad but true.

Glad I make slightly less and can sleep at night. Enjoy your ferarris and your fake friends.

Nice take Jim.

tony286

I dont see money making opportunities out of this unless I was a partner at the ICM . If it happens its going to cost me alot of money for zippo return not good business but I have no choice if I want to stay in adult. The big thing is and I spoke about this in my letter to icann. Iffor is a big part of this and it doesnt even exsist yet. They will make policy and we only have one vote on that board. What if the icm thinks they can control iffor and iffor gets awat from them. That can happen they go to the press we want to protect kids and icm wont let us like they promised. The painful scenarios are endless, I think everyone is blinded but the thought of possible money and commonsense has gone out the window.
Also if this is the world of business,we should know who the people behind this are, so when things go to shit .We will know who to target for the class action suits.

Pleasurepays

funny watching people trying to create drama about this issue and who supports it and at the same time, avoiding the obvious and discussing the fact that the owner of this forum announced that he fully supports it.

you people are complete and total pussies without conviction. thats why the government can stop you.

tony286

How? who is going to be against it no one, its a easy political battle they can win .We voted to clean up the net, its a great election bullet point. Come on now think.

Jace

I am pretty loud against .xxx, and I vow to you HERE AND NOW, that not one single .xxx will be included in my domain portfolio, EVER

Jace

ding ding ding

we have a winner

seeric

Its no secret that we all know Lens is in favor. At least he has the BALLS to say so.

I actually respect him for that.

Webby

Never say never Jace

The goal posts can change in the future and be nothing like what is envisaged right now. But sure - agree, and same here. Got no desire to change/buy domains or fill the pockets of swamplife by purchasing overpriced domains.

On the concerns over the "adult biz ghetto" and the dangers they may pose - easier said than done to "censor" TLD extensions, but bet ya if it does ever happen - a US admin will be the first to try it. Nobody else gives a shit and several nations have already opposed it.

Who knows, but smell the whole concept and selling of this idea was generated specifically to target approval by the "establishment" and as something which would appeal to "our higher moral values" - and "needs" to be done during the reign of the current admin. Ironically, that support does not appear to be strong ;-)

Then there is the future of ICANN itself - another sore point which will inevitably come to a head in the next three years...

__________________
XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

Jace

mike a shill for AVN???? HAHAHAHAHHAA

where out of your ass did you pull that one?

Jace

I can honestly say that I will never own a .xxx, period...if it comes down to me having to move all my operations onto .xxx and abandon my .com's, I will sell everything and move fully into mainstream...period....

I am not scared of .xxx, I love the .xxx domain in fact, I think it would be cool to have ilovemy.xxx and getsome.xxx, BUT what scares me is what happens when 4 years from the introduction of .xxx I, and millions of others, jump on the .xxx bandwagon and all the sudden the government makes it mandatory that all porn has to be on .xxx? THAT is what scares me, all porn being on one TLD...it shouldn't happen, and it can't happen, but it possibly might happen

Webby

Agree - That is prob the main concern Jace. There are too many idiots with agenda's hanging around - some wanting to line their pockets and other wannabees on a political bandwagon in the future. It's all about "self" and greed.

ICANN will eventually pass over into international hands and be "democratic", but like all "organizations", they can become a problem as much as any individual government, - tho seriously doubt Lawley would have a chance in hell of earning from the .XXX concept if ICANN was operated at an international level right now. International support is just not there and appears to be more "anti" than anything.


PS And this has nothing to do with protecting kids - it's all a money grab and very hypocritical.

__________________
XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

baddog

You should really go read the letters that are being sent in. Very few religious types think .xxx is cleaning up the net.

tony286

I know I read them earlier they just want porn gone lol making it a law is still easy political point.Also it can be the first stop in stopping it .

Mr. Jim

1. Tony stop talking to me like a fucking idiot or I will do the same in return... I do not post anything without thinking. You may choose to save face from that comment but I really wish you would not. I would rather you simply recognize that you could have made the same point without the know it all tag line on the end. I do not have problem with you... nor do I intend to... and if being called out on acting like a bit of a dick when you did not need to is going to get you all worked up than that is on you.

2. I am of the opinion it does not have enough political weight to get politicians to step in front of a microphone or camera and say they are behind anything that has XXX in the name. It is a political firestorm for the opposing side to take advantage of the minute anyone says they are behind anything that might even be twisted into being pro porn... they will be slaughtered. I may be wrong and the day I am I will be the first to admit it.

3.You have your opinion I have mine... I have no idea how this will play out and ... NEITHER DO YOU. I do not intend to change your opinion and I know you will not change mine.

I comment about a sensative topic that you have taken some form of ownership on...and now you come back and try and make me as some moron who just pops off at the fucking mouth without thinking... Some people might let you talk to them like that I will not... beyond who is right or wrong here... you can make an articulate counter point without the back handed remarks.

You got your jab and it was returned in kind so lets leave it at that. Opposing opinions can walk from the table peacefully without the dramatic bullshit.

Major (Tom)

lets say for example it gets passed, and maybe its a leap at this point to say it will become mandatory, but lets say there is at least pressure to use the .xxx tld. Now, if the names are released of who is behind it, which at some point they will be, and, if it were me who was controlling fortunes, and potential fortunes and livelyhoods of others, as these people are, I would live EVERY DAY looking over my shoulders waiting for that one webmaster who lost everything he worked so hard for only to have it taken away by some greedy cowards. I don't think I would be able to sleep one more sound night for the rest of my life.
Duke

__________________
My mother said, to get things done
You'd better not mess with Major Tom

mikesouth

And herein is what has gone awry your description is SOP in the video side and apparently that's where the internet side is headed as well...damn shame it is.

Just say go fuck yourself to XBiz, ICMR and .XXX

__________________
Mike South

It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

sextoyking

2. I am of the opinion it does not have enough political weight to get politicians to step in front of a microphone or camera and say they are behind anything that has XXX in the name. It is a political firestorm for the opposing side to take advantage of the minute anyone says they are behind anything that might even be twisted into being pro porn... they will be slaughtered. I may be wrong and the day I am I will be the first to admit it.
--------

Jim,

Good point there. You will not see any politican from either party support any pro "porn" position, at least not in this decade or so, probably never.

Deep down guys and gals - it's business - plain and simple. When they tried to get icann approval last time and it failed - I was happy but I knew round # 2 was coming.. Too much coin and "control - real estate" to just let it go.

I don't support .xxx in any way shape or form not really because I am worried about others making big biz off of it but because of the 1rst ammed issues and really because I can see what it will bring down the road as far as Gov. regs, more control, easy to put us into a "red light district" (key words there)...

I have seen alot of stuff in this industry since I started - was one of the first adult webmasters, started in 1994 - this could and will be much more of a distraction / hell then 2257 any day...

Religious groups wish we would all dive off the face of the earth - they only don't support .xxx as if it passes it will look to legitimize us....

Stephen - those names you "flicked in" I already knew them, to each his own - my big thing is big brother and the regulation..

Peace

Todd

__________________
ICQ: 52344098
--------------------------------------
50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money